Acausality Type 5 checklist

[ImmortalDread]

Does he have any statements for being changless or unchangeable?

Gasper; it should be implied that he is unchangeable. An “explicit statement” is not needed. It should be understood given by context. Context is key. Sure, we should not imply beyond its context, but someone is becoming the new ruler – void body (described as formless and nonphysical) within the emptiness of the Empty universe, described as beyond causality and time, the laws of world has no place there.

In the last arc, he is the new The Law of Identity with void body beyond causality and time in that universe – everything that remained was emptiness within emptiness. That emptiness did not even contain words.

If it was only described as void, sure. You would get a point, but it was described as beyond causality and time.

 

[ImmortalDread]

@DontTalkDT is there any scans to justify Ichiban’s type 5 Acausality?

Ichiban Ushiro no Daimaou Explanation Page

Ichiban Ushiro no Daimao focuses in its last volumes on a cosmology of first alternate dimensions and then various levels of existence in which the prior level appears as fiction to the former. We will begin by explaining the cosmology of the verse and based on that rank the characters. The...

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It is on the last part of the page (not the computer Gods) – void body Arc

To summarize, in the latest arc 13, he undergoes a transformation into a new Law of Identity. This body (void body) exists outside the bounds of causality and time within the Empty Universe, where only emptiness remains. This emptiness is devoid of any words or concepts. “Void body” is a formless and nonphysical within the vast emptiness of the universe, a realm that transcends the laws governing the world.

 

[Ikelaggan]

I'll eat crow early and ask if bedman's statement on axl's existence is up to snuff.

 

[Theglassman12]

@Milly_Rocking_Bandit I think it’s because it’s the best way to differentiate type 4 or 5. Don’t quote me on this, you might have to ask the folks who revised type 5 but I’m assuming that’s the case? Either that or the original explanation wasn’t clear enough.

@ImmortalDread it does need an explicit statement for it to be solid type 5 though. I’ll check the blog soon, gonna be occupied IRL in a bit.

@Ikelaggan thats half of the requirements, you need an additional statement that says Axl is an unchangeable entity (read the OP a for a more elaborate meaning) as a result of being beyond the laws of cause and effect.

 

[ImmortalDread]

@ImmortalDread it does need an explicit statement for it to be solid type 5 though. I’ll check the blog soon, gonna be occupied IRL in a bit.

So the context does not matter since a void being described as beyond causality and time can be interpreted as unchangeable.

If it's indeed a genuine situation, I might bring up this point in that thread. However, if the information isn't explicitly mentioned on that page, I believe it's unnecessary to provide explicit statements. In my opinion, the context should hold greater importance.

Also, No problem, take care! Take your time and handle your real-life tasks.

 

[Theglassman12]

Yeah reading the blog it doesn't really sound like type 5. Nothing about the text mentions that he becomes an unchangeably entity through this void body.

 

[Ikelaggan]

@Ikelaggan thats half of the requirements, you need an additional statement that says Axl is an unchangeable entity (read the OP a for a more elaborate meaning) as a result of being beyond the laws of cause and effect.

I think it should be related as axl being a unchangeable entity mostly cause of the context in bedman's plans for the absolute world, mainly as axl would be the only real threat that wouldn't be affected by the absolute world but not by virtue of resistances to the backyard but by being above the cause and effect of what it'll do to the world. Otherwise it kinda doesn't make sense for bedman to bring up axl's existence being above cause and effect if axl already had any implied resistances.

 

[Gasper]

If anyone is knowledgeable on Acausality Type 5 please comment on This thread.

 

[Gasper]

@Theglassman12 what do you think about this? This is from Dragon Talisman:

"I have projected the Annulled Null Immortality. That is, everyone has the ability to change the world with a single thought, the ability to break all constraints, but this ability will not interfere with anyone, any space-time, any energy, any consciousness, any cause and effect, any fate, any destiny, any spirit, and any fluctuations. "This is the way of Annulled Null Immortality" Gu Chensha finally said his reasoning.

"This is not possible." The Supreme Ancestor, Lou Baiyue, first said: "Even if all people sit still, as long as they think they will produce cause and effect, it is impossible not to interfere. Even if they do not think, their existence itself will also have an impact on the fateline. Even if all people become stone, it is also a kind of interference. As long as there is existence, there is cause and effect. Even if not, there will be cause and effect.

"This is not impossible, nor is it possible. That's why it's called Annulled Null Immortality." Gu Chensha said: "This way you are not yet able to understand, but I have touched the edge. There is hope to create a whole new situation. I can say for sure, when I reach that realm, I will change the world. At that time, you will not only not lose what you have now, but also gain more." - Chapter 1000"

Also please add Glory of the First Cycle from DC as not qualifying for Acausality type 5.

EDIT: you know what, just add the whole DC on the list cause i found This character as well.

 

[Theglassman12]

@Ikelaggan Do you have any scans regarding the Absolute world altering GG's reality alongside beings like Axl just not being fazed by it? If so then you can make an argument he can qualify for type 5. Though you might need to address some stuff like how normal folks can interact with him as if any normal being can interact with him, it can be an anti-feat unless there's an in universe reason for him being interactable like magic affecting those outside of cause and effect or some shit.

@Gasper Is there a further elaboration on what Chensha says? Cause it could qualify if he explains their nature being unchangeable.

 

[Gasper]

@Ikelaggan Do you have any scans regarding the Absolute world altering GG's reality alongside beings like Axl just not being fazed by it? If so then you can make an argument he can qualify for type 5. Though you might need to address some stuff like how normal folks can interact with him as if any normal being can interact with him, it can be an anti-feat unless there's an in universe reason for him being interactable like magic affecting those outside of cause and effect or some shit.

@Gasper Is there a further elaboration on what Chensha says? Cause it could qualify if he explains their nature being unchangeable.

Not sure.
@Rabbit2002 is the one familiar with the verse.

 

[Ikelaggan]

@Ikelaggan Do you have any scans regarding the Absolute world altering GG's reality alongside beings like Axl just not being fazed by it? If so then you can make an argument he can qualify for type 5.

In bedman's dreams he can cause certain phenomena to occur in the present world but aside from death he can't really apply any lasting effects on reality itself except for in the absolute world where he can superimpose dream and reality on top of each other to bind the effects into reality. Which would definitely effect axl if he wasn't above cause and effect.

Though you might need to address some stuff like how normal folks can interact with him as if any normal being can interact with him, it can be an anti-feat unless there's an in universe reason for him being interactable like magic affecting those outside of cause and effect or some shit.

https://imgur.io/a/BAwiDdW

Now there is magic that allows stuff like master ghosts to come into existence where regular magic won't allow it the authority to exist. Topple that with bedman's absolute defense felion which shouldn't even be possible to use in the backyard without the proper authorization, you can argue magic having a possible negation or interaction to that level of acausality at high enough levels of authority and characters that can scale to that level since bedman even after making the statement about axl's existence he still tells axl that he could easily kill him.

 

[Theglassman12]

So if I'm getting this correct, high level magic would allow reality altering events to occur like the Absolute World, where when it comes to normal magic it can't even affect beings from the Backyard like Masterghosts. I assume Axl's existence is comparable, if not superior to a masterghost, which results in him being unfazed by any reality altering events? If so then I can see this qualifying for type 5 Acausality.

 

[Ikelaggan]

So if I'm getting this correct, high level magic would allow reality altering events to occur like the Absolute World, where when it comes to normal magic it can't even affect beings from the Backyard like Masterghosts. I assume Axl's existence is comparable, if not superior to a masterghost, which results in him being unfazed by any reality altering events? If so then I can see this qualifying for type 5 Acausality.

Yes, and I'm definitely keeping this as key notes for a future masterghost user and magic page for verse specific powers in GG.

 

[Rabbit2002]

@Gasper Is there a further elaboration on what Chensha says? Cause it could qualify if he explains their nature being unchangeable.

It has been accepted by Everything12 as Acausality type 5, additionally the author has used the same concept in his next novel with a clearer explanation (not the main point, but it could be support point)

“你的一生命运，越是后来，越为离奇。但似乎永远不会有任何危险。”苏劫道：“你的命运有一种扭曲的弧度，到达后来，似乎就消失了，但又不是绝对的消失，而是一种隐藏和隐匿，不沾任何因果。不惹尘埃，似乎是一个旁观者，在看待万事万物，万事万物，似乎也和你没有任何关系，可是你的影响力，却渗透到达万事万物之中。就如天上的日月星辰，时时刻刻光照大地上的众生，众生都可以看到光芒，感受光芒。但是众生的因果，和日月星辰没有任何关系，众生在，日月星辰之光也在，众生不在，日月星辰之光还是在，你时时刻刻能影响众生，但众生却影响不了你，菩萨都为众生低眉。看来你的境界早就超过了菩萨。”
Your fate has a distorted arc. After arriving, it seems to disappear, but it is not an absolute disappearance, but a kind of hiding and concealment, without any cause and effect. Do not stir up dust, it seems to be a bystander, looking at everything, everything, it seems that it has nothing to do with you, but your influence penetrates into everything. Just like the sun, moon and stars in the sky, they illuminate all living beings on the earth all the time, and all living beings can see and feel the light. But the cause and effect of all beings has nothing to do with the sun, moon, and stars. When all beings exist, the light of the sun, moon, and stars is also there. When all beings are absent, the light of the sun, moon, and stars is still there. You can affect all beings at any moment, but all beings cannot affect you. Bodhisattvas bow their eyebrows for all living beings. It seems that your realm has long surpassed that of a Bodhisattva

 

[Theglassman12]

Looks like a supporting evidence with the uninteractible stuff, though the unchangeable nature needs to be specified to count.

 

[Rabbit2002]

Looks like a supporting evidence with the uninteractible stuff, though the unchangeable nature needs to be specified to count.

Well, the verse itself has an ontological hierarchy. The first is the Empyrean Dao, it is the whole of reality itself, everything that has happened, is happening and will happen, even everything that does not exist will be under its authority and a part of it.

Causality Manipulation (At the Empyrean Dao realm, all space and time, all existence, all power, all cause and effect, all laws, all fate, all the inconceivable, unfathomable, unpredictable, and unmeasurable existence of the world are under their control, controlling the karma of all living beings[417] (raw[418]), create the fates of all living beings, to twist the fates of all living beings at will, to crush the fates of all living beings[419] (raw[420]) and can control life and death[421] (raw[422])).

The Governing concept/system of the series. It is the true origin of all. It is essentially the cosmology itself and has a will. space, time, all living beings, all things[17] (raw[18]), is the will of primordial chaos, life and death[19] (raw[20]). Even the creation of reality from primal chaos was by it's doing[21] (raw[22])). Additionally, it is in control of it's aspects; "all space and time, all existence, all power, all cause and effect, all laws, all fate, all the inconceivable, unfathomable, unpredictable, and unmeasurable existence of the world".

The Heavenly Dao controlled all things. Everything that existed and did not exist, what happened in the past, what was happening now, and what would happen in the future were all controlled by the Heavenly Dao. - Chapter 880
天道掌握万物万象,一切存在的和不存在的,过去发生的,现在正在发生的,将来会发生法一切都在天道的掌控之中。- Chapter 880

Next is Null Immortality, as described this is the level at which you can literally change any cause, effect, structure, destiny or reality at will while transcending the Empyrean Dao, dimensions and time to the extent that the entire Multiverse is destroyed, they are still eternal existence. As well as countless proofs of Independence and transcendence, making them impervious/unaffected to all of reality or cause and effect, fate or experiencing anything but "Eternity" and "Freedom"

And Annulled Null Immortality is simply so completely transcending Null Immortality in every respect that it is completely impossible to perceive and imagine, let alone touch or change.

Once you reach the Null Immortality Realm, you can create the world at will, distort any cause and effect or fate, change any laws in the world, and do whatever you want. You can change the world into whatever you want. You can even make the entire world disappear with a single thought, turning it into a flat world. All living beings in the world as flat, turn the world into a purgatory, where all living beings are devils, or turn the world into an immortal realm, all living beings into gods... The tenth level of immortality is the realm of Annulled Immortality that cannot be imagined. - Chapter 1000
不说不朽第十层,哪怕是不朽第九层也不是那么容易达到的,到达了不朽第九层无不朽之境界,就可以随意缔造天地,扭曲扩大任何因果命运,改变世界任何规则,随心所欲,想世界变成什么样子,就变成什么样子,甚至他可以在一念之间,使得整个天地宇宙消失,变成一个扁平的宇宙,所有的生灵都是扁平的,甚至也可以在一念之间,使得天地宇宙化为全部是炼狱,所有生灵都是恶鬼形态。也可以瞬息之间,让天地宇宙全部变为仙境,所有的生灵都是神仙........而不朽第十层非有无不朽的境界,那就是无不朽也无法想象之境界。” -Chapter 1000)

I can see that this long river of fate is moving towards the future, and the direction of the future is the highest state of Wulong's mentality. Everyone has reached the state of self-sufficiency, self-contained, and finally achieved the ultimate detachment, and fate will disappear. The long river was replaced by the Wulong mentality. Since then, all living beings have no pain, sorrow, joy and other emotions, and some are free, utterly at ease, and eternal.
The same is true for the fate of the world and the fate of heaven and earth. Heaven and earth are gone, and time and space are completely gone.
But this is not destruction, but a higher realm.
This kind of state can no longer be described by life and death. It is life, but it is not life, and it is death, but it is not death.
Life and death, fate, joy, anger, sorrow and joy cannot be explained clearly for this realm, just like Xia Chong Yubing.
This is a state that all sentient beings cannot understand at this stage.
"Hush..." Gu Chensha slowly finished his work. In a hundred years, in a blink of an eye, when he was adjusting his destiny, creating his destiny, and arranging the future, the human world had already changed terribly.
But Gu Chensha didn't care about these things.
What he cares about is that the fate he arranges for all beings is the highest state of the Wulong mind, everyone is detached, everyone is eternal, and everyone is completely evolved, but this kind of arrangement may not be liked by all beings, and they may even think that they are He is destroying the world, and all living beings will even unite against him.
But sentient beings are wrong, he is for the benefit of sentient beings, and sentient beings cannot understand.
hum...
Just when Gu Chensha finished his work, there was an extra person in front of him, who turned out to be the fourth Gu Huasha.
只见这条命运长河走向未来，未来的走向乃是无龙心法之最高境界，人人都到达了自给自足之境界，自成一体，最后得到了最终之超脱，命运也就消失了，命运 长河被无龙心法所代替，从此之后，众生没有了任何痛苦，悲伤，高兴，欢喜等情绪，有的就是自由自在，彻底安乐，而且永恒。
世界的命运和天地的命运也是如此，天地已经没有了，时空也彻底没有了。
但这却又不是毁灭，而是更高之境界。
这种境界，已经不能够用生死来形容，说是生，又不是生，说是死，又不是死。
生死，命运，喜怒哀乐对于这种境界来说，怎么都无法解释清楚，就如夏虫语冰。
这是一种现阶段众生无法理解的境界。
"嘘……"古尘沙缓缓收工，百年时间，刹那之间，过眼云烟，他在调理命运，缔造命运，安排未来之时，人间界已经变化得不成样子了。
不过古尘沙在意的不是这些。
他在意的是，他为众生安排的命运，就是无龙心法之最高境界，人人超脱，人人都永恒，人人都彻底进化，但这种安排，也许众生不会喜欢，甚至认为他 是在灭世，众生甚至会联合起来反抗他。
但众生是错误的，他是为了众生好，众生不能理解。
嗡……
就在古尘沙收功之时，面前多出来了一个人，居然是老四古华沙。

You have to understand that for us, this world is actually just a temporary place to live. Just like we stay overnight, our body is immortal and has nothing to do with the world, fate, causality, time and space. Even if the void explodes, it has nothing to do with us Chapter 1036
你要明白，这个世界对于我们来说，其实也不过是临时居住的地点而已，就如我们借宿，我们的本体是不死不灭的，是和世界，命运，因果，时空，没有任何关联的，就算是虚空爆炸了，也和我们毫无关系，Chapter 1036

Zhang Xuan gong and Tang Chuan looked at the virtual interface that suddenly appeared and their expressions turned ugly. "This is all because of Gu Chensha. We are indestructible. Even if the multiverse disappears, our Null Immortality realm is eternal. We have transcended the world and dimensions. Unfortunately, our lifespan is only a few billion years. We don't even have the lifespan of a planet. How can we build the entire world?" - Chapter 1107
张玄功和唐川看着自己突然出现的虚拟面板,脸色也很不好看,“这都是古尘沙捣鬼,我们本身是不死不灭的,哪怕是多元宇宙消失,我们身为无不朽的境界,就已经亘古长存,完全超越了世间和空间,可惜现在寿命只有区区几十亿年,连一个星球的寿命都不如,怎么建设整个世界？” - Chapter 1107

“That’s right, the power of Null Immortality is like that." Gu Chensha said: "Any Deathless power encountering Null Immortality not only will have no effect but it will be absorbed, making Null Immortality more powerful, similar to pouring oil onto fire, the oil won't put out the fire but add to it. In fact, any and all substances in the world encountering Null Immortality will produce the same result. Originally in the cycle of Heaven and Earth, all things augment each other, even the most powerful power had something to suppress it, but Null Immortality is something that surpassed the Heavenly Dao, so the concept of all things have opposites is not suitable for Null Immortality. - Chapter 1001

Boom!
Just as Gu Chensha spoke, there were pieces of unintelligible, unspeakable, unpredictable, unpredictable, unintelligible, unexplainable, unknowable, unobservable, unresearchable things on the top of his head.
This thing has never happened in the world.
It is neither material nor energy, nor immaterial, nor non-energy, nor mind, nor non-mind. No one can understand what this power is, nor can anyone see what this power is.
Even with the cultivation bases of Wen Hong, Zhuge Ya, Lou Baiyue and others, they couldn't understand what this thing was at all, they seemed to have become stupid.
However, this force soon enveloped them and formed a large cocoon on their bodies.
This big cocoon presents a color that has never been seen in the world. It can even be said that it is not called a color, neither a color nor a non-color.
In short, in the multiverse, even the most advanced creatures, such as Mr. Wuwu, cannot understand what kind of existence this is. It is not that they cannot reach this state, but they cannot imagine and understand that this kind of power is beyond their way of thinking.
What is scary is not the realm that cannot be reached through hard cultivation.
The scary thing is that you can't even imagine the existence of this state, and you can't understand it.
The realm that Gu Chensha is now urging to display is this realm.
This is still one-tenth of the realm of "non-being without immortality". Chapter 1069

 

[Rabbit2002]

Looks like a supporting evidence with the uninteractible stuff, though the unchangeable nature needs to be specified to count.

Also, isn't what Chensha said (in Annulled's quote about acausality type 5) more than enough for Acausality type 5? Even if it doesn't explicitly say change (I'm pretty sure it says it somewhere but I don't remember where it is right now, you can ask @Muchacho_mrm) but the implication is clear. As long as you move (basic form of change) you will have cause and effect, even if you don't move you still have causality/change due to thinking, even if you are not thinking and without moving there is still change/influence on the fate because it is nothing more than existence itself, even if it does not exist it still has cause and effect (change) ?

 

[Muchacho_mrm]

I don't see the need for additional quotes. Like Rabbit2002 said, it was accepted by Everything12 based on that one quote.

Gu Chensha is explaining a cultivation stage outside of the listed types of causal changes, such limitation not being placed on them and Lou Baiyue responds with saying even inaction produces causality due to thoughts, even without action and thought, their existence produces causality. She then ended her speech with saying as long as it exists there is causality and if it doesn't exist, there is still causality. The first quote alone (Chensha's point) is enough evidence for "changed by any effect that relies on a system of causality".

@Theglassman12 If you disagree, you should ping Everything12 to see if they'll clarify or whether or not they still hold the same view, after all, they did create the new standards.

 

[ImmortalDread]

Everything12 is offline.

 

[WHYNAUT]

Posting evidence of the Light and Darkness from Destiny having Type 5 Acausality. They don't have pages since they're not characters, but they're very relevant to the characters of the verse.

Light and Darkness (also known as the Sky and Deep) are the sources of all paracausality within the verse.

"Oryx knew that all life could be described as cellular automata, except for that life which understood the Deep or the Sky, and thus escaped causality."

"Came now the Traveler, and with it a strange hope—for the Traveler's Light had the power to cause without causation!" "Because there are factions among the Nine: one faction sent Xûr and Orin to study Guardians and the Light, to seek the secret of effect-without-cause and to protect the source of that secret, the last source, now that the Ahamkara are gone."

"It takes overwhelming firepower, or a special kind of weapon. Something outside the laws of cause and effect. Something paracausal."

They are immutable and transcendant.

"You stand for something immutable and transcendent. Act like it."

"If it is true for these Newtonian echoes, why would it not be true of the purest, paracausal forms?"

They are separate from all other rules of reality, able to influence these other rules but unable to be influenced by them. They could only be one thing, because they could never be anything else.

"A special new rule. Something to…" The gardener threw up their hands in exasperation. "I don't know. To reward those who make space for new complexity. A power that helps those who make strength from heterodoxy, and who steer the game away from gridlock. Something to ensure there's always someone building something new. It'll have to be separate from the rest of the rules, running in parallel, so it can't be compromised. And we'll have to be very careful, so it doesn't disrupt the whole game…" "And thus we two became parts of the game, and the laws of the game became nomic and open to change by our influence. And I had only one purpose and one principle in the game. And I could do nothing but continue to enact that purpose, because it was all that I was and ever would be."

This includes cause and effect.

"Of course, there was no water at first. The patterns were abstract waves tumbling through the fire of the early universe, trapped in chaos, cycling through desperate self-preservation tautologies, while vast beings from beyond the narrow dominion of cause and effect thrashed and battled around them. For an eon, they were nothing but screaming equation-vermin scurrying through the quantum foam, fleeing ultimate erasure."

And axioms that determine reality as well. Because Sword Logic, a flavor of Darkness, is superordinate to them and can be used to manipulate them.

"You have written eleven axioms describing the ascendant places, our throne world. You have announced that you will kill one of these axioms, as Akka would kill the truth, and in mantling Akka you will become a God, as I am."

"Listen, Anûk Anûk, who favors bitter things Of the eleven axioms, choose one Of the chosen, spare none Upon Eir’s attendance, say Come, Eir, look This truth is dead"

There's also no anti-feats. The only times they are interacted with in their pure, abstract forms is when high level usages of Light or Darkness are in play.

 

[Muchacho_mrm]

Everything12 is offline.

So was I before posting this reply. I feel like you're saying they're on temporary or permanent leave.

 

[ImmortalDread]

So was I before posting this reply. I feel like you're saying they're on temporary or permanent leave.

Indeed.

 

[Muchacho_mrm]

Then there is no need to contact them.

 

[ImmortalDread]

No problems! Simply pointing out. However, you can contact Ultima regardless.

 

[Gasper]

This does sound like Acausality Type 5 but not 100% sure though.

Also God and Tokyo Babel in general don't qualify for Acausality type 5.

Twin peaks also don't have justification.

Unicron also dosen't sound like Acausality Type 5.

 

[Theglassman12]

@Rabbit2002 the void also governs reality right? If so then I can see Type 5 for the Dragon Talisman characters.

@WHYNAUT So the light and darkness are the purest forms of paracasuals in the series to the point they're not tied to causality anymore, and can implant laws/games into the reality but they aren't affected by it as a result of their transcendent nature? This could qualify for type 5 Acausality then.

@Gasper Yeah none of the tokyo babel characters seem to qualify, I already covered Unicron so idk why you're bringing him up. M has some scans that doesn't exactly mean much for type 5 like the world he exists in has no flow of time whatsoever.

 

[Rabbit2002]

@Rabbit2002 the void also governs reality right? If so then I can see Type 5 for the Dragon Talisman characters.

Yeah, it's the order of world that encompasses multiverse
Also would just void statement be enough (i.e. I only need this for acausality type 5 and other statements are not needed) ? Or all put together for that?

At the same time, they also left this universe in an instant.
For the two of them, the universe of the Eternal Continent couldn't create any binding ability at all.
They stood in the endless void, looking at the human world.
At this time, the human world is already a whole composed of countless universes, just like a group of wonderful bubbles, many bubbles represent the universe, among them there are big bubbles, there are small bubbles, and between bubbles, It is the crystal wall system. If you don't practice to reach the realm of Tianyuan, or even the realm of ancestors, it is impossible to pass through these universes and crystal wall systems.
"This is the entire human world, which is expanding at an extraordinary speed. You see, in the universe and in the universe, there are many shining points. These shining points are constantly emitting power, causing the universe to expand rapidly. As there are more and more flash points, the expansion of the universe is getting faster and faster, and those flash points are people who have cultivated Wulong mentality." Mr. Wuwu pointed to the inside of the human world, "However, at this rate of expansion, the ultimate end is destruction, and the void is also limited. When the expansion of the human world reaches the limit of the void, the two expand, and finally blow up like a bubble, and all existence is turned into the final nothingness."
"Then what we need to do now is to prevent the expansion of Gu Chensha?" Long Xiangtian said.
"Yes, the meaning of my birth is to prevent this kind of thing from happening. The meaning of our existence is to restore everything to the void and achieve annulled, so that the world is always in a balanced position. Of course, Gu Chensha is the biggest instability factor. It must be eliminated, completely killed, so that the world can always be in balance, and it will not be completely blown up by the final destruction. "Mr. Wuwu said: "The human world can no longer expand, and if it continues to expand, everything will be destroyed, just like a person who eats too much and is bloated to death."
与此同时，他们瞬息之间，也离开了这个宇宙。
万古大陆的宇宙对于两人来说，根本造成不了任何束缚能力。
他们站立在无穷无尽的虚空之中，看着人间界。
此时的人间界，已经是无数宇宙组成的一个整体，就如一团精彩的泡沫，许多泡泡就代表了宇宙，其中有大泡泡，有小泡泡，然后泡泡和泡泡之间，就是晶壁系，如果不修炼到达天元境界，乃至于祖之境界，根本不可能穿越这些宇宙和晶壁系。
“这就是整个人间界，在以一种非凡的速度扩张着，你看，在那宇宙和宇宙之中，许多闪光点，这些闪光点，在不停的发出来力量，使得宇宙快速的扩张，随着闪光点越来越多，宇宙扩张的速度就越来越快，那些闪电点，就是修炼成了无龙心法的人。”无无先生指着那人间界的内部，“不过，以这种扩张的速度，最终下场就是毁灭，虚空也是有限的，等人间界的扩张，到达了虚空的极限，两者膨胀，最终就是如泡沫最后似的炸掉，所有的一切存在，都化为了最终的虚无。”
“那我们现在要做的就是阻止古尘沙的扩张？”龙翔天道。
“是的，我的诞生之意义，就是阻止这种事情的发生，我们存在的意义，就是为了把所有的一切，都还原于虚空，成就无无，使得天地始终处于一种平衡地位。当然，古尘沙就是最大的不安定因素。必须要消灭，彻彻底底杀死，才可以使得天地始终处于平衡，不至于被最后的毁灭所完全炸毁。”无无先生道：“人间界不能够再扩张了，再扩张下去，一切都会毁灭，就如一个人吃东西太多了，被活生生的胀死。” Chapter 1027

"I've heard this too. Gu Chensha's theory is this. Realm is actually the power the world gives you to show your power. The more you give the world, the more power the world gives you. What you can show The more power you have, the more power you have. It's really like buying and selling. This theory is not unreasonable, but I always feel that something is wrong." Old Fourth Gu Huasha said: "Could it be that the power of the human mind is really endless, much greater than the entire human world now? Is the power of everyone's mind invincible and invincible?”
"Don't think about him about this matter." The Dharma Saint waved his hand, "But Gu Huasha, let me ask you a question, if you practice in the new world, The same realm is a hundred times stronger than ours. This is true. Will you go to the new world to practice?
"No, I think this is a crooked way. Everything Gu Chensha does is self-destructive. He looks good now, but he is actually on the verge of collapse. This person is too arrogant and wants to use his own power , change the original rules of the whole world, some things cannot be changed, once changed, they will collapse, the order of this world is actually very fragile. You see, the peristalsis of the new world now creates universes every moment, like blowing bubbles. If this continues, There will be many more universes in the human world, and if this continues, the void will be squeezed and exploded. At that time, how can the void contain these universes? Sooner or later, the void will be overwhelmed. At that time, our end will come, and no one will survive. Therefore, if we want to survive, we must stop Gu Chensha now and keep the world as it is. Otherwise, the void will be destroyed. After the explosion, it will be too late"
“我也听说了这点，古尘沙的理论是这样的，境界其实是世界给你展现力量的权限，你给世界越多，世界给你的权限就越大，你所能够展示出来的力量就越多。就真的如同买卖，这个理论也不是没有道理，可我总是觉得不对劲。”老四古华沙道：“难道人的心灵之力真的无穷无尽，比起现在整个人间界都要大得多？每个人的心灵之力都是所向无敌，无限无匹的么？”
“这件事情不去想他。”法圣摆摆手，“不过古华沙，我问你一句，如果新世界之中修炼，同样的境界，比起我们强大百倍，这件事情是真的，你会不会去新世界之中修炼？”
“不会，我觉得这是邪门歪道，古尘沙所做的一切，都在自取灭亡，他现在看似风光，其实是处于了崩溃的边缘，此人实在是太过狂妄，想以一己之力，改变整个世界原来的规则，有些东西不能够改变，一旦改变就会崩溃，这个世界的秩序其实非常脆弱。你看看，现在新世界的蠕动，每时每刻都会诞生出来宇宙，就如吹泡泡似的，这样下去，每过一天，人间界就会多出来许多宇宙，这样下去，虚空都会被挤爆，那个时候，虚空怎么容纳这些宇宙？迟早有一天，虚空都被会挤爆，那个时候，就是我们的末日来到了，所有的人都不会活下去，所以我们要生存下去，必须要现在就开始阻止古尘沙，使得世界维持现状，要不然虚空爆炸之后，那就悔之晚矣。” Chapter 1035

 

[WHYNAUT]

@Theglassman12 that's it yes.

 

[Gasper]

@Gasper Yeah none of the tokyo babel characters seem to qualify, I already covered Unicron so idk why you're bringing him up. M has some scans that doesn't exactly mean much for type 5 like the world he exists in has no flow of time whatsoever.

I didn't see that you already covered him, mb.
Then you can add M to disqualify list.

 

[Theglassman12]

@Rabbit2002 get the statements about the void having some governing control over reality with the whole “annulled being beyond cause and effect” statements as with those two together you can argue type 5 for that.

@WHYNAUT I’ll add them to the list when I get the chance.

 

[Rabbit2002]

@Rabbit2002 get the statements about the void having some governing control over reality with the whole “annulled being beyond cause and effect” statements as with those two together you can argue type 5 for that.

So I guess Dragon Talisman characters are enough for acausality type 5? As the two quotes above, The Void is the order containing the multiverse/world and if it is destroyed/exploded then all existence will be annihilated.

 

[Theglassman12]

That plus those in this particular state aren't fazed by it as their main thing is the result of being above cause and effect. Once you got those connections down it's fine.

 

[Rabbit2002]

That plus those in this particular state aren't fazed by it as their main thing is the result of being above cause and effect. Once you got those connections down it's fine.

Yeah
in the same chapter as the second quote, a character asked if Void exploding/destroyed said by Fourth was the problem, replied that there was no need to worry about it because like their Dragonless Sutra/Wulong's mind (无龙心法), they transcend cause and effect, and so even if the void blows up they'll be perfectly fine

"By the way, is there any reason for the things that the fourth was worried about just now?" At this time, God of Fushou asked: "It is because the universe was born too fast, and sooner or later it will squeeze the void to explode." Chapter 1035
God of Fushou, you have to understand that for us, this world is actually just a temporary place to live. Just like we stay overnight, our body is immortal and has nothing to do with the world, fate, karma/cause and effect, time and space. Even if the void explodes, it has nothing to do with us, everyone who has realized Wulong's mind, only our own hearts are our own, the world is just something reflected in our hearts, so there is no need for you to worry
“对了，刚才老四担心的那些事情，到底有没有道理？”这个时候，福寿神问：“就是宇宙诞生太快，迟早会把虚空挤得爆炸的事情。” Chapter 1035
福寿神，你要明白，这个世界对于我们来说，其实也不过是临时居住的地点而已，就如我们借宿，我们的本体是不死不灭的，是和世界，命运，因果，时空，没有任何关联的，就算是虚空爆炸了，也和我们毫无关系，我们参悟了无龙心法的每一个人，只有我们自己的心才是我们自己的，世界不过是我们内心深处反应出来的东西而已，所以你的担心，毫无必要。”诸葛牙摆摆手：“那老四之所以担心，是因为他没有看穿某种事情，导致于整天神神叨叨，不知道在干些什么，都是无用功 Chapter 1036

 

[Theglassman12]

Neat

Anyways I've been looking through the pages with acausality, Unwritten, Gao Chuan and Gods of Heaven either have no explanation for type 5 or just doesn't fit the bill for the new type 5. Twin Peaks I've asked Ultima and he said they can have their type 5 removed, so adding them all in the list.

 

[deonment]

Neat

Anyways I've been looking through the pages with acausality, Gao Chuan either have no explanation for type 5 or just doesn't fit the bill for the new type 5.

What, glass, spaceman literally asked you about it on this thread and you said it was fine

This is the reasoning of a profile that currently has a CRT ongoing, there was a disagreement on if it was valid.

Acausality (Type 5; Things' like causality and fate exist as a part of the long river of time. So in areas where space and time are close to being destroyed, matter becomes static, causality becomes frozen, and the beings in such places are practically non-existent, unable to be attacked in any way. Only by time starting again can one effectively interact with them. Gao Chuan has to create avatars that can interact with such beings, since his true form directly transcends time and space)

It is stated in the 2nd Novel that beings on his level transcend all causality, and all physical changes, though I can't add it to his profile since I'm still compiling scans.

 

[Theglassman12]

Oh right, forgive me I forgot Spaceman explained it, busy past weeks for me.

 

[ImmortalDread]

Oh right, forgive me I forgot Spaceman explained it, busy past weeks for me.

Not forgiven. Direct report to HR

 

[Theglassman12]

@deonment Do you know anything about Mother Eater's type 5? It mentions existing outside of causality but nothing about it being unchangeable as a result.

 

[deonment]

@deonment Do you know anything about Mother Eater's type 5? It mentions existing outside of causality but nothing about it being unchangeable as a result.

Yeah, no, Digimon (currently) doesn't have the stuff about being uninteractable to memory though I may entirely be forgetting something so you should probably ping @Executor_N0 if anything