About the constant Naruto revision threads

[The_real_cal_howard]

Staff only! This is your only warning.

I, and likely everybody else, has noticed that these threads are popping up way too much. And we've already created rules on not doing this. I'm taking suggestions on how to handle this. Should we start handing out punishments?

 

[Antvasima]

Well, severe warnings might be appropriate in any case.

 

[Lina_Shields]

Kka was supposed to have finished the entirety of the Naruto revisions. He promised us that they would be finished by the end of this Easter.

The users here, taking note of the Naruto revisions that may be coming up are basically hyped up for what the revisions may turn out to be. Since the revisions are not coming out at this moment, users here have basically decided to take matters regarding Naruto into their own hands.

Instead of handing out punishments, we really need to get that Naruto revision completely settled, AP/speed and all that stuff. The constant revision threads will die down after said revision of the series is finished.

By the way, we also need to thoroughly check the translations regarding the guidebooks, especially Madara's Light Fang issue, to see if the translation for that is correct/incorrect (It was translated for said attack to move at the speed of light, from what I remember.)

 

[Antvasima]

Well, they also seem angry about that we have a bit of a double-standard regarding Kaguya, as we have rated other characters as 4-C for similar feats as her own.

Regardless, the constant threads are turning annoying. I will ask Gwynbleiddd for help.

 

[Gwynbleiddd]

Lina is right, this is partially my fault but i only started the project because there were many Naruto threads before in which many things i don't agree were accepted with very little thought and the overall stats of the verse make little sense.

That being said, i didn't promise that i would have finished them on Easter, i said that i would probably finish them on either Easter or Summer holidays (when Kuuichigo asked me).

Initially i thought i would be able to do them on Easter but things happened and i can't focus on anything Naruto related.

But i will try to calc all the impressive feats (mainly from the last 100 chapters) in the next week so that this can be settled.

More minor feats won't be included so if someone finds anything good, they can send a message to one of the calc group for help.

@Lina Can you take a look at this calc and my comment on it.It is important for the overall speed of the verse.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. Thank you for the help.

 

[Lina_Shields]

@KKa: I will take a chance to look at the calc in question if time is available, although the Rasenshuriken that you derived Massively Hypersonic from and this particular Rasenshuriken here are different.

As for what this means, wouldn't using a calculated speed for Rasenshuriken from a previous calc, and applying it to a new calc be considered calc stacking?

@Ant: Considering that we have been upgrading verses left and right due to world creation feats [Demise, Mundus], and scaling the AP to relevant characters that scale, it does seem unfair that Kaguya does not get the same treatment as the previous two characters.

I am still concerned whether creation of a dimension would even directly count towards Striking Strength for that character, but that is a topic for another time.

 

[Antvasima]

Well, I previously suggested that Kaguya should keep her current rating for durability and general combat purposes, but be rated as 4-C with the special technique that she used to create a star. However, the rest of the staff thought that it was a bad idea, due to being an outlier.

 

[Lina_Shields]

There is a suggestion that I have in mind, an unconventional one nontheless.

 

[The_Everlasting]

"Considering that we have been upgrading verses left and right due to world creation feats [Demise, Mundus], and scaling the AP to relevant characters that scale, it does seem unfair that Kaguya does not get the same treatment as the previous two characters."

You're missing/leaving out how such a feat is a massive outlier for Kaguya.

 

[Gwynbleiddd]

@Lina It is the same Rasen Shuriken, the one that Pain dodged while it crossed the entire CT crater in 1 second or less.

The calc used an illogical timeframe derived from Pain's free fall but i suggested that we can treat the Rasen Shuriken as a projectile, in which case it would need to have a speed of around mach 240 to reach the other end of the crater before hitting the ground.

 

[Lina_Shields]

Is it an outlier? Considering that it's the only notable feat that Kaguya did in the entire series, aside from her threatening to blow said dimension up completely with her

Just treat her similar to Yhwach, where she has her Attack Potency based on her dimensional manipulation, but scale her Striking Strength to Naruto/Sasuke/Hagoromo since Kaguya is comparable to both Naruto/Sasuke physically. It should be written as:

• Attack Potency: At least Planet level (Able to manipulate a dimension that is planet sized)
• Striking Strength: At least Class XJ (Has Small Planet level physical strength; able to overwhelm both Naruto/Sasuke simultaneously)
• Durability: At least Moon level+, likely Small Planet level (Scaling from Six Paths Naruto/Rinnegan Sasuke)
  • Not sure about the "At least Moon level+" part for durability considering Sasuke and Naruto's attacks weren't normally able to hurt Kaguya for the most part.

Haruhi's profile follows this, since her AP is based on her splitting a timeline and merging the two halves, but we don't scale this feat to her physically.

 

[Gemmysaur]

Problem I see is that iirc, Naruto matched Kaguya briefly in a punchout so there's that.

Perhaps, At least Planet level under certain conditions?

 

[The_Everlasting]

If Kaguya were so much more powerful than Naruto and Sasuke she would've annihilated them in combat.

 

[Gemmysaur]

Well, there is that she's no true fighter. It's like Iron Man vs Cap and Bucky all over again.

 

[Reppuzan]

@Gemmy

I mean, she uses the Gentle Fist and all, so we can't exactly say she isn't a fighter (however good she is happens to be debatable).

If this change does go through, then I still think we should rate her physical AP somewhat lower, given that she didn't instantly chunk Naruto and Sasuke with her attacks.

 

[Lina_Shields]

We already have Kaguya's regular Attack Potency as "At least Small Planet level" according to her profile, as she easily overwhelmed Six Paths Naruto/Sasuke as well as being stronger than Hagoromo.

So her Striking Strength would still remain the same, although the Class XJ part would be relevant in this case, as it directly matches her physical strength.

The Attack Potency part would mainly apply to her

• Expansive Truth-Seeking Ball, where her
• ability to casually change the environment of the dimension that they are fighting on, which is at least planetary in size. However, these feats would not directly scale to her physical strength.

The first one is a specific technique (which it takes a significant amount of time to actually complete), while the second one would be considered reality warping/spatial manipulation.

It still doesn't seem clear to me why Naruto/Sasuke with the Six Paths Chakra would be any weaker in comparison to young Hagoromo/Hamura.

Kaguya in Naruto/Sasuke's battle had both Six Paths Madara (who was said to be approaching Hagoromo in power at that point) + Shinju absorbed, while the one that Hagoromo/Hamura fight only absorbed the Shinju, from what I remember.

This would mean that Kaguya during Naruto/Sasuke > Kaguya during Hagoromo/Hamura.

 

[Antvasima]

Well, she obviously did not demontrate the ability to use her full Star level power for practical combat purposes. I just thought that we could mention it as a special technique that she cannot use for anything else, similarly to how Adam Warlock merged two timelines, but has never demonstrated anywhere near that level of power in practical combat.

 

[Lina_Shields]

So, I am currently reading the chapters in Naruto regarding Kaguya/Naruto/Sasuke, and I seem to have missed the scan where Kaguya's dimension shows a star.

Can anyone link the specific scan to me? If not, Kaguya's AP by itself should be rated Planet level for not only being able to casually manipulate her dimensions but also being able to potentially destroy it.

 

[Antvasima]

Well, maybe I misremember, but I think that somebody mentioned to me that there was a sun in her dimension.

 

[Gwynbleiddd]

I've made a start

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Gwynbleiddd/Naruto_tosses_a_rhino

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Gwynbleiddd/Pain's_Shira_Tensei_destroyes_Konoha

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. Thank you for the help.

As usual, you can ask for an evaluation here:

https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/549708

 

[Rachin123]

I'm going to have to go against the allegations that Kaguya is anything more than planet level. We have no proof that she created those 6 dimensions. What need would she have to create them for anyway? When did she even have time to do this? Why would her Expansive Truth-Seeking Ball need to take out anything more than the planet when the rest of space didn't matter to her? I mean she has no actual feats to support her being above planet level, in fact, we have no proof that she could actually destroy the planet. She has vague statements that can be interpreted completely different than what people are saying.

 

[Reppuzan]

@Lucy

Staff-only.

 

[Lina_Shields]

@Rachin: Just want to point out here that after Kaguya was sealed up, Kaguya's dimensions still remain. It means that those dimensions still exist without Kaguya's powers directly maintaining those dimensions.

Although Kaguya is able to completely rewrite all aspects of her dimensions, there is no evidence pointing that she can rewrite all six of her dimensions simultaneously.

Also, we have this quote here

When Kaguya created an enormous Truth-Seeking Ball in her core dimension by absorbing the chakra from the victims of Infinite Tsukuyomi, it was said that it would be used to create a new dimension.
	~ Kaguya's Dimensions​

Kaguya was about to bust an existing dimension and create a new dimension from scratch, so it would mean that her Attack Potency, in this case, would directly scale to her physical strength.

Basically, Kaguya was formed when Black Zetsu absorbed Six Path Madara's powers, who in turn, absorbed the Shinju which had drained the chakra of almost every living thing on the planet.

To be completely honest, I am starting to think that Naruto/Sasuke's Chibaku Tensei could be an anti-feat, considering what Kaguya can do with her abilities....

 

[LlamaGod1411]

@Lina

I understand this is staff only, but in regards to stars in Kaguya's dimension, I think it was brought up due to the fact that shadows were formed while Naruto-Sasuke were battling Kaguya in one of her dimensions. That was the basis of the star claim iirc.

And, the Boruto Movie has a moon(I think?) shown, near one of Kaguya's palaces.

 

[Gemmysaur]

Maybe she's a glass cannon? Idk.

 

[Reppuzan]

@Rachin

This thread is Staff-Only. Please stop.