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About Power Null, EE and Resistance.

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So there is this thing that is quite common within the community and that is resistance is always applicable. So Reisistance to Power Nullification will always stop Power Nullification and Resistance to EE will always stop EE.

Note:Im gonna throw tiers out the window here. Everything i say will be under the assumption that the resistance is stronger than the ability, so im gonna eliminate the possibility of the ability being strong enough to break through the resistance.

So what i mean by that is due to the different types of Power Null or Existence Erasure. Im gonna start with some examples to make the point clear.

1. Reality Warping can have a ton of applications, 1 of them being erasure. So it is possible for a reality warper to erase someone (let's say he rewrites reality so that you "in the present" don't exist, it has to be in the present though, the past shouldn't be affected). That is definitely Existence Erasure and ok it makes sense, you don't exist anymore, you were erased.

2. Beerus from Dragon Ball is capable of erasing people via Hakkai. He uses Hakkai to completely destroy your body and soul, and since without a body and without a soul there is nothing left you don't exist. There is nothing in this world that is yours, everything was destroyed, that is also a qualification for EE and sure it makes sense for it to be.

Now this is where the "making sense" stops. Using Resistance to 1 of those type of erasures to counter the other. Someone who can resist getting reality warped out of existence logically shouldn't be able to resist getting destroyed out of existence. Since the mechanics of each of those powers aren't the same it wouldn't be safe or logical to equalize both resistances.

Now onto the Power Nullification.

Resistance to Power Nullification is used really widely. And while i understand the equalization for the most part here since there are so many ways power null can be used, there is still the fact that this cannot go overboard. Im gonna talk about 3 different types of power null:

1. Is the casual one. The most used one. That is "make your opponent unable to use his powers" or make his powers unable to activate. This is power null.

2. Is type 2 sealing. Sealing your opponents abilities so that he is unable to unlock them (kind of like downgrading every character before they "unleashed their potential") with your powers sealed there is rly nothing you can do, your powers are unusable, so it's a version of power null, it can be called that.

3. Is Power Manipulation (rip za page) power null. And that is to manipulate the power itself so that it becomes useless. To make the power not deal dmg, so that the power works, it's just that the effect was modified so that you don't get the desired effect. This is another version of power null.

Now equalizing these 3 Resistances is completely off in the logic departament. If someone can resist "becoming unable to use their powers" then he resists the 1st version, though there is nothing to say that he can resist having his powers sealed somewhere, having his powers erased or having his powers completely manipulated from top to bottom to a point where it's not the same power anymore, there is nothing that would logically lead to someone who resists the 1st version also resists all the other types of power null. Due to their mechanics.

Now im not saying this for nothing, this is being used on a lot of characters though this does lead to problems overall, i'll just give some examples here:

Goku is resistant to ANY existence erasure as long as it's below 2-C. He resisted hakkai, that means he can also resists reality getting re-written so that he doesn't exist, or even having "his existence being the cause of his non existence" ( Causality Manipulation ) or even conceptual manipulation (he is resistant to getting kicked from the concept of existence and being thrown into the concept of non existence) etc etc. That is a problem. He did resist the Hakkai sure, he resisted hakkai via being physically stronger, that doesn't mean he can resist ALL forms of existence erasure.

Bookmaker is a screw that resisted getting Erased from existence (probs via some kind of reality warping or whatever it was). This means that no amount of raw strength (tiers don't count in this example) will be able to break that screw, so even if you have some 3-A potency of raw power, you will still be unable to break a single piece of metal. That's not how it works. Bookmaker resisted getting erased cus it is part of a mentality that gives it resistance to getting reality warped out of existence, that's not to say that it is immune to any kind of possible destruction you can inflict on it.

Kumagawa Misogi resisted becoming normal and he also resisted having his powers erased. Both of which are types of Power Null. Now does that mean that he is completely immune (immune cus tiers are invalidated) to having his powers manipulated or having them sealed? No. Raf-Raflessia which has the same traits as Kumagawa's abilities, was able to be manipulated by power manipulation, which means it's not immune to power manipulation, and even if that weren't the case, there is nothing to suggest that Minus' cannot be made so that they stop dealing dmg, if their capabilities can be manipulated there would be nothing to suggest resistance to Power Null via Power Manip.

These are just 3 cases that show why equalization of resistances cannot be a thing. This is being used a lot even though it does not make logical sense. Vs Battles uses arguments to find out who would be the most likely winner if they were to fight...though....equalizing resistances is not the best way to find the one who would be "more likely" to win.
 
Existence Erasure means to make something completely vanish, be turned to nothingness. If it's only the physical body then it's physical erasure, if it's in body and soul it's physical and spiritual etc.
 
Ok cool. So if someone has magic which stated able to destroy both soul and body ? it's EE right ?
 
No

Existence erasure is a method, not an outcome.

Hitting someone's soul and body until both are destroyed is not EE. It's just soul manipulation + AP
 
Well if it's magic that can destroy both body and soul it's still EE.

Hakkai is EE

PoD is EE

If im not mistaken Tubal Cain's corrosion is EE (don't remember).
 
Tubal's corrosion isn't EE

Hakai and PoD are EE because they explicitly erase, not because " it's magic that can destroy both body and soul"
 
Monarch Laciel said:
No
Existence erasure is a method, not an outcome.

Hitting someone's soul and body until both are destroyed is not EE. It's just soul manipulation + AP
Soul destruction+AP sound, right. But what if those magic can affect non-corporeal beings as well ?
 
Also how about magic that can Vaporize/atomize both body and soul ? it's still Soul destruction+AP ?
 
But what if those magic can affect non-corporeal beings as well ?

Then it's non-physical interaction.

Also how about magic that can Vaporize/atomize both body and soul ? it's still Soul destruction+AP ?

Yes, but it may be matter manipulation for vaporizing/atomizing the body.
 
The only problem is EE and Atomization are Almost similiar in visual perspective. But thankfully we can use context in some verse.
 
I agree. However it's hard to quantify the potency of most hax and their corresponding resistance.
 
Firephoenixearl said:
The God Of Procrastination said:
I think that the requirement for it being existence erasure is violating conservation of mass/energy.
Huh? What do you mean?
i think like this.

random guy 1: How much energy required to fully erase someone from existence ?

random guy 2: Impossible, matter can neither be created nor destroyed.
 
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