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Extra's Death: Hypertimeline Yap

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So some cool possible hyper-timeline stuff exists here.

Essentially there's the "Universe" and "Cosmos". "Universe" is a single timeline, while Cosmos is essentially the multiversal space which contains these infinite timelines as if they were small bubbles floating within a massive sphere (Cosmos). Then we have something that reveals time isn't being reversed in just a single timeline/Eon, but the time of the entire Cosmos, while reversing a universe doesn't reverse the time of the Cosmos.


I believe this should be a hypertimeline as the Cosmos has time different from the timelines, and reversing time of Cosmos also reverses the Universes within it which are their own timelines, suggesting it contains these infinite timelines as snapshots within its own time dimension.

Also some more proof that time can be reversed for single Universe/timeline (without spanning the Cosmos)


Even a world which reflects or mirrors a normal universe possesses it's own time


So as a result, the Cosmos would have a temporal dimension over the already established 1-B cosmology.
 
seems fine at a glance but we should get some Hypertimeline experts here
 
Obviously agree, yeah.

Vietthai96 said:
What?
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Basically a Being that is an embodiment of Time and can control it totally and stuff, and he helped beings weaker than Stage 3 to reverse the entire universe (not cosmos), but after that, they are on their own.
 
Well, there is some higher sort of time in most multiverse constructs yeah, the main object of question is if it's orthogonal. And here two details suggest so:
  1. You can time travel in the Universe's timeline without effecting the cosmos.
  2. There's a "here" and "after" the branching happened.
The first one isn't really helpful on its own, but combined with the second one, I think you're about 80% good to go. However, there are possible scenarios even with the second option where there the hyper time isn't orthogonal, thus the 80% instead of 100.

A few things that, either one of them could easily make you go 100%:

  • Are there any feats where someone goes to a point where the Cosmos and the Universe had not separated (the Universes were not born)?
  • Perhaps a special ability or some form of time travel allowing you to go to different timelines or Universes?
  • A Time Stop that can't stop Time of the Cosmos but only of the Universe.
  • Some Time Travel that works even in Time Stop.
All of these imply orthogonality in one way or another. The first indicates that the Cosmos's time is storing different states of before and after of the timeline's birth and destruction.

The second implies that different Universes occupy different snapshots in the hypertimeline, making it orthogonal

The third and forth imply that the relation between Universe's time and the Cosmos's time is like between a point and a line, orthogonal and uncountaly infinitely more.

There are some more methods but these are the more common portrayal in fiction.
 
Astral_Trinity439 said:
Are there any feats where someone goes to a point where the Cosmos and the Universe had not separated (the Universes were not born)?
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Don't believe so but @Rikimarox2 might have something since hes read the privilege chapters.
Astral_Trinity439 said:
Perhaps a special ability or some form of time travel allowing you to go to different timelines or Universes?
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Funnily enough
Here's some yap about time and time paradoxes and how they're handled. Note that there only being "one timeline" isn't a hard limit in the cosmology, but there cant be any sort of timelines branching from another timeline as they're forcefully merged. Yet you can still have multiple co-existing timelines (the universes in the Cosmos) that aren't branched from another timeline because they exist separately.


Because of this, the MC can use his future vision to travel to a desired future which creates a timeline that shortly gets merged with the main timeline
 
BestMGQScalerEver said:
Don't believe so but @Rikimarox2 might have something since hes read the privilege chapters.

Funnily enough
Here's some yap about time and time paradoxes and how they're handled. Note that there only being "one timeline" isn't a hard limit in the cosmology, but there cant be any sort of timelines branching from another timeline as they're forcefully merged. Yet you can still have multiple co-existing timelines (the universes in the Cosmos) that aren't branched from another timeline because they exist separately.


Because of this, the MC can use his future vision to travel to a desired future which creates a timeline that shortly gets merged with the main timeline
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So the suppose timeline is the Universe??
 
BestMGQScalerEver said:
Don't believe so but @Rikimarox2 might have something since hes read the privilege chapters.

Funnily enough
Here's some yap about time and time paradoxes and how they're handled. Note that there only being "one timeline" isn't a hard limit in the cosmology, but there cant be any sort of timelines branching from another timeline as they're forcefully merged. Yet you can still have multiple co-existing timelines (the universes in the Cosmos) that aren't branched from another timeline because they exist separately.


Because of this, the MC can use his future vision to travel to a desired future which creates a timeline that shortly gets merged with the main timeline
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Hmm, this is a bit tricky, but I think you can get something from this

Think of like this. Take the | as the Hypertime (3 | equals one snapshot) while ------ is the regular time

There is no paradox, and there is one timeline, like; One timeline in Snapshot A
(A)
|
|--------------
|

A time paradox occurs and the timeline branches, to let's say too
Then it's like this; 3 Timelines in snapshot B
(B)
|-------------
|-------------
|-------------
Time merges these timelines and they become one again; One timeline again in snapshot C
(C)
|
|-------------
|

So there's a before and an after, and an in-between where the number of timelines that exist change, as forced by Time.

This indicates a hypertimeline that spawns orthogonal to the regular timeline so you're pretty much done with that requirement. However, another problem arises and that's "is the hyper time significant/Infinite in size like "Time", or is it limited to only storing states of changes that occur due to internal time travel.

FAQ for backup:
Of particular consideration are instances in which timelines as a whole are changed, such that there is a timeline (or multiple timelines) before they were changed and after they were changed or created / destroyed. As the timelines as a whole are changed, the before and after in this context can't be the past and future the timelines usually use, but should be a separate direction.

However, caution is necessary. As explained above, we require that the additional time dimension is "a line comprised of uncountably infinitely many points." If new versions of timelines are only created if they are changed, due to time travel for example, then the number of "snapshots" of the timeline would be far more limited. The amount of snapshots would be one more than the times the timeline was changed. So, for example, if the timeline is rewritten 2 times, there would be 3 snapshots of the timeline: the original, the timeline after the first rewrite and the timeline after the second rewrite. That are far less than the required uncountably infinitely many.

Aside from direct statements, the easiest way to confirm that the line is comprised of uncountably infinitely many points/"snapshots" is to show that the development of the timelines is time-like. I.e. typically one would want a statement indicating that the alteration of the timelines is subject to its own flow of time, or that special time travel can go to prior versions of the timelines instead of the past. The keyword in the latter case is time travel, as that specifies that the action happens through movement through something like time. Note that such statements can be considered contradicted if the fiction specifies that new versions of the timeline, i.e. additional snapshots, are only created when the timeline is altered or similar.
One other pitfall to consider is the case of branching timelines, where one can return to a past with fewer timelines by just going back to a point in the regular past that was before the split happened. In such cases one has to decide based on context if that is meant or if a prior version where the splits also didn't exist in the regular future is meant. The former case doesn't qualify for an additional time dimension, while the latter might if it meets the other outlined criteria.
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I'd say you can go through this via any of the following options, if you want to continue using this approach:
  • This higher sort of "Time" is infinite (called so)
  • The higher time (Cosmos) is independent of the Universes; Even if they are born or destroyed, the Cosmos continues.
  • One of the scans in the OP mentions that paralell worlds were born when Cosmos and Universe were divided. If you can prove that other paralell Universes are born after that event/they weren't born only once, that will also do
Or you can go another away and find any scans that prove that the character Neo's time stop (scan in the OP) doesn't make the Cosmos's time stop following.


Any of these 3 (or 4th) option and I think you'd have a pretty solid Hyper timeline
 
Astral_Trinity439 said:
Hmm, this is a bit tricky, but I think you can get something from this

Think of like this. Take the | as the Hypertime (3 | equals one snapshot) while ------ is the regular time

There is no paradox, and there is one timeline, like; One timeline in Snapshot A
(A)
|
|--------------
|

A time paradox occurs and the timeline branches, to let's say too
Then it's like this; 3 Timelines in snapshot B
(B)
|-------------
|-------------
|-------------
Time merges these timelines and they become one again; One timeline again in snapshot C
(C)
|
|-------------
|

So there's a before and an after, and an in-between where the number of timelines that exist change, as forced by Time.

This indicates a hypertimeline that spawns orthogonal to the regular timeline so you're pretty much done with that requirement. However, another problem arises and that's "is the hyper time significant/Infinite in size like "Time", or is it limited to only storing states of changes that occur due to internal time travel.

FAQ for backup:


I'd say you can go through this via any of the following options, if you want to continue using this approach:
  • This higher sort of "Time" is infinite (called so)
  • The higher time (Cosmos) is independent of the Universes; Even if they are born or destroyed, the Cosmos continues.
  • One of the scans in the OP mentions that paralell worlds were born when Cosmos and Universe were divided. If you can prove that other paralell Universes are born after that event/they weren't born only once, that will also do
Or you can go another away and find any scans that prove that the character Neo's time stop (scan in the OP) doesn't make the Cosmos's time stop following.


Any of these 3 (or 4th) option and I think you'd have a pretty solid Hyper timeline
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Well the branching of timelines that get forcefully merged happen after the fact. Time here also isn't really much different other than being a higher form of it.
 
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BestMGQScalerEver said:
Well the branching of timelines that get forcefully merged happen after the fact.
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Also Cosmos is treated like a sort of large container where universes are just small spheres within it. It'd be weird to assume a container like this has dependence on objects in it (like you dont need a box to be full for it to still be a box)
 
Well, I could see hypertimeline here, though the branching timeline was for the universe instead of the cosmos, so I have some skepticism. Since we don't know what happens to the Cosmos' time, sometimes the absence of evidence isn't the evidence itself
 
Considering that each universe has its own distinct time, such as the Shadow World, and yet the time of the Cosmos as a whole can still be manipulated, I believe there is sufficient implication for the Hypertimeline that governs the regular timelines of the Universe. You can count me as agree for now.
 
Vietthai96 said:
Just woke up and

This addition seems oke to me now, since this somewhat implied things outside of Universe's timeline and the Cosmos have its own time regulate the Universes
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Reading the chapters I haven't been caught up on and this might as well hammer it in

He wasn’t putting Neo inside a time seal, but instead he was putting each Existence he had cut apart from Neo into a separate pocket universe timeline.

"…!"

Kevin felt a resistance.

He was surprised Neo could fight back even in that state.

But Kevin had come prepared.

He took out another sword.

A demon.

The sword shone, creating into countless copies of itself, and each copy stabbed into a pocket universe timeline Kevin had created.

The sword sealed the pocket universe shut, cutting off its timeline from the main universe’s timeline.
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The Nullhour Worlds began to expand, and time itself started to be erased.

Seconds, minutes, hours—all gone.

The pocket universes couldn’t survive without the flow of time, which was one of the fundamental forces.

One by one, they collapsed.

Neo drifted through the collapsing space, appearing in another universe after each shattering.

He soon realized Kevin had layered pocket universes within pocket universes, like a nesting trap.

But it didn’t matter.

Every time Neo’s fragment entered one, Time was erased, and the pocket universe fell apart.
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