A╬® vs Death; Conceptual Death Hax

[PhantomØ4]

But Yogiri does not need to think? Well at least to kill Death. Death's intent to think and produce the hazard towards Yogiri would, in fact, trigger Instant Death, putting Instant Death before in the chain of events regardless.

 

[TheGreatJedi13]

triggering it doesn't stop the attack from happening specially a thought based one because thought based is considered instant. passive effect doesn't work faster than thought but rather at the same speed as it for they both work instantly.

 

[PhantomØ4]

Thought based still has a timeframe and sequence of activation, I do not know why it would be considered literally instantaneous. Sure, it is one of the fastest ways to activate an attack but Instant Death literally works off intent to have a thought or action that will lead to a consequence that will be a hazard to Yogiri. Either way an instantanous that activates before another instantanous will take effect before the latter even if they both are equal in the time they take simply due to the sequence of activation.

 

[TheGreatJedi13]

thats not how it works from what i observed on most yogiri's match. passive only works faster if speed is unequal

 

[PhantomØ4]

You're taking that from him blizting passives, not thought based abilities altough you consider them equal one cannot precog and activate before something that is already at work.

 

[TheGreatJedi13]

Yes but this is a battle set up where speed is equalized you cannot say instant death will activate even before the battle begins just because the instant they think which is basically instantly as the battle begins it activates even before they can have the intent or thought to kill.

they both have their abilities activate instantly as soon as the battle starts you can't have someone activating his/her skill even before the battle begins without preparation.

Also wouldn't killing an AE type 1 death mess up with his ability because he's literally killing the concept of death

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

Wait, Nier has passives? What kind of passive?

 

[PhantomØ4]

What? Before the battle even begins? I don't know how you got to that conclusion but having the intent to do something comes before actually doing that thing.

Battle starts -> Intents to activate her ability -> Activates her ability

Intent to think is still intent, thought does not come before the intent of thought.

Maybe? But that'd be after the death of death if anything. Yogiri is probably an incarnated phenomenon but I don't think it has been made clear as to what he exactly is.

 

[TheGreatJedi13]

either way i still don't get my answer if Yogiri can kill type 1 AE

conceptually he can kill but killing the Abstract would change reality itself

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

I mean, its not like he would die for killing the concept of death I guess

 

[TheGreatJedi13]

yes but nier also wouldn't die because they can exist separately and was seen capable of living while severed from their pact

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

What do you mean "she can exist separately"?

 

[TheGreatJedi13]

Nier and Death are separate entity killing death doesn't kill nier but nullifies majority of her ability and so is killing nier doesn't kill death

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

Do they have a connection?

 

[TheGreatJedi13]

among the 10 evoker they are the special ones that can exist without relying on each other

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

Ok, but do they have a connection?

 

[TheGreatJedi13]

what kind of connection are you partaining

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

Like, Kars and his Stand Killer Queen have a connection, even though both are different/separate entities. The same applies to his other Stand, D4C, that picks another Kars when the original dies

Does Nier and Death are a single existence or something like that?

 

[TheGreatJedi13]

They are only connected by fate and by their pact they are 2 different existence yes

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

Whats the Pact about? Im asking that because Yogiri can kill different existences at once even if you have a minor connection related to it

Also, why are we arguing about Nier? Isnt this about Death vs Yogiri? Unless Im missing something....

 

[TheGreatJedi13]

if Death dies from yogiri's passive death does that include the minor connection?

The pact is basically what connects their fate. They make a pact to grant each other wish Death will grant Nier's Wish and Nier will fulfill Death's requirement which at the end is no longer anything rather than loving her since she no longer cares about creating a new world. if the pactbearer rebelled against it they die its complicated since originally evokers dies if they resist the pact and arcarum dies if they resist The world order for them. but Death doesn't and was exempted from all the bad stuffs included in the pactbearer and can willingly revive her pactbearer if she wishes.

i assume it includes nier because they are in the same profile and SBA and the strongest canon version includes nier with her

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

>if Death dies from yogiri's passive death does that include the minor connectio

Yes. BTW, Yogiri's ability is not passive normally. Its only passive if you throw passives at him. Otherwise, its thought based

>if the pactbearer rebelled against it they die its complicated since originally evokers dies if they resist the pact and arcarum dies if they resist The world order for them. but Death doesn't and was exempted from all the bad stuffs included in the pactbearer and can willingly revive her pactbearer if she wishes

Well, Im not sure how that helps if Yogiri is already targetting Death. Besides, he negates resurrection.

 

[TheGreatJedi13]

Abyss said its passive on intent as well which gives death the loss for the intent alone kills death before she can thought of death sentence. since intent predates thought which kills death before death kills yogiri with thought based death sentence

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

Ehhh, Im not sure if that how it works on speed equal

That would be 100% true if speed was unequal tho

 

[TheGreatJedi13]

cause that was Abyss argument while speed equal after i argued Death can bypass fate protection because she is capable of killing The World who broke free from his fate on being manipulated by astral who also created the primal beast of Fated connection and Destiny and freely manipulating it during the war

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

Can Death bypass 4-D Fate protection?

 

[TheGreatJedi13]

Hmmm the scale of GBF universe isn't really known that much yet and Astrals are the same little to no information.

guess atm it could go to Yogiri's win

i can prolly argue with captain bypassing 4-D fate protection with baha but not with death since no supporting evidence yet other than seemingly being able to kill the world if she wants but The world itself is very vague to measure for hax other than he can return everything to where it came from including the astral which also posses a singularity similar to captain

 

[KaizukaZekrom]

Then we can add this.