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No it doesn't.
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A Pirate vs a Big Chicken: Portgas D. Ace vs Blaziken
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This a stomp... and some people kinda downplaying... copy haki? What? I guess brulee has a chance to defeat kaido 
as well as Mr.2 can also defeat kaido
as well as Mr.2 can also defeat kaido 
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No, you yourself need to provide a valid reason for the Pokémon being able to copy something he hasn't been shown before. It's not up to me to prove a negative, its up to you to prove a positive which you haven't provided.
Rudimentary Haki Users: Haki users of this level are capable of actively using the basic functions of this form of Haki as descibed above. They can coat their entire body with an invisible wall that increases defenses and attack power while subtly increasing range. They can actively attack those with the ability to turn their physical body into other materials such as ice or smoke (typically Logia Devil Fruit Users), and mitigate the effects of Devil Fruit attacks.
you very cleary haven't given the profile a read, I suggest you know what your actually talking about next time before talking as if you were correct.
Yes it does, Haki "blocks" out Devil Fruit abilities, wether they be defensive such as Logia intang or long ranged attacks such as fire, ice etc from said Logia.
Also literally in the profile so don't @ me with that Fix nonsense.
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Aight here we go.
Mirror move literaly copies any move used in the last turn, which in turn means that Blaizaken can copy anything from a tackle to a psychic move to a move that controls time or space (roar of time, spatial drift, phantom force). If mirror move can mirror even the moves that bend space time then i am pretty sure that it can copy special willpower manipulation (it can also copy practically any fighting move which often uses fighting energy manipulation which is similar). Basically there's no reason it doesn't.
Mirror move literaly copies any move used in the last turn, which in turn means that Blaizaken can copy anything from a tackle to a psychic move to a move that controls time or space (roar of time, spatial drift, phantom force). If mirror move can mirror even the moves that bend space time then i am pretty sure that it can copy special willpower manipulation (it can also copy practically any fighting move which often uses fighting energy manipulation which is similar). Basically there's no reason it doesn't.
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The literal textbook definition of a complete and total no limits Fallacy. Pokémon can now copy any and all moves? Lmao okay.
Those all stem from the same universal energy system, bending time and space is irrelevant.
Those all stem from the same universal energy system, bending time and space is irrelevant.
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there is no universal energy system in pokemon moves
the only thing in common is that they all come the plates which are from a being which contains the concept of willpower as a tiny fragment of itself
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"A far more complex technique"
1: Explain to me how it's more complex than a completey different system of power that we still aren't even fully aware of? It's bending time and space but the source of the move still utilizes power from a basic universal system of Power in Pokémon, not one from a different universe with entirety different dimensions.
2: Haki isn't a technique, its a power with several abilities attached to it. Even if he could copy Haki, to which I very seriously doubt he could as that's per definition an NLF unless they have feats of doing such he'd need need to be more proficient with it enough to match Ace's which isn't happening given Ace's feats against other Haki users.
1: Explain to me how it's more complex than a completey different system of power that we still aren't even fully aware of? It's bending time and space but the source of the move still utilizes power from a basic universal system of Power in Pokémon, not one from a different universe with entirety different dimensions.
2: Haki isn't a technique, its a power with several abilities attached to it. Even if he could copy Haki, to which I very seriously doubt he could as that's per definition an NLF unless they have feats of doing such he'd need need to be more proficient with it enough to match Ace's which isn't happening given Ace's feats against other Haki users.
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Why is this an argument?
Blaziken's an animal
Haoshoku gg
Blaziken's an animal
Haoshoku gg
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ah yes Blaziken is a normal animal
can't wait for it to automatically beat all non humans lol
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Ah yes sea kings and far more intellectual animals are normal animals.
Can't wait for it automatically beat Blaziken, oh wait? It should.
It's animal control. Idc.
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Haki resists Spatial Manipulation, Soul manipulation, time manipulation (we don't or I don't know how that devil fruit works), resist Power Mimicry
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Pokemon are not normal animals
guess what the actual smart sea kings it has never worked on the lord of the coast is a terrible example its animalistic in intelligence at best
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It works on humans... But VERY affective against animals
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Every animal that Haoshoku worked on aren't normal animals either.
Yes it has worked on the lord of the coast, he scared it away. What are you talking about? Haoshoku isn't just "knock out", its "scare away" as well.
Also, no. He can't copy Haki, and even if he does, it'll be the most minor Haki usage of all where it won't even be active.
It's like saying Ben 10 can transform into a saiyan and he goes SSB off the bat. No, he'll be put at the lowest level where he needs to practice. Same with Blaziken and his makeshift Haki.
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works on extremely weak willed humans which blaziken is not
pokemon in general have solid willpower
oh so a slightly stronger animal is so different
yeah I just pointed out how it is not relevent
pokemon learn and master abilities they just learned in seconds
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yes they have nothing that shows they have strong wills at all
a lot of them just follow orders right away there is a reason most conquerors haki users are pirates and top marines who make decisions
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and just saying its downplay doesn't change anything
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This is ace as a child
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Ace is a completely different character from those marines
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They are not marines...
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you don't even know what we are talking about
You used Marines as an example then changed it to pirates and pointing out ace not the pirates
and they still have no good willpower feats at all. He didn't even knock out the leader (I think it was Bluejam or something) which would be actually valuable
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The average animal in one piece is intellectual as hell and have solid will power, what are you
No, he gets put down the same
No you did not
Can you prove the same will be for Haki?
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Again, calling complete and total bullshit on Pokémon being able to copy Haki.
And NPI against a Logia is irrelevant, interaction for a Logia is Intangibility Negation. You can hit a logia just fine but they'll simply regenerate. Haki isn't NPI, they get past Logia's via outright Intangibility Negation not NPI.
Also I'd love to see any evidence for Blazkein having remotely comparable will power to Ace's.
And NPI against a Logia is irrelevant, interaction for a Logia is Intangibility Negation. You can hit a logia just fine but they'll simply regenerate. Haki isn't NPI, they get past Logia's via outright Intangibility Negation not NPI.
Also I'd love to see any evidence for Blazkein having remotely comparable will power to Ace's.
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What if we give blaziken knowledge to try smothering Ace.
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Also... Blaziken has average intelligence... Meaning that he has the same or close will power to normal humans I think
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Won't change anything...
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NPI doesn't mean it can touch everything.
You can touch ghosts and not touch Logia users, and vice versa.
And Ace without practice knocked out a bunch of humans, and he has a passive Haoshoku aura around him.
Fire gets absorbed, Physical moves get (not work)ed, he gets bodied
You can touch ghosts and not touch Logia users, and vice versa.
What will he do?
And Ace without practice knocked out a bunch of humans, and he has a passive Haoshoku aura around him.
Fire gets absorbed, Physical moves get (not work)ed, he gets bodied
He doesn't have Kenbunshoku
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Blaziken literally has no wincon, and can't overcome Mid-High regen. This is a stomp
Can you close the thread please?
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Yep realized when I read it again to check
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Sure can do
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