About Dragon Cry

[Dat_Dot]

In a recent Fairy Tail calc we had assumed the magic of Dragon Cry from the self titled movie "Fairy Tail Dragon Cry" had the power to destroy the continent of Ishgar based on multiple statement from the movie.

Here are some of those statements:



However, while Dragon Cry did have the power to destroy Ishgar, in said recent FT calc we had assumed Dragon Cry could do this destruction with just one blast which is completely false given that King Animus (wielder of Dragon Cry) did actually fire Dragon Cry upon Ishgar:



As you can see instead of destroying the continent of Ishgar with one massive blast, Dragon Cry instead fires barrages of magical energy to bombard Ishgar (similar to what Zamasu did in Dragon Ball Super when he bombarded the planet with his many faces). On top of this, even after several minutes of bombardment, Dragon Cry had still not destroyed Ishgar since you can see it still firing barrages of magical energy in the background:


Here is the rest of the fight for those interested:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yp2tTd7xIhs

You can see Dragon Cry still bombarding Ishgar wth barrages of magical energy all while Natsu is fighting against King Animus. Of course Dragon Cry is still capable to destroing Ishgar, but one shotting the entire continent will require a lot more energy than a literal bombardment done over time. The entire mechanic of Dragon Cry pretty much seemed to be a bombardment of magical blast each capable of city block to multi-city block destruction done over an unknown amount of time (it had to have been a very long time too since despite several minutes of bombardment there wasn't any lasting damage done to Ishgar).

Again, I have no doubt that Dragon Cry could destroy all of the continent of Ishgar. However, by it's current showing it clearly is not capable of doing so in one massive blast. The current calc is invalid since we can't assume it can destroy Ishgar in one shot as the current feats say otherwise. On top of this, the calc assumes that King Animus has durability and AP in his regular attacks of a level equivalent to destroying Ishgar, thus Natsu scales to Dragon Cry through King Animus. As you can see in their fight, neither King Animus nor Natsu showing anything to scale their AP nor durability to an equivalence of destroying Ishgar in one attack since Dragon Cry isn't capable of such a thing. So at best, it would be eventual High 6-A environmental damage for King Animus which neither Natsu nor King Animus scale for actual AP.

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

I'm agree with this.

 

[AstralKing7]

interesting interesting

 

[DragonEmperor23]

Isn't the entirety of the attack High 6-A in total? How would this change anything?

 

[IMadeThisOn8-1-2017]

I am in agreement with this (I should've rewatched the movie now that I think about it when I was doing my other calc on Dragon Cry).

Now what would this downgrade them to if accepted? Wasn't the previous Tier setting calc 6-C? Or was it 6-B?

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

It's 6-B as i remember.

 

[MachTwo]

I agree with this since it clearly not capable to destroy Ishgar in one blast.

 

[MachTwo]

Isn't the entirety of the attack High 6-A in total? How would this change anything?

This is false, since one blast capable to one shooting continent will destroy area with a size of thousands of kilometers in length x width x height, but bombardment that said continent with as example city level attack will only destroy area with a size of thousands of kilometers in Length x width x but only several kilometers in height since city level explosion will only destroy the surface and can't reach thousands of kilometers above. :/

 

[AstralKing7]

Isn't the entirety of the attack High 6-A in total? How would this change anything?

i thought the same as well cause i remember another FT calc where natsu has a 8A calc from repeated attacks

 

[DragonEmperor23]

I still don't get it. If Multiple blasts = High 6-A = Dragon Cry = Animus then it literally changes nothing since the attack does High 6-A damage and Animus has all of that High 6-A power.

 

[Dat_Dot]

No, the calc assume it's High 6-A in a single blast, which isn't the case.

 

[DemonGodMitchAubin]

For One, the full power wasn't released, as well the Blasts could all launch at once immediately destroying everything at once, however if this is unlikely then it would need to be changed

While this may change the tier of Dragonififcation Natsu and Animus, it wouldn't change for Fairy Heart Zeref, Natsu's strongest Forms, or Acnologia, while Dragon Cry itself is spread out, Zeref who has the Space Between Time, and Fairy Heart which are stronger then Dragon Cry, has his power contained in a small increment, so it would still make them High 6-A, because all the power that is equal to Dragon Cry, would be all at once

 

[MachTwo]

To put in simple imagine Dragon cry can one shot destroy 1000km continent That explosion from said explosion will destroy 1000km in length x 1000km in width x 1000km in height

1000x1000x1000x= 1000000000 Km area will be destroy

But in this case it will be 1000km in length x 1000km in width x maybe 2km in height since the blast wont reach 1000km above so the results will be 1000kmx 1000km x 2km = just 2000000 Km area will be destroy

 

[IMadeThisOn8-1-2017]

That wouldn't yield 6-A either since they wouldn't have a 6-A feat.

The only reason 6-A was on the table was because we thought that Dragon Cry could destroy Ishgar in one attack. Since it clearly cannot, nothing says that Zeref with Fairy Heart or Ravines of Time would be capable of it now, we just know it's stated to be the best magic, superior to even Dragon Cry.

 

[DragonEmperor23]

I think I get it. So only Animus and Dragon Natsu would be downgraded.

 

[Captain_Torch]

Zash(or whatever the hell his name is) condensed Dragon Cry's power to spread the attacks throughout the whole continent.

And animus didn't even absorb the entirety of Dragon Cry, since thousands of circles were still throughout the continent. So Dragonification Natsu and Animus should be downgraded.

Having said that, FH Zeref and RoT Acno should still scale, give they are superior to Dragon Cry, the full output of which is High 6-A.

 

[Theglassman12]

Umm, no. If this is correct, everyone that scales to Dragon Cry would be downgraded.

 

[IMadeThisOn8-1-2017]

No, Natsu Dragneel (Dragonification | Savage Dragon Fire | Seven Flames Dragon Mode), Zeref Igneel (Fairy Heart), Animus (Dragon Cry), Acnologia (Dragon | Human Post Space Between Time Absorption | Dragon Post Space Between Time Absorption) and Igneel.

All of these would be affected as they no longer have a 6-A calc/feat to support their ranking.

 

[Captain_Torch]

Dragon Cry is still dozens of times stronger than Etherion, so as I originally said, I think using the mutliplier is more correct.

 

[BlackeJan]

I think I get it. So only Animus and Dragon Natsu would be downgraded.

No that would also mean that the God Tiers would also be downgraded as well since the reason they even gotten that tier was solely b/c of Dragon Cry

 

[DragonEmperor23]

So if Dragon's Cry in total does High 6-A damage and Acnologia and Zeref are > Dragon's Cry in Total then why would they be downgraded?

 

[IMadeThisOn8-1-2017]

Dragon Cry is still dozens of times stronger than Etherion, so as I originally said, I think using the mutliplier is more correct.

That statement would be disregarded as the actual feat doesn't support the statement. Perhaps it is "stronger than Etherion" in that Etherion is stated to destroy a country while Dragon Cry can destroy a continent... but destroy it over time with a bombardment of smaller blasts.

 

[Theglassman12]

That's not how we do AP. If dragon cry can only do that via eventually destroying it via numerous attacks, and not in one blast, we don't just give it the High 6-A tier just because it will get to destroying the entire continent.

 

[BlackeJan]

Again cause the reason why they even b/c that tier was solely cause of Dragon Cry. We had gotten the calc for Fiore and more for Dragon Cry and when we gotten High 6-A, we pushed the God tiers as well

 

[DemonGodMitchAubin]

Yeah that's the thing, Dragon Cry spreads out across the whole Continent and destroys it, Zeref would have ALL that power contained at once, so he is equal to the entire sum of all Dragon Cry Blasts, which can Destroy the Continent of Ishgar, so only Dragonification Natsu and Animus would be downgraded

 

[IMadeThisOn8-1-2017]

So if Dragon's Cry in total does High 6-A damage and Acnologia and Zeref are > Dragon's Cry in Total then why would they be downgraded?

Dragon Cry is High 6-A damage over an unquantifiable amount of time. In actuality it is a bunch of city block to multi-city block destroying blast being spammed over the continent for an unknown period. We only know that the God Tiers are above Dragon Cry, so they're above a a bunch of city block to multi-city block destroying blast being spammed over the continent for an unknown period. It doesn't yield 6-A anymore.

 

[DragonEmperor23]

Yeah, what Aubin said. Acno & Zeref > Total Dragon Cry = High 6-A

 

[MachTwo]

You will need a lot more energy to one shot continent than all the energy you will need to destroy that said continent with example city level bombardment. :/

 

[DragonEmperor23]

So does the destruction of a continent not yield high 6-A in total if it's over time? Wouldn't the end result still be the same?

 

[IMadeThisOn8-1-2017]

Nothing says that in one attack Acno and Zeref are above the total output of Dragon Cry's damage being done over time. We only know that Ravines of Time and Fairy Heart are superior to Dragon Cry, so we know that Ravines of Time and Fairy Heart are above a bunch of city block to multi-city block destroying blasts being spammed over the continent for an unknown period.

 

[MachTwo]

To put in simple imagine Dragon cry can one shot destroy 1000km continent
That explosion from said explosion will destroy 1000km in length x 1000km in width x 1000km in height

1000x1000x1000x= 1000000000 Km area will be destroy

But in this case it will be 1000km in length x 1000km in width x maybe 2km in height since the blast wont reach 1000km above so the results will be 1000kmx 1000km x 2km = just 2000000 Km area will be destroy

City level attack where each blast can only destroy 2 square kilometers will only reach 2 km above or in height no matter how many times you shot it, meanwhile continent level attack will destroy area with the size of 1000km in length x 1000km in width x 1000km in height. :/

 

[Captain_Torch]

The only difference is that Dragon Cry's power was condensed so that it has range over all of Ishgar. Given that Dragon Cry is a power source, it should be capable of outputing that much energy in one attack. Zash condensed it so that it would have range over all of ishgar, that's all.

So the statement should still fly. We know that the overall power is dozens of times stronger than etherion, and that it can be condensed into smaller blasts.

 

[BlackeJan]

Yeah that's the thing, Dragon Cry spreads out across the whole Continent and destroys it, Zeref would have ALL that power contained at once, so he is equal to the entire sum of all Dragon Cry Blasts, which can Destroy the Continent of Ishgar, so only Dragonification Natsu and Animus would be downgraded

Where in the absolute world did u get this at? Again they have that tier SOLEY on the fact of Dragon Cry so if this is a downgrade then so is the God Tiers. We go right back to how they were b4 since Etherion cannon is At Least 6-B, Likely High 6-B

 

[MachTwo]

Example explosion A will need 8 times more energy to match Explosion B who is 2 times bigger in diameter(2 length x 2 width x 2 height) but Explosion B will only destroy 4 times more surface area of a continent(2 length x 2 width) so in short to destroy continent with 4 surface area you will only need 4 Explosion A who is only contain half the power of Explosion B.

 

[IMadeThisOn8-1-2017]

You would need to prove that Fairy Heart and Ravines of Times would be able to output in one attack something equivalent to a condensed Dragon Cry's total output done over time. However, nothing supports that. The only reason Fairy Heart and Ravines of Times were even above Dragon Cry was because of a statement for both saying they're the best sources of magics, nothing above them specifically outputting more damage in one attack than all of Dragon Cry does over time.

 

[Captain_Torch]

FT mages have shown mutliple times to be able to output all of the magic power in one blow, which is quite often how they are scaled.

Such as LFDM Natsu on Tenrou for example.

Same with Dragon Cry. We have a direct statement of it being at least 12x stronger than Etherion, which should fly. The fact that it was condensed for better range doesn't discredit the statement of it's full power.

 

[DragonEmperor23]

Dozens would be 24X as it is 2 sets of 12 at the least.

 

[IMadeThisOn8-1-2017]

We saw it's full power however. Nothing indicates that Dragon Cry in one blast was stronger than Etherion.

We can interpret that statement of stronger than Etherion meaning that it has greater destructive capacity than Etherion.. because that is technically true. Dragon Cry would have greater destruction over time.

 

[DemonGodMitchAubin]

It has far more magic than Etherion, and could be releaseed in one blast, that's how Fairy Tail works, the more power you have the more damage you can do in one shot

 

[Captain_Torch]

It was already established that Fairy Tail mages can output their magic power in one attack.

Just because it was more covenient to use Dragon Cry over a bigger range, doesn't disprove a direct statement of it being superior to Etherion in magic power, a.k.a in full output as well