(A certain magical index) Kakine Teitoku vs. All of One piece

[Aurasuke]

I heard somewhere that said Kakine was able to defeat all the characters in One Piece by himself and at once. I know that Kakine is pretty strong, and that he may even be able to defeat base accelerator, but I was wondering if he could actually take down all of One Piece alone?

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Kakine_Teitoku

I suppose for this battle, we could use his post revival form, after he was revived by Othinius I guess.

For one piece, I suppose it could be all characters whether living or dead.

As for the Haki argument vs Logia, we could say they lose once they are no longer able to continue fightning or run out of stamina.

Battle takes place within One Piece world.

Round 1 Characters have no knowledge of each other's powers, Kakine is given enough time to create as many dark matter entities as when he fought with accelerator during his post revial, all one piece forces join in to deal with an unknown thread called Kakine, Kakine starts off at Marineford, all admirals are present pirates and the like are coming.

Round 2: Characters have full knowledge of each other's powers, Kakine is given enough time to create about as many dark matter entities as when he fought with accelerator during his post revival.

 

[GreatestSin]

lol, via equiv-thing between verses i think it is safe to say that BB has the ability to negate powers and some more stuff, kakine as human will be powerless and than punched to death, and kakine as dark matter will be negated to death ^_^

the others wont be able to kill dark matter kakine, but this isnt because of power, kakine in dark matter body is immortal to a really big degree, i doubt that anyone except BB has the ability to completly destroy it to the needed lvl :I

 

[Gemmysaur]

Whitebeard by himself is listed as country level if I remember correctly, while Kakine is listed as multi-city block level, island level at angel form. He however can multiply via dark matter clones, recreate people via dark matter, disregard durability by eating on a quantum level, and is high hypersonic with MHS reactions.

How much prep does he have? Does he have any? If he can leave clones all around the OP world, they're screwed because he'd just keep coming back. He can resist subatomic attacks and regen from a quantum level nigh-indefinitely apparently. He'd have to be outright disintegrated to nothingness to actually put him down. He doesn't do human things like eat, take a dump and breathe. He can also regen from the smallest dark matter particles left.

I'd say he probably could take on everyone ALREADY SHOWN (as we have yet to see the powers of those who we yet to see) but not at the same time, and not at a straight fight. He'd be running away against high tiers, maybe mid tiers but absorb mooks and low tiers. He'd run away and regroup, populate and march an army.

He can probably, given enough time, rule the world (if that counts as a victory) via Kakine clones and dark matter beetles.

 

[Aurasuke]

I appreciate your reply.

However even as a cross verses thing, black beard has the ability to steal devil fruits powers and apparently can negate devil fruit powers, not negate all powers that are unrelated to devil fruits or anything like that. While he has the ability to suck matter in what he calls a black hole, it's far from a real singularity. The reason I say this is because the power of something like Haki which is unrelated to devil fruits isn't something he can negate meaning even within his own verse he cannot negate all powers.

Esper powers are the result of an AIM deffusion field, and are clearly stated to be different from magic powers even within the verse of index. Thus in conclusion blackbeard isn't able to negate Kakine's powers, only imagine breaker within index has the ability to do that (if you discount the magic gods that can rewrite the entire universe and Aleister by extension).

 

[Aurasuke]

@ Gremmysaur

You are most likely refering to the One Piece world when you say rule the world. Probably not the index verse.

That sounds like a fair accessment, I suppose the only question is if something like what happened with beetle 05 would happen here.

 

[Gemmysaur]

@Aurasuke, yes I did say OP world so yes, I was referring to One Piece.

I was using Black Beard as an example of the OPverse's destructive capacity which goes beyond Kakine's by a huge amount (quantum-level defense-ignoring dark matter aside).

He can probably be vaporized to nothing, though he can also be able to regen from some unseeable miniscule particle left.

He'd be the Zerg invasion to the OPverse's Terran encampment if I have to make a comparison.

 

[Aurasuke]

Still, I don't know if Kakine can be vaporized by anyone in the one piece verse so easily, he fought meltdowner when he was in human form, and apparently left without as much as a scratch. Even if we assume Akainu's magma is 3000 degrees, I would still think meltdowner which is essentially electrons being shot at one's opponent would be hotter.

Kakine has only shown to be defeated by black wings accelerator due to his ability to control vectors, and his ability to control vectors that defy that laws of physics or the vectors that Kakine had forced upon him.

Even if Kakine has not shown the destructive abilities of someone like Whitebeard or the three admirals, something as simple as the ability to fly around with angel wings while shooting lasers with over 25 000 different properties that defy the laws of physics may be able to earn him an advantage in the fight.

 

[LordAizenSama]

Bumpity-Bump

 

[GreatestSin]

actually, someone like sugar or ghost-girl should be a troublesome enemy, im not sure but if kakine is connected to each of his dark matter than a single touch of sugar should turn him into a toy or ghost-girl hits one of his dark atter constructs and causes kakine to be super-emo (with repeated use he would be in emo-mode forever), it isnt that big of a stomp

 

[LordAizenSama]

a funny thought, Kakine is pretty emo by himself already, maybe he'd be immune to it like Usopp XD

 

[GreatestSin]

^i never thought eh was emo XD he is more like completly overconfident and sinister, to be fair, he doesnt have a lot of time to show us his personality

but it would be awesome to see ghost-girls face again if her ghosts dont work XD

 

[LordAizenSama]

Yeah he has a emoish side of him, like here

he should be getting screentime in the Railgun manga so hopefully we get decent stuff from him

 

[Aurasuke]

would sugar's ability work on dark matter? I mean technically it's not even considered a form of life lol, it's more like inorganic clones made of dark matter that can simulate life functions. Kakine's dark matter doesn't have to be connected, there's no reason for him to do so lol.

Sugar would get swarmed, Kakine's dark matter army can shoot from a distance so he kind of has cannons covered, his dark matter armor is pretty hard too, need someone like luffy to break it probably

 

[GreatestSin]

^i think via verse-equiv it should work(DM isnt really "inorgantic" either, it is unknown but it can create cells and human organs etc etc, imo i think the chances are rather high) ^_^

for the canons: as long as they are made out of DM it should turn into a toy (via the "kakine is in all DM" it could even cause all DM to turn into toys )

 

[Aurasuke]

What's stopping Sugar from getting vaporized by the over 25 000 different types of energies that Kakine has though?

 

[Alakabamm]

I'm voting Kakine but only if he is given time. Also, there is no proof of Sugar's hax working on a network at all, so that's a bit of an NLF.

 

[Aurasuke]

Also sugar may just end up getting knocked out by simply looking at Kakine's evil grin, considering how badly she was trauamatized by Usopp lol.

 

[GreatestSin]

What's stopping Sugar from getting vaporized by the over 25 000 different types of energies that Kakine has though?

nothing really, i simply mentioned her as a way to do something against a near-complete-immortal but i need to be honest his "laserbeam" wasnt really that powerful, afterall it hit accelerator directly while bypassing his defenses and even in base be was rather well without any major injuries being mentioned, really downplays the strength of "25000 types of manipulated photons"

^it isnt really NLF, yes, there is no proof but im not assuming a higher power of her than she already showed (which is: transforming beings she touches into toys, kakines case is simply unique so the outcome could very well be something unique too )

 

[Aurasuke]

Yes, that's because accelerator had those vector shields. If you forgotten he fought Mugino without a scratch. If he was using angel wings on a regular opponent, they would probably be vaporized.

Also the thing with sugar as that she is nowhere near Kakine's speed, she would still be oeverwhelmed due to beatle cannon barrage.

 

[GreatestSin]

^like i said, the defense wasnt affected the laserbeam, afterall this was the whole point why kakine transformed the photons in the first place, and even after hitting him they didnt do a lot of harm

if the cannon proectiles are out of DM i think it wouldnt end well for kakine :I (but they can also drop a gaint boulder on her to crush her)..

 

[LordAizenSama]

also @Aurasuke can you clarify on the conditions a bit more? is Kakine allowed any prep time? is the one piece verse aware or unaware of kakine before the fight? intel? etc etc

 

[Alakabamm]

If Kakine isn't given prep time and the OP world is given knowledge, that isn't going to be very fun for Kakine...they are going to play whack a mole with him...

 

[Aurasuke]

Sorry, my apologies, I made some changes and put in two rounds.

 

[Lord-Of-Creation]

I'm pretty sure Kakine can solo most of the HST.

 

[Gemmysaur]

From how I see it. It's still Kakine both rounds.

Not like he ages or anything as a dark matter. He can bide his time, stalking them, continually multiplying like a bunny rabbit on the most powerful viagra in the universe.

Then, he'd consume stuff, vaporize it and absorb it to himself. Then he'd destroy the lands, one by one, hiding from the stronger ones while killing the weaker ones. Taking all the hot women for himself so the OPverse would find it hard to procreate. Then, amass his massive dark matter army, and attack the stronger ones when they're alone in a massive zergrush from all angles. Then he'd go back to multiplying by dark matter clones and women *wink wink*.

Not like they'd know how to stop him if they know what his powers are about.

 

[LordAizenSama]

considering the current conditions he probably wins both rounds now

 

[Aurasuke]

Let's see

kakine 5 votes

one piece 1 vote-greatest sin is unconvinced

 

[GreatestSin]

^and i have my reasons ^_^