Yeah, I'm aware. But that still is the correct attack speed, the sword really is moving that fast. Now in real life you can argue that the enemy is reacting to the arm movement, not the sword, but that's a pretty stupid distinction to make when we have people attacking at supersonic speeds and fiction basically never makes that distinction. So in substance I think it's fine as is.
Attack speed? Yes, as that is how fast the sword itself is moving.
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I am aware of that. I think you need to consider that there's always some level of approximation that our standards must follow, we can never be 100% accurate. So I think it's kind of a silly distinction to make even if it's correct on paper.
Again, following that, a character with a galaxy-size blade would still scale to MFTL+. I believe they should only scale if they are explicitly shown to move faster than the sword itself. Simply assuming a character can move as fast as their sword is pretty ridiculous, and doesn't make a lot of sense as the length of the sword naturally moves far faster than the user's body.
Agreed. Not to mention that most characters in fiction can easily perceive their own attacks and even change attacks mid-way.
Even though a 1m sword would move around 2.333x faster than the user's arm?
That's the problem though: Angular velocity, and that all portions of the blade hit at the same time (if it is a straight blade); reacting to the tip of the sword, is just as easy as reacting to the arm of the user.
Again, fiction is not going to make that distinction almost 99% of the time. Like, ever.
And what if it actually does? Just because it is likely, does not mean it is always right to do.
If it does then it is an exception, not a rule.
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Then we actually take that into account.
Here's the thing, the arm isn't the closest thing to you in that situation, it's the blade's tip, and it's inches away from slicing you up. What do you do then?
Again; the tip of the sword would impact you the same exact time as any other part of the radius, including the arm.
It would probably be the other way round given our standards. Also, 99% percent of people know that the edge of a weapon moves faster.
Depends on the type of handguard.
Assuming the verse follows the laws of angular velocity to begin with.
By your logic, characters with somewhat long arms shouldn't have speed feats of moving their arms really fast because the speed only scales to the tip of their fingers, I can agree to unreasonably long swords, but swords from 1-3 Meters long that are consistently reacted to are fine
Remember what I said: They should only scale to their physical body, such as their arms, legs, etc.
Yeah I was arguing for scaling to dodging the weapon at the very tip, seeing it in slow-mo or outright controlling the weapon mid-attack. Which I have no doubt a crapton of characters in fiction can do, like, all the time.
Dude with this logic, Giants bigger than 3 meters would get different attack speed for swinging punches compared to reaction speed.
Refer to what Armorchompy said. Also this kind of argument would absolutely not work if the character were to spin their weapon separately like a blender's rotating blades by twirling their fingers and swinging the weapon like some keychain.
But a sword is basically an extension of the arm, the entire point of a sword is to extend the attack range of a human, it is just as valid for speed feats as anything
Even IRL some weapons can only be as strong as their wielder's strength allows them to be.
Pretty much what I've been trying to argue.
Melee weapons are essentially a "force multiplier", something used to increase the damage output of a user; so they would scale higher with weapons.
I just flat out don't agree, speed of weapons that are used regularly in combat and people react to them all the time
The force of an attack really depends on how strong you are. Only reason they can amplify our strength is due to abusing of surface area, especially in the case of sharp, pointy blade-like weapons.
So, do soldiers throughout history have Superhuman combat speed? Since I am pretty damn sure they can react to sword slashes from other opponents.
Boxers already have Superhuman punching speed with the absolute swiftest of humans possessing Subsonic reactions. Your point is?
Because they are explictly trained that way. But a typical human can reach Superhuman speed with a sword quite easily.
Yeah, and trained humans can easily dodge those attacks without issue.
Heh, so "Peak Human" isn't really that peak human I guess.
More like an exception just happened with Baki's side.
This and the adressed issue does make me question of the value of a Superhuman speed tag... I mean, it isn't Superhuman if humans can do that, and from more than one source.
