Pikaman
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infinity as a concept is a complete trip and I don’t think we pause and think about that enough tbh
that damn hotel riddle still fries my brain
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A very specific question.
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that damn hotel riddle still fries my brain
Sniper670
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I've created a seperate thread for this question.
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Link?
Edit: nvm I've found it
Edit: nvm I've found it
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idk man
Infinite universe = infinite size universe
Infinite universes = infinite universes
that's what i can tell in the scans
and like others said the other scans seem to be just Temporal Omnipresence
anyway regarding infinite people and infinite choices
that's a very specific assumption. Infinite universe/space doesn't always mean it has infinite people just like what oblivion said about infinite planet doesn't mean infinite earth either. going there is equivalent to wild guessing
so at best I could see this as 2-B if parallel universe does exist for every decision unless someone claims there is infinite possibilities and each possibility creates a parallel or branching independent timeline
Infinite universe = infinite size universe
Infinite universes = infinite universes
that's what i can tell in the scans
and like others said the other scans seem to be just Temporal Omnipresence
anyway regarding infinite people and infinite choices
that's a very specific assumption. Infinite universe/space doesn't always mean it has infinite people just like what oblivion said about infinite planet doesn't mean infinite earth either. going there is equivalent to wild guessing
so at best I could see this as 2-B if parallel universe does exist for every decision unless someone claims there is infinite possibilities and each possibility creates a parallel or branching independent timeline
Pikaman
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Well say each planet has a 0.00000001% chance of being an exact replica of earth or whatever, then 0.00000001% of these infinite planets will be exact replicas of earth, and 0.000000001% of infinity is… infinity.
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yeah but even being an exact replica doesn't mean it also possesses humans or lifeforms. and different lifeforms might blossom there that are not humans. also by saying there are infinite planets you basically fill infinite space since infinite is still infinite. infinite humans (unless some of them are incorporeal and don't need to exist physically) would still fill an infinite spaced universe. Can't you see the issue there already with extraordinary claims?
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You do know all life forms could make choices right? Not just human choices count ya know?
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We don’t assume an infinite number of planets have life on them just because the universe is infinite in size. The verse would need to specify this is the case. So what Greatsage is describing would be really high into 2-B but not 2-A.
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Except we can assume that easily due to how Infinity works. I really want to see a thread where the wiki is stated to ignore stuff like this. Cause that's what you're suggesting we do, just ignore a ket aspect of Infinity.
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This would probably be High 1-B with these dumb standards but no one will accept it
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nothing said anything about infinitely transcending
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There is a statement that's states that everything began with a limitless state. So don't assume that there is a limit to planets when space is boundless
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Agreed
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Uncountable infinity
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Not necessarily. For instance, you can have an infinite set of 3s and you won’t find a 2 in it.
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That's very subjective, narrow and extremely specific. That doesn't debunk the universe from having an infinite configurations nor planets
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It's called math.
It kinda does since it's also proof that something infinite doesn't inherently account for every possible element, which was the bulk of the Low 1-C debate above.
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Cat275
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In the reference didn't he said that there are different possible elements? (Technically)
Or are you guys talking about something else?
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Except you have to limit it to an Infinite set of 3 to get that kind of result.
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There’s nothing subjective about it. If there is no 2 in the set then there’s no 2, simple as that. Something being an infinite size doesn’t mean it has an infinite number of every other components within it. You’re making the positive claim that because the universe is infinite in size, that means it has an infinite amount of life on it, which the burden is on you to prove. A universe could be infinite in size and very well consist of finite galaxies, stars, etc. with the rest of that space being empty.
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It's irrelevant to bring an infinite set of 3s up for something as broad as this.
You can't expect that from the limitless state of the beginning, everything began without limits, then depending on context Azathoth/Daoloth kickstarted the creation of the infinite universe followed by dimensions. You'd think a limitless source would just create an infinite universe and left everything else finite? That's very inconsistent and illogical.
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I mean infinite universes are common but literally only has one planet where everything else happens all the time.
Thats why the burden of proof is for the one making the claim that there are infinite planets to house infinite lifeforms.
It doesnt matter where everything originated from the creator would only create what he needs or wants to create not what is the maximum he can
Thats why the burden of proof is for the one making the claim that there are infinite planets to house infinite lifeforms.
It doesnt matter where everything originated from the creator would only create what he needs or wants to create not what is the maximum he can
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You’re arguing from incredulity. As GreatJedi pointed out, the creator of an infinite universe could’ve created a finite amount of life in it because that’s all they wanted to create.
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The question is, how can there be a creator to create the boundless realm with finite life if there was no creator to make such a decision in the first place. Therefore meaning that there would be infinite energy, infinite matter, infinite space and a world that began without limits.
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If there was nothing to impose limits on the sudden creation of a boundless realm, then there would be no limits to space, planets, stars, nebulae, lifeforms and dimensions.
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It is still the burden of proof you need to prove, you can't force people to assume the same way as your because with the lack of evidences, they can assume the opposite and still not wrong due to both is just assumption not a blatant evidence. And due to both being assumption, people will go for the low end assumption as safe result which mean no infinite life forms
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Well do you have proof that there is a creator that created finite lifeforms in an infinite universe. Because by Occam's razor it's easier to assume that with an infinite universe there would be infinite matter. Saying that there's only finite matter in an infinite universe requires more proof than the latter.
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Besides that it's irrelevant to assume that a creator was the one who created it unless there are statements that a creator was the who created it but when there is not a statement that states that the creator created it that way then we just assume the creator created it the other way but by doing so we have to use simpler interpretations and not not simpler interpretation as a simpler interpretation is better to use than a not not simpler interpretation if we use Occam's razor and have no proof for both sides of the argument.
Vietthai96
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Occam's razor doesn't favor you either because both side will have equal assumption. Infinite matters are not equate to infinite lifeforms, again it is your burden of proof. The creator or something else is irrelevant here, saying that a creator can create boundless realm but with finite lifeform make no sense is not an argument or a fact, it is personal belief argue based on personal feeling on problem.
Edit: eh.......sorry if i come off as harsh and offend you....
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So you assumed that there is finite matter in an infinite universe without proof? Then why are you blabbering about the burden of proof when you didn't provide proof to debunk an argument of the others above.
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Yea you can argue that but dont expect it to be a smooth sailing and al i can say is good luck convincing people that will evaluate it. But like we told and suggested. Due to how we rate and accept things most of the time. What we evaluated as is very likely the response of people that you have to argue against or convince if you're proposing your own rating
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I know both of you are more experienced when it comes to this type of debates/arguments. But at least tell me why are assuming finite in infinite rather than infinite in infinite?
Vietthai96
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I never argue for finite matters???. Matter =/= lifeform, infinite matters doesn't automatically mean infinite lifeforms
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It does, even inorganic matter can react with other inorganic matter to form biological compounds overtime otherwise life wouldn't exist and we wouldn't be talking here wouldn't we?
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