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I agree with the OP as well,it seems very clearly the destruction would be caused by countless smaller attacks over an unspecified amount of time,and the calc assumes it's a single blast.
 
@Sigurd

I already explained why that isn't the case. The dragon cry is only the magic of all the dead dragons that acnologia killed in that cave, zash used that magic power to power up his magic circle that covered the whole of the continent in which spread out the destructive capabilities of dragon cry.

Animus with fully absorbed dragon cry should be able to release all that magic power into a single attack, in which would be High-6A.
 
Nothing literally says that Dragon Cry is fired in one blast. We are literally shown by Zash what Dragon Cry does. Zash literally says "Dragon Cry, show me your true power!" as he wields the staff and activates it. It then fires into the sky and makes all the magic circles. You would be wrong, the magic circles are through Dragon Cry as we are directly shown. Animus activates Dragon Cry as well and it begins firing from thos magic circles.

There is no single blast like you think.
 
@iMade

There is nothing that says the magic circle are from the dragon cry itself. The dragon cry has been explained again and again to be nothing but the magic power of all the deceased dragons into a single object. Zash saying "Dragon Cry, show me your true power" has nothing to do with the magic circle, but has something to do with the amount of magic power that the dragon cry holds. Zash used all those magic power to activate the magic circle and used the dragon cry as the source for that magic circle. What the magic circle did was spread out the destructive capabilities of the dragon cry, instead of using it in a single attack.

Animus with fully absorbed dragon cry should be able to release all the magic power of dragon cry, in which would be a High-6A destruction.
 
@Cal

I disagree, the dragon cry is not a spell, but a magic source. If we gonna rate something to the likes of lord boros's ship, then it would be the magic circles and not the dragon cry itself.
 
Dragon Cry is an energy source, and when it's true power is activated as stated by Zash and demonstrated by Zash and Animus, it activates magical circles all over Ishgar that fire upon the continent and would eventually destroy it over time. There is no 6-A feat anymore.
 
@iMade

>Dragon Cry is an energy source

>it activates magical circles

Choose one

There is nothing that says that those magic circles came from the dragon cry itself, you have no proof for this claim. The dragon cry was stated again and again to be the magic power of all the deceased dragons that acnologia killed in that cave. The magic circles came from zash and animus, not the dragon cry.

Animus with fully absorbed dragon cry, should be High-6A and there is no justification for his downgrade since he is powered up by the dragon cry in which is the magic power of all the deceased dragons.
 
>There is nothing that says that those magic circles came from the dragon cry itself, you have no proof for this claim.


This is false, when Zash activates Dragon Cry and literally says "Dragon Cry, show me your true power" it fires a beam into the sky that then creates all the magic circles. There is no 6-A feat and no justification that it fires all it's storage of magical energy in one blast. It's an attack done over time. You would need to prove it fires all at once and that Animus is capable of firing it all at once.
 
@iMade

"This is false, when Zash activates Dragon Cry and literally says "Dragon Cry, show me your true power" it fires a beam into the sky that then creates all the magic circles."

That simply zash using the dragon cry to activate the magic circle, and not something that the dragon cry made.

Zash saying "Dragon Cry, show me your true power" has nothing to do with the magic circle like i said before, he is simply talking about the amount of power that the dragon cry holds.

"You would need to prove it fires all at once and that Animus is capable of firing it all at once."

Dragon cry was stated to hold magic power that is comparable to multiple etherion blasts, and animus absorbed all that magic power into himself. If he is able to release all that power at once, it would be able to destroy the whole of ishgar like it was stated it would do when it was used with the magic circle.

Edit: In fairy tail it has been shown on multiple times that someone is able to release all their magic power at once, but they will run out of magic after their attack.
 
'''Yawns''' u guys have been going around in a circle for quite some time so how about we just wait for calc/knowledgeable members see what they think
 
I'm just debunking the claims that are made in this thread since they don't really make any sense and are in no shape and form a real justification for a downgrade.

Dragon cry was stated to be the magic power of all the deceased dragons that acnologia killed in that cave and their total magic power was compared to multiple etherion blasts. If dragon cry was used with the magic circle, it was stated that it would be able to destroy the whole of ishgar. But the magic circle does not release all the powers of the dragon cry at once, instead it spreads out the destructive capabilities of the dragon cry.

But animus absorbed the whole of dragon cry and all the magic power it holds, he should now be able to release all that power in a single attack if he wants to and is no longer restricted by a magic circle. So there is no reason for a downgrade, since we already know that if all the magic power of dragon cry was released it would yield a High-6A destructive feat.
 
BlackeJan said:
Yawns u guys have been going around in a circle for quite some time so how about we just wait for calc/knowledgeable members see what they think
We can wait for staff, three have commented so far with one agreeing it's no longer 6-A.

There is no 6-A feat for Dragon Cry anymore and we literally have a demonstration of Dragon Cry's capabilities which is not a singular large blast that can destroy a continent, rather it's several blast over a continent over the course of an unknown time-frame. Any notion that it can fire one condensed blast is headcanon since there is no such statement nor feat of it doing so, it's pure extrapolation and it's why no one has posted any evidence for it, cause it can't be proven.
 
@iMade

Those that agreed so far are only rushing the guns, they have not seen all the arguements made. I have also made a great arguement for why there is no need for a downgrade, and you have not brought me any proof for any of your claims.
 
Since the magic circles seemed to be equidistant, would it be possible to find out the number of them that is required to cover Ishgar and simply add the AP value of each blast in a single salvo together as the output?
 
KaiserReinhardt said:
@iMade
Those that agreed so far are only rushing the guns, they have not seen all the arguements made. I have also made a great arguement for why there is no need for a downgrade, and you have not brought me any proof for any of your claims.
You haven't made an argument really since you're arguing off of headcanon and haven't put up scans to support your idea when the OP already has their scans that disprove it's a singular blast.

@AnonymousBlank

Would be impossible since the circles don't cover every inch of Fiore, the damage done by each circle varies, they fire repeated blast from the same circle to the same spots and it is done over time.
 
I mean all together could destroy Ishgar, which is the calc we have, which I believe is completely fine, and makes sense in the verse
 
@iMade

"You haven't made an argument really since you're arguing off of headcanon and haven't put up scans to support your idea when the OP already has their scans that disprove it's a singular blast."

I'm the one going by hedcanon? It's you that are making claims saying that dragon cry and the magic circle are one and the same when in reality that doesn't seem to be the case. The dragon cry was stated to be a power source and not a magic ability, you are the one who needs a scan for your claims.

Dragon Cry11
I have already posted this picture, were zash was stating that "The entire continent is a magic circle" in which tells us that they have already made a magic circle that covers the whole of ishgar and are using the dragon cry to power up that magic circle.


Edit: The dragon cry was stated to hold magic power comparable to multiple etherion blast and that if it was used with the magic circle, it would have destroy the whole of ishgar. But animus has absorbed all that magical powers onto himself, and are now able to release enough magical powers to destroy the whole of ishgar if he wants to. In which would a High-6A destructive feat.
 
Kaiser is correct, the whole Power would be able to destroy Ishgar, if the power was used all at once, the point is that, Natsu, Acnologia, and Zeref contains power greater than that, contained in their techniques, meaning they're hitting with all that power at once, which would be High 6-A
 
Kaiser seems to make sense. Dragon Cry is a power source of High 6-A power. Worst case scenario, this will only downgrade Zesh.
 
Speaking of Zash, how come his Mind Control isn't mentioned to bypass Magic Resistance? Mind whammying a dragon immune to magic with magic seems like a pretty decent feat that should be noted.
 
Dragon Cry is a power source, yet when activated it does not yield High 6-A in a singular blast. We are literally given a demonstration of it's capabilities and it works by a barrage of magical blast over the continent over the course of an unknown time-frame. This is not 6-A.

The statement about it being able to destroy Ishgar is correct, but it's headcanon to believe it does it in one strike when the actual feat shows it being done over time with several barrages of magical blast. There is no 6-A feat.
 
@iMade

You're only repeating yourself at this point, i have already said why the dragon cry was unable to release all it's powers. When the dragon cry was used with the magic circle, it's destructive capabilities were limited with what the magic circle can do. The magic circle is unable to release all the power of the dragon cry, and those it was restricted.

But animus who has absorbed all of the dragon cry is able to release it's full power if he wants to. The dragon cry holds enough magical powers to destroy the whole of ishgar, which is a High-6A feat and animus was able to absorb all that magical powers to himself. In which would make him High-6A, and he is able to release all that power if he wants to.
 
There are nothing that indicated zash to choose to spread out the destructive capabilities of dragon cry, yes dragon cry can destroy Ishgar and can covered the whole continent of ishgar with magical circle, but by feat it can only destroy Ishgar by bombarding Ishgar by multiple barrage of magical attack over time and not at once, the current feat show no contradiction with mutliple statment about dragon cry destrutive capability since there are no single statment who said dragon cry has the power to one shot Ishgar, just destroy Ishgar and you can destroy Ishgar by bombing the entire contiment with multiple barrage of magical attack.
 
As I said Above destroying Ishgar with 1 blast will need way more energy than destroying Ishgar with multiple city block attack and shot those city block blast across the continent and even if dragon cry only use 1/100 of its power to do so it will still produce way less energy than busting Ishgar at once with 1 blast.
 
@MachTwo

Dragon Cry |=| Magic circle. They're 2 different things, and not the same thing.

The dragon cry is a magic source which holds enough power to destroy the whole of ishgar, in other words it's a High-6A power source.

The dragon cry itself does not spawn any magic circles and have not been stated to be able to, it's only classified as a magic source and not as a magic ability.

The magic circles is something created by the kingdom of stella and has nothing to do with the dragon cry. They wanted to use the magic powers from the dragon cry to power up their magic circle, in which would restrict the dragon cry from releasing all of it's powers.

But animus who has absorbed the whole of dragon cry has no problem with releasing it's full powers if he wants to, in which would make him a High-6A.
 
Again this is going nowhere. The way I'm seeing it 97% of the people here agree w/ the OPNahile the rest doesn't (I guess there were other calc members that also agreed w/ the OP) so there nothing really to go by here cause again y'all r repeating yourselves
 
@BlackeJan

The people who agreed with the op are only jumping the guns, they have yet to see all the arguements that have been made in this thread.
 
I think you misinterpretive

Think it this way, even country level monster will hold the power to destroy our current world since there are nothing we can do to stop it and given time that mosnter can destroy everthing we know in our world, but that mosnter himself is only country level, not planet level despite have the power to wipe out our world it just not going to do wipe out our world with 1 attack.

More or less the same with dragon cry, yes it have the power to destroy ishgar but how it doing it is never being stated, it can destroy ishgar with 1 attack or doing it with over time with multiple city block attack and shot those city block blast across the continent. both way is a valid option to destroy ishgar and not contraditing with anything.

"The magic circles is something created by the kingdom of stella and has nothing to do with the dragon cry"

Zash use dragon cry as power source to created those magical circles and even King Animus himself use those magic circles to boost his AP as his last attempt to overpowered Natsu, but noone of them show ability to one shot Ishgar

"But animus who has absorbed the whole of dragon cry has no problem with releasing it's full powers if he wants to, in which would make him a High-6A"

So what? As I said Above destroying Ishgar with 1 blast will need way more energy than destroying Ishgar with multiple city block attack and shot those city block blast across the continent and destroying Ishgar with multiple city block blast will not contraditing with any of dragon cry statement.
 
KaiserReinhardt said:
@BlackeJan

The people who agreed with the op are only jumping the guns, they have yet to see all the arguements that have been made in this thread.
Or they could have seen it and decided not to comemnt
 
@MachTwo

I think you're confused about what dragon cry even is so let me tell you what it really is.

The dragon cry is the magical power of all the dragons that acnologia killed in that cave, it's comparable to multiple etherion blast. When the dragon cry was used togther with the magic circle, it was stated that it would be able to destroy the whole of ishgar. To be able to destroy ishgar, it would mean that the dragon cry holds magical powers on the level of a High-6A.

But this is what you're failing to understand. The dragon cry is only a magical source and not a ability, so it can't be used to spawn some circles in the sky on it's own. The magic circles is a something that came from the kingdom of stella, not something that was created by dragon cry. The dragon cry is unable to create magic circles since it's only a magic source, it's not a magical ability.

Dragon Cry |=| Magic Circles They're not the same thing. If something is gonna be downgraded, it would be the magic circles and Zash. The magic circles needs to be downgraded since it's unable to release the full power of the dragon cry.

But animus will have to stay High-6A since he was fully able to absorb the dragon cry and now holds magic powers capable of destroying the whole of ishgar if he was to release it. Also he is fully able to release the full power of dragon cry if he so wish to. Many magic users have shown to be able to release all their magic powers if they want to, but they will run out of magic.
 
The magical circles it self hold significant power of dragon cry

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yp2tTd7xIhs

Skip to 1.55

King Animus use the same magical circles to boost his power level as his last attempt to overpowered natsu, if those magical circles only hold a fraction of dragon cry power then he has no reason to do so, and as I said there there are nothing who contraditing with anything with curret showing on how dragon cry will destroy Ishgar nor there are not a single statement who said it can one shot Ishgar.
 
We are literally what Animus can do with Dragon Cry when he activates it and uses it. All it did was fire magical blast from magic circles all over Ishgar. This isn't 6-A.

There are no means of saying Dragon Cry is capable of putting out 6-A AP in a singular blast when there is no feat supporting it, no statement supporting and actual demonstration of Dragon Cry being lower than 6-A.

It would be head canon to assume otherwise when we have evidence against it.
 
@MachTwo

He is only retrieving whatever magic powers left in those magic circles, you can see this by the fact that they stopped shooting. In other words, they no longer hold any magic left in those magic circles.

Dragon Cry |=| Magic Circles. They have nothing to do with each other unless you have evidence stating so. The dragon cry is a magic source and the magic circles are a ability, they're completly different.

@iMade

"If something is gonna be downgraded, it would be the magic circles and Zash. The magic circles needs to be downgraded since it's unable to release the full power of the dragon cry."

The dragon cry won't be downgraded since it's a magical power that is able to destroy a whole continent like ishgar if released at once, so it will stay High-6A.

Animus won't be downgraded either since he fully absorbed dragon cry and is now hold enough power to destroy the whole of ishgar if he was to release it. Magic users have shown to be able to release all their magical powers, and animus is not a exception from this rule.
 
Just wanna point out, that the earlier formula we were using, was wrong about how you destroy countries, the current calc, puts the destruction of Fiore at 736 Teratons, not 205 Teratons, so if Dragon Cry was just a little bit stronger than Etherion, it would be 6-A and higher

Regardless, Natsu, Zeref, and Acnologia, are greater than the sum of all the Dragon Cry explosions combined, that is why they are High 6-A, the power of Dragon Cry is spread out, while they are one whole, also if Dragon Cry is several Dozen times more powerful than Etherion, it would at the very least make it 24x stronger which would be High 6-A
 
That's mean Dragon Cry has use significant portion of its power to bombardment Ishgar with multiple city block blast which as I said will need no were near the amount of energy Dragon Cry required to one shot Ishgar with 1 massive blast, not to mention even after use significant portion of its power to bombardment Ishga, it still has not close to destroy Ishgar.

Dragon Cry |=| Magic Circles

I said the Magic Circles use dragon cry power as its power source to bombardment Ishgar with multiple city block blast, plus if you looks at King Animus vs Natsu fight, Natsu itself dominating King Animus with easy even after he has take dragon cry power and he only become almost as powerful as Natsu and even can hold for several seconds against Natsu strongest attack after King Animus use some of those Magic Circles who he use to bombardment Ishgar to further powering him up, before that natsu easily dominating him with casual atack.
 
@MachTwo

The dragon cry is a magic source that holds enough energy to destroy the whole of ishgar, in other words it's a High-6A magic power. It depends on who uses it.

If the magic circle uses the dragon cry, it can only do so little damage over a greater time. If the etherion were to use the dragon cry as it's source, the dragon cry would be able to do large country level up to continent level damage.

If animus were to use the dragon cry, he would be able to release it's full power in which would be High-6A.

The dragon cry is only a magic source, it's restricted based on it's user. If something is gonna be downgraded it would be the magic circle and zash, not animus.

Also the natsu that fought animus is not a normal natsu, it's dragonification natsu. His powers were boosted greatly, and he should be equal in strenght with animus if not greater since he was able to defeat him.
 
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