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Why is that proof of intangibility?SomebodyData said:
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A Crime Against the Wiki: Ikki Kurogane Vs Mami Tomoe
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passive mind hax and power null?
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Yeah no Mami doesn't have either of those
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Only thing that comes to mind is Homura being unable to do anything to the ribbon when it turns invisible, yet later she tricks Mami making her think she's gonna kill herself, then using the bullet to tear the ribbon when it isn't invisible, so it seems they do become intangible while invisible.Firephoenixearl said:
Either that or invulnerable, but I doubt that.
Granted, Data is gonna know more than me. I feel I could be pretty wrong.
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Actually, I just remember. During her fight with Mami (timestamp: 1:32), Homura tried to shoot the ribbon but the ribbon become invisible before it appeared again. This indicating that while invisible, the ribbon is indeed also intangible as it seen in later video when broke free from the ribbon when it was visible.
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@Fire Homura couldn't feel the ribbon tied to her leg, indicating it was intangible.
Though Lancelot and Beast also got some more explicit examples.
Though Lancelot and Beast also got some more explicit examples.
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Well fair enough even though the bullet did actually hit it and the ribbon did move. Seems more like the ribbon just tanked it.
Well fair enough even though the bullet did actually hit it and the ribbon did move. Seems more like the ribbon just tanked it.
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No. The bullet was able to destroy the ribbon, so the ribbon didn't tank it, Mami made it intangible.Firephoenixearl said:
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The ribbon did actually move from the bullet,but eh. Ok.
6th sense gg then.
6th sense gg then.
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Whether it move or not doesn't matter when the ribbon will already attached to his legs.Fire Phoenix said:
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Ok but the idea is:
1. That's not always the case.
2. Ikki has danger sense to warn him of shizz.
3. Trackless Step GG.
1. That's not always the case.
2. Ikki has danger sense to warn him of shizz.
3. Trackless Step GG.
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1. Which one?Firephoenixearl said:
2. Danger sense is useless when people with far more potent sensory couldn't even sense the ribbon.
3. Useless when he is already trapped before he can even realize.
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1. Invisibility and intangibility
2. More potent sensory? Let's make
it clear here, cus having better vision or hearing doesn't mean he can't sense danger.
3. How will Mami even tie up someone she can't see?
2. More potent sensory? Let's make
it clear here, cus having better vision or hearing doesn't mean he can't sense danger.
3. How will Mami even tie up someone she can't see?
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1. Well yeah she doesn't always do that.
2. Him sending them means literally nothing because he has no idea how to dodge them nor where they are coming from or what it is.
3. Mami can see invisible people and her brain is undead so RIP Trackless step
2. Him sending them means literally nothing because he has no idea how to dodge them nor where they are coming from or what it is.
3. Mami can see invisible people and her brain is undead so RIP Trackless step
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1. That is always the case. When the ribbon invisible, it also become intangible.Firephoenixearl said:
2. Yes he can't. Because when someone who can sense danger from literally another dimension couldn't sense the ribbon coming, he obviously cannot as well.
3. By tying them up with her ribbon?
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1. He's referring to when it isn't either
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1. So not a reliable ability then?
2. Sense danger from another dimension? Any context or scan?
3. Tie someone she can't see....seriously?
@Schnee
3. He's not invisible and idk why her being undead means anything. It has nothing to do with focus.
2. Sense danger from another dimension? Any context or scan?
3. Tie someone she can't see....seriously?
@Schnee
3. He's not invisible and idk why her being undead means anything. It has nothing to do with focus.
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1. No she just does it by choice.
2. Is it even necessary? Ikki can't danger sense it and dodge it with zero Idea where it's coming from
3. No reason she can't see him, Trackless step literally gasto enter the unconsciousness of a person's brain
2. Is it even necessary? Ikki can't danger sense it and dodge it with zero Idea where it's coming from
3. No reason she can't see him, Trackless step literally gasto enter the unconsciousness of a person's brain
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1. No i mean "reliable" as in "reliable in debate". Is it in character was my point or an oppening move?
2. That's the point of awareness and danger sense. Awareness is his 6th sense that lets him know about anything within his range (even if he can't perceive it otherwise). Danger sense is his ability to sense incoming danger due to having been at death's door so many times, and if he doesn't know "why" or "from where" what's the point? He always dodges or stops by instinct. He doesn't know what's coming he just feels when it's a bad idea to do something or when something bad is coming.
3. "No reason she can't see him". Does she lack unconsciousness?
2. That's the point of awareness and danger sense. Awareness is his 6th sense that lets him know about anything within his range (even if he can't perceive it otherwise). Danger sense is his ability to sense incoming danger due to having been at death's door so many times, and if he doesn't know "why" or "from where" what's the point? He always dodges or stops by instinct. He doesn't know what's coming he just feels when it's a bad idea to do something or when something bad is coming.
3. "No reason she can't see him". Does she lack unconsciousness?
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Lets see how Ikki bullshits a wincon here
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Lets see how Ikki bullshits a wincon here
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1. Opening bit of a toss up, in character yes.
2. He knows it, but not where it's coming from, where to dodge, whether dodging will actually let him avoid it as the Ribbons track etc etc. So he knows it but it won't do scot to avoid it.
3. She does, her brain is dead.
2. He knows it, but not where it's coming from, where to dodge, whether dodging will actually let him avoid it as the Ribbons track etc etc. So he knows it but it won't do scot to avoid it.
3. She does, her brain is dead.
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Wait
This is Magia Record Mami
She summons a witch and breaks him apart via reality warping
This is Magia Record Mami
She summons a witch and breaks him apart via reality warping
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1. Opening is the biggest issue here. How many times has she opened up with it?
2. Here is ikki sensing an attack from edel (with he can't perceive):
Her chest is open!
Aiming for that, Ikki prepared Intetsu and rushed toward it―
But suddenly, Ikki brought his body back from his charge in panic. In that moment, an invisible slash went through the space where Ikki's neck had been.
Here is him dodging an attack from Kuraudo by instinct:
Thus bull's eye. Ikki's attack hit Kuraudo's chest!
That was supposed to happen. But just before it hit, the skull in front of Ikki's eyes suddenly vanished.
…Huh!?
What happened? For him to lose sight of his target with that timing? He could not understand. Did he just lose sight of Kuraudo like the mist?
No, that's not it. Ikki's senses immediately rang out in a frenzied alarm. It almost hurt.
Danger, Danger, DANGER, DANGER―!
….He ducked!
There is him sensing danger from Stella not even doing anything (cus she could turn DS on thought, thing which he didn't know, but his senses still picked it up).
(What is this feeling….) His brow furrowed as he continued to attack. The match was clearly in his favor. Everything had gone just as planned from the very start. He'd kept up the attack on Stella to keep her from using Dragon's Spirit just as he'd wanted. If she tried to force it out anyways, he could counter with Ittou Rasetsu and end the match. And if he just kept attacking like this, within twelve moves she would present an opening for Ittou Rasetsu anyways. If he used it, it would be the end. Yet…
(Yet how many times have I let that opening go already?)
He'd had multiple chances to use Ittou Rasetsu already. But he had not used it. He could see it. In the moment that he moved forward, inside of his mind he could see it -
The gaping mouth of a dragon waiting for its prey to leap in.
Ikki knew. This was a warning. Having scraped close to death so many times, how could he not know. He had a sixth sense that was smelling impending death. And that sixth sense… was right.
3. Why does that mean she perceives all info/lacks focus?
2. Here is ikki sensing an attack from edel (with he can't perceive):
Her chest is open!
Aiming for that, Ikki prepared Intetsu and rushed toward it―
But suddenly, Ikki brought his body back from his charge in panic. In that moment, an invisible slash went through the space where Ikki's neck had been.
Here is him dodging an attack from Kuraudo by instinct:
Thus bull's eye. Ikki's attack hit Kuraudo's chest!
That was supposed to happen. But just before it hit, the skull in front of Ikki's eyes suddenly vanished.
…Huh!?
What happened? For him to lose sight of his target with that timing? He could not understand. Did he just lose sight of Kuraudo like the mist?
No, that's not it. Ikki's senses immediately rang out in a frenzied alarm. It almost hurt.
Danger, Danger, DANGER, DANGER―!
….He ducked!
There is him sensing danger from Stella not even doing anything (cus she could turn DS on thought, thing which he didn't know, but his senses still picked it up).
(What is this feeling….) His brow furrowed as he continued to attack. The match was clearly in his favor. Everything had gone just as planned from the very start. He'd kept up the attack on Stella to keep her from using Dragon's Spirit just as he'd wanted. If she tried to force it out anyways, he could counter with Ittou Rasetsu and end the match. And if he just kept attacking like this, within twelve moves she would present an opening for Ittou Rasetsu anyways. If he used it, it would be the end. Yet…
(Yet how many times have I let that opening go already?)
He'd had multiple chances to use Ittou Rasetsu already. But he had not used it. He could see it. In the moment that he moved forward, inside of his mind he could see it -
The gaping mouth of a dragon waiting for its prey to leap in.
Ikki knew. This was a warning. Having scraped close to death so many times, how could he not know. He had a sixth sense that was smelling impending death. And that sixth sense… was right.
3. Why does that mean she perceives all info/lacks focus?
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1. Coin toss, a couple times here and there.
2. Your quote does not consider a homing attack or lack of area to dodge, with Edel he retreated back, won't work against the Ribbons, Kurado is the same.
3. If doesn't, but you can't have an unconsciousness if you're not using your brain unless you want to say he can enter the unconsciousness of a soul that's operating the body
BTW this is Magia record Mami, ignore everything I said and change my reason to "Mami thinks"
2. Your quote does not consider a homing attack or lack of area to dodge, with Edel he retreated back, won't work against the Ribbons, Kurado is the same.
3. If doesn't, but you can't have an unconsciousness if you're not using your brain unless you want to say he can enter the unconsciousness of a soul that's operating the body
BTW this is Magia record Mami, ignore everything I said and change my reason to "Mami thinks"
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2. Why won't retreating work against the ribbons?
3. You can't have a consciousness either if you're not using your brain. It's just fiction being fiction. Still doesn't mean it lacks unconsciousness, let's not try to apply logic only in certain parts.
Think will do what?
3. You can't have a consciousness either if you're not using your brain. It's just fiction being fiction. Still doesn't mean it lacks unconsciousness, let's not try to apply logic only in certain parts.
Think will do what?
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2. Because the ribbons are going to surround him from every directioner just like she did against Homura in Episode 3 and 10.Firephoenixearl said:
3. The one that controlled a Magical Girl body is the soul gem. Her "consciousness" has merge with her soul, so his unconsciousness stuff ain't gonna do jack.
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2. That's just more directions.
3. Ok but her "consciousness". Still doesn't mean she perceives everything or can focus on everything at once. It just means her consciousness is somewhere else.
3. Ok but her "consciousness". Still doesn't mean she perceives everything or can focus on everything at once. It just means her consciousness is somewhere else.
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2. That makes Ikki more screwed than before.
3. Yeah no. Trackless steps relies on slipping into his opponent conscioussness, which ain't gonna work on Mami due her "consciousness" has merged with her soul. Unless you wanna say he can enter someone else soul.
3. Yeah no. Trackless steps relies on slipping into his opponent conscioussness, which ain't gonna work on Mami due her "consciousness" has merged with her soul. Unless you wanna say he can enter someone else soul.
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2. Can still be dealt with rather easily with Ittou amps existing.
3. No it abuses the fact that people can't focus on everything. "Can enter someone else's soul", no that's just trying to make it sound NLF. He's not entering anyone else's brain, nor will he enter someone's soul, he's just making them perceive him as useless. You gotta prove why it being in her soul means she perceives 100% of what she sees, hears etc etc.
3. No it abuses the fact that people can't focus on everything. "Can enter someone else's soul", no that's just trying to make it sound NLF. He's not entering anyone else's brain, nor will he enter someone's soul, he's just making them perceive him as useless. You gotta prove why it being in her soul means she perceives 100% of what she sees, hears etc etc.
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2. How is samping himself gonna help him?
3. It's you who is trying to push NLF here. Her consciousness has merged with her soul, affecting her consciousness requires to affect her soul as well. Trackless Steps cannot do that.
3. It's you who is trying to push NLF here. Her consciousness has merged with her soul, affecting her consciousness requires to affect her soul as well. Trackless Steps cannot do that.
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2. Speed to dodge....
3. He's not mind haxing though. He's just tricking her thought. It's like saying Shin Lim needs soul hax if he wants to fool her with a magic trick. Ikki isn't affecting the consciousness.
3. He's not mind haxing though. He's just tricking her thought. It's like saying Shin Lim needs soul hax if he wants to fool her with a magic trick. Ikki isn't affecting the consciousness.
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2. He doesn't even know he has to dodge the ribbons. And he has nowhere to dodge when the ribbon will engulfed him in an instant.
3. Tricking her thought by altering her perceptiness is Perception manip, which is just another form of mind manip. The soul gem has fully control of magical girl body. You wants to make her think you are not a threat: then affects the soul gem since it has the control of the body, which includes everything.
3. Tricking her thought by altering her perceptiness is Perception manip, which is just another form of mind manip. The soul gem has fully control of magical girl body. You wants to make her think you are not a threat: then affects the soul gem since it has the control of the body, which includes everything.
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2. Yeah but hard to touch someone 200x faster.
3. It is not. It's not altering her perception. That's like saying "entering a blind spot is perception manipulation". It is not cus the flaw is already there, he's just abusing it. Similarly, he's just removing importance from his body.
3. It is not. It's not altering her perception. That's like saying "entering a blind spot is perception manipulation". It is not cus the flaw is already there, he's just abusing it. Similarly, he's just removing importance from his body.
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Yeah, this has started going the direction I expected.
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It always goes down the "mind resistance negs it" if it comes down to trackless step. Or some other debate about trackless step. If there is anything about trackless step to debate, it's gonna be debated.
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I personally think you should take that as indication there may be something wrong with your perception of it.
Even Dargoo argued against this and the fact that if the brain is being made to misunderstand, there is something being forced on it, no matter the mechanism.
There's no resolution that is gonna be reached at the end of the day, that much I know.
Even Dargoo argued against this and the fact that if the brain is being made to misunderstand, there is something being forced on it, no matter the mechanism.
There's no resolution that is gonna be reached at the end of the day, that much I know.
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