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I think you misunderstood me. If the theme itself is described as an actual power, that theme is consistent within the series, not just happening to one person either, then why would it apply to one game? It implies it never does so again. In-fact it would be silly to just say "Okay, I'll help Mario just this one time". It does so to Mario, Luigi, Peach, Rosalina, and Luma. So it isn't a selective few, it's if that person is your special one. And yes, the examples I listed are of important characters. Rosalina is here stating that the force reunites people from desire. If it was worded differently, I'd see the point.Damn, because someone vaguely refers to a power doing one thing in one game, it is automatically assumed to apply to literally every game before and after that even vaguely aligns with a ridiculously broad theme?
Difference here however is that those are common metaphors for random places. Here, it is very much a thing that is described as the reason Mario is reunited. And hell, the power of love is very much a thing in Mario: The Purity Heart. So seeing as things like the concept of love are legitimate powers, even wishing, then... yeah. Desire is less of a stretch.Concepts are commonly referred to as if they were a physical thing. Its not all that uncommon.
Here I should also mention the next time they mention about their comprehensions, the next Great Sage, Chakron, refers to their unenlightenment about the universe. The character there is also someone who has been absorbing outer waves from the universe for a thousand years into his mind. So I should say he's pretty smart.Here we have one of the Great Sages saying a fate ended up bringing them up together that is beyond their comprehension
See, I would agree that if wishes and shooting stars haven't already been described in Mario. In Super Mario RPG, there are these things called wish stars. They contain the wishes of other people. Now there is a key difference. A wish star is formed from someone's wish, meaning they make the wish first, star later. Here it displays them making the wish come after. Unless the Star Spirits changed, that is not how wishes work in Mario. First quote though goes with me saying more than once that desire is their fate of being reunited. It already has Fate Manipulation on its profile too.I think the important part of your second quote to highlight is I bet that shooting star heard my wish. Not that some gentle pull heard the wish, but that that shooting star did. And your first quote described it as fate.
Though not really. First one is stating they fates crossed and met again on the day Bowser ate the carrot by something beyond their comprehension. Next one is Mario and Huey "wishing" (a wish is a desire) for being reunited for separate others.All the games describe it differently, which makes me think it's that game's way of justifying the theme, and not some unified force across all of them. Generally the cases of universal forces/supreme beings across a disparate cosmology have much stronger statements supporting them that are much more unified in their messaging than this.
If the theme itself is described as an actual power, that theme is consistent within the series, not just happening to one person either, then why would it apply to one game?
Fatehax doesn't have a page tho, it's just a abilityThe Gentle Pull has a similar situation going on like Archie Sonic’s FateHax, so I understand the concept.
Agree: Ion, Saman, Rochman, Zoey, Antvasima, Agnaa, InfiniteSpeed, ShockingPsychic, Matt, Gyro (10)
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We have Ten Agreements for deleting it.
Fatehax doesn't have a page tho, it's just a ability
SorryI wasn’t counted in disagree?
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We have Ten Agreements for deleting it.
My argument is that assuming that the wish from Color Splash is from a different source is wonky since this type of wishing was done from Super Mario RPG and continued in Paper Mario. Superstar Saga referenced Paper Mario. The Origami King and Sticker Star are a part of the same game series, plus TOK references all past Paper Mario games.I don't understand your argument here? I haven't played any of those games besides Superstar Saga, but I wouldn't expect them to make mention of Star Spirits or the Star Rod.
They clearly don't function the same way because that's the crux of your argument. "They work differently so they can't ACTUALLY be wishes, it must be this completely separate gentle pull thing that has nothing to do with it!"Or maybe wishes work differently in different Mario games from different sources? There are countless concepts across Mario that are similar but different across games. It's absolutely ridiculous to me for you to say "Well wishes worked differently in this one game, so it can't be wishes in this other game, it has to be something completely unrelated, like the gentle pull!"
While arguments are still being made?We have ten agreements, I think this can be passed
Numbers don't matter but the quality of the argumentWe have ten agreements, I think this can be passed
That kind proves they are the same.I don't see how saying it's from a different source is headcanon if they function completely differently, the only commonality being the absurdly common fictional trope of "Wishing upon a star".
Its Staff input, right?Everyone here has been here long enough to know majority doesn’t automatically rule in a CRT.
Stop schizophrenically switching between arguments for the love of god. I have been consistent like this while you've been flip-flopping back and forth.See, I would agree that if wishes and shooting stars haven't already been described in Mario. In Super Mario RPG, there are these things called wish stars. They contain the wishes of other people. Now there is a key difference. A wish star is formed from someone's wish, meaning they make the wish first, star later. Here it displays them making the wish come after. Unless the Star Spirits changed, that is not how wishes work in Mario.
A wish star is formed from someone's wish, meaning they make the wish first
I literally say this is the Wish Star method, only that wish wasn't made by Mario nor Huey. A wish star is created AFTER making a wish. When I say this is not how wishes work, that's me saying Mario making a wish during a shooting star isn't how wish stars work, thus it wasn't him who made that wish. Not to mention a Wish Star has a wish for each specifc one. Huey's was with the paint star. Mario's was with Peach. There's only one shooting star. They did not make that Wish Star, thus it was pure desire, much like every other Mario game.My argument is that assuming that the wish from Color Splash is from a different source is wonky since this type of wishing was done from Super Mario RPG and continued in Paper Mario.