This......we definitely need ultima input here
I mean, we could get input from Ultima, sure, but it wouldn't change the fact that what is stated doesn't indicate infinite higher dimensions. There's just no way to force that interpretation above others. Xearsay seems to be advocating for the idea that a construct which stretches to infinity that has mirrors reflecting higher dimensions must therefore have infinite higher dimensions. This is obviously erroneous, as those two pieces of information can exist without infinite higher dimensions.
A structure that contains higher dimensions(spatial or temporal) then stretches to infinity should be high-1B.
The problem is it's not clear what these higher dimensions are. The information provided is contradictory. Even the scan provided that refers to the "implicate" and "explicate" has Shamanistic cosmology which incorporates a higher dimension that is not spatial or temporal. It seems that the combination of the spiritual/mystical/magical aspects of DC with Bohm's theories as presented in Morrison's stories are using magical realms as higher dimensions, not geospatial dimensions. Which is more in keeping with traditional Platonism.
Thank you. That largely seems fine to me, but stretching to infinity can refer to just a High 3-A scale as well, and you should mention that we need considerably more specific in-story evidence than just a brief mention of Bohm, without further clarifications.
Okay, how's this:
The possibility of upgrading Animal Man to
Tier 1 has been discussed with regard to the description of
(1) the Lifeweb,
(2) scaling to Antagon (
who may have pulled creation into the void),
(3) creating a universe, as well as
(4) mention of Bohm's theory of implicate order. However, it has been rejected due to the lack of direct evidence for how that information would justify a
Tier 1 rating, as explained below
(1) The Lifeweb is both described as containing mirrors that reflect 'higher dimensions', and that it stretches to infinity, this has been theorized to indicate that there are an infinite amount of higher dimensions, but since neither the quality (
what kind of dimension) nor quantity (
how many dimensions) of those dimensions is expanded upon, it's unusable for a
Tier 1 rating. The Lifeweb 'stretching to infinity' can refer to just a
High 3-A scale, and alone isn't evidence of infinite higher dimensions, as it's perfectly plausible for an structure that stretches to infinity to contain a finite amount of higher dimensions.
(2) It is unclear how powerful Antagon is, due to vagueness in the illustrations and language used to describe him. For this reason, scaling is not viable. Further, the full scale of the 'creation' that Antagon would hypothetically be pulling into the void. Within the story it appears that the terms 'creation' and 'universe' are being used interchangeably, which further obfuscates the true scale of the feat.
(3) Creating a universe is a powerful feat, but is nowhere near
Tier 1 without additional evidence explaining what that universe entails, which is not provided in the story.
(4) Bohm's theory might suggest an
effectively infinite, but not
truly infinite, amount of geospatial dimensions, however, to use this for a
Tier 1 rating would require considerably more specific in-story evidence applying it to DC, rather than just brief mention of Bohm in a single comic book, as it's vastly inconsistent with other descriptions of DC cosmology.
Also, was Morrison himself the author for these stories, or was it one of the writers following him?
We bounce around several authors in the different scans. The first set of scans about the void and Antagon are from around
Animal Man #50 written by Steve Dillon and Tom Veitch, the scan of the narration mentioning "implicate and explicate" is
Animal Man #87 by Jerry Prosser, the scans about the Red and. Doctor Varma and James theorizing about Buddy's experience are from around
Animal Man #18-19 by Grant Morrison
