About the Star Maker

[Ultima_Reality]

I already addressed that in the OP. "Temporal Dimensions" here is referring to alternate timelines which branch off of a main universe, this feat is 2-A.

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

I mean the infinite system of spatial relations quote still seems High 1-B

 

[Agnaa]

I mean the infinite system of spatial relations quote still seems High 1-B

It really doesn't.

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

So downgrade to 2-A?

Huh? So I guess I wasn't lowballing it after all.

 

[PsychoWarper]

Damn thats in intense downgrade.

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

Remember when Zach said this thing was very high into 1-A or even tier 0?

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

Well according to Ultima Low 1-C is a minimum

Which still ain't bad

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

I already addressed that in the OP. "Temporal Dimensions" here is referring to alternate timelines which branch off of a main universe, this feat is 2-A.

And then he said this.

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

He's saying that feat in particular is only 2-A, since he also has feats of creating universes with multiple temporal dimensions

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

And now he said the "temporal dimensions" are just alternate timelines.

 

[Agnaa]

Right, the Low 1-C feat was the temporal dimensions one, but if it's now just alternate timelines then it would only be 2-A.

 

[Ultima_Reality]

The feat where he creates universes with multiple temporal dimensions is a different feat from this one.

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

Oh so Low 1-C?

 

[Eganergo]

Wouldn't that just mean multiple timelines?

 

[Antvasima]

@Ultima & Agnaa

So what should we do here?

 

[Agnaa]

I'm not familiar with the verse beyond what I've read in this thread, so I can't confidently suggest new ratings. However, Ultima has said there's a valid Low 1-C feat which seems reliable after clarification was given. In summary, probably downgrade to Low 1-C but I'd like Ultima's/Udl's final thoughts on the subject before we apply anything.

 

[Planck69]

I remember seeing a thread where Star Maker was compared to Shub-Niggurath. Oh how the mighty have fallen...

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. Thank you for the clarification.

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

I actually want Matt's input before this is concluded, as he apparently is a fan

 

[Antvasima]

Okay.

 

[BleedingPeach]

What do we think is a reference for saying outerverse? Since the mathematical verses that Stapledon wrote, we know that those are 1-A just because the "inhabitants" of said cosmoses don't need space not time. When we think about a dimension, do we interpret it as another way of movement, physics on board or just something that allows us for measure something? Like I said before, cosmos eventually got at its peak, then another cosmos comes and becomes more complex than the previous one. When you trascend dimensions you are a complex "life" form, but what is complex, we may ask ourselves. That's the part that philosophy takes part in the question and becomes more interesting to debate.

 

[Genericstickman]

so has this concluded?

 

[Warren_Valion]

No - and now with the revisions to the higher echleons of the tiering system, The Star Maker's fate is more capricious.

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

No - and now with the revisions to the higher echleons of the tiering system, The Star Maker's fate is more capricious.

Revisions are over so bump

 

[Antvasima]

So do you have informed suggestions regarding how we should scale this character according to the new tiering system?

 

[Ultima_Reality]

Bumping this.

As for the tiering of the Star Maker, I'd say he is still "At least Low 1-C, likely far higher", given he created universes with three temporal dimensions instead of spatial ones, and while he admitedly never showcases the ability to create one with three spatial dimensions and three temporal ones, I wouldn't consider this too far-fetched, given how he continuously creates increasingly complex cosmoses until the Ultimate Cosmos is formed, and is overall portrayed as an ultimate creative power only limited by Logic itself throughout the story as a whole, so, yeah.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. That is probably fine.

 

[PsychoWarper]

That seems fair.

 

[Antvasima]

However, somebody should first ask Sandman31 to comment here, as he created the page:

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Message_Wall:Sandman31

 

[Sandman31]

Yeah, sure go ahead.

I still think that the Star Maker, at least his the Ultimate Spirit, could be 1-A. But im not gonna argue about it now

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. Thank you for the reply.

 

[BleedingPeach]

Please, don't close this.

Wait for @Sandman31's reply

 

[Antvasima]

Okay.