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Yes. Thank you very much for helping out, Eficiente.
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A Bunch of Big Boi feats for Dr. Doom-Part 2
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@Antvasima Thanks for the heads up.
@Eficiente Is it still ok if I ask you just this once to help with the references? Also, I removed the Uatu crap so Doom's technology AP is still a 3-C like it was before, so he'll just be a 2-A with prep and durability.
@Eficiente Is it still ok if I ask you just this once to help with the references? Also, I removed the Uatu crap so Doom's technology AP is still a 3-C like it was before, so he'll just be a 2-A with prep and durability.
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Just double-checked, and there is actually only 1 Low 1-C feat I've got.
So as soon as Efi helps me out with the sources/footnotes so we can put them on the Doom page, I'll state the Low 1-C feat.
There's only 1, so I don't think a new thread is even needed.
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This is the wording I would use:
"'''Large Island level''' himself (Can trade blows with and overpower the likes of [[The Thing (Marvel Comics)|the Thing]]. [[Mediaoom19.jpg|Destroyed a group of Doombots that were almost comparable to him]]. Fought and matched Iron Man's [[Iron Man Armor Model 29|Model 29]]<ref>The Mighty Avengers #9</ref> and [[Iron Man Armor Model 42|Model 42]]<ref>Iron Man: Fatal Frontier #10</ref> Armors). Doombots, non-standard technology or with preparation reach up to '''Galaxy level''' (Doombots peak at this level, as [[Media
- "'''Large Island level''' himself" for base Doom (w/ his armor) as everything he can do w/o prep is at that level.
- A point (.) follows it as the other stats aren't things he can do at will at any time.
- ", up to 3-C with Doombots, technology, and preparation" gets messed up with that 2-A feat with prep while the profile still shows 3-C feats with prep. Technology and preparation are also weird, they seem synonymous, prep time is prep time, and tech is pretty much the tech he has in his house ig, but go to get that is a form of prep time. It's also misleading as he already has tech with his armor, this is Optional Equipment tech w/o simply saying so. By that logic, Doombots are also "technology". I put it all together as "Doombots, non-standard technology or with preparation reach up to '''Galaxy level''' to '''Multiverse level+'''" rather than "up to 3-C Doombots and technology, up to 3-C to 2-A with preparation" as that would be messy.
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1. Which blogspot image are you talking about?
2. I thought we'd agreed that it was ok to scale Vibranium Doom to the Cosmic Cube since he says it is also above the Cube when he used it and when he had it it was 2-A due to Reed in that story using it to one-shot a Doom with Galactus's power. You agreed to it earlier in this thread.
3. What about Doom's 2-A absorption stuff?
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@Eficiente
We would appreciate your input here.
Other knowledgeable members are obviously also free to help out.
We would appreciate your input here.
Other knowledgeable members are obviously also free to help out.
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https://2.bp.blogspot.com/UgULlTH2W...hCjsOOf5ElqGTiQv8QfYtg3lMC3GLrQATcSfVvg=s1600
Do we have proof that this was a Galactus at his peak?
It didn't have scans.
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Done
Well, Odin himself considered the situation dire after Doom got Galactus's powers, and despite not being that experienced with Galactus's powers, Doom still stomped Odin after a short fight. He also said he could end all time and existence with but a thought.
Btw this was in Fantastic Four World's Greatest #10-#11
And it's listed on the Cosmic Cubes vs battles page as one of the reasons for why they go up to 2-A.
- Dr Doom absorbing the power of Aron the Rogue Watcher in Fantastic Four #373: , and then turning it into an armor in Fantastic Four #374:
- He absorbs the power of Scarlet Witch in Avengers: Children's Crusade #7 and #8, and this is the power of House of M Scarlet Witch since Doom stated it to be above the Cosmic Cube Beyonder (as already stated in House of M Scarlet Witch's profile):
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Quick thing, that era of Franklin wasn't 2-A, this happens shortly after he lost his powers and wasn't at peak last I checked. So don't think it can be used for 2-A scaling, but if you wanna use it for a lower one, then that's fine.
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I just looked over the entire article, and I didn't see anything in any of the 4 issues that suggests that he lost any power.
Also, Doom was pretty confident that he could absorb it over time and then "deal with" the Celestials.
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In this era. Around those years. He wasn't at peak until Hickman took over
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What about Doom saying he could deal with all the Celestials with Franklin's power?
Also, Franklin is still above Hell-amped Mephisto even before Hickman's run, as is already state on Child Franklin's vs profile
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Okay, let me rephrase my sentence. Ahem. From 1999 - like 2012, Franklin was at a powered down state. Before that, he was above hell lords, yes, but he lost that power during Abraxas arc and was slowly returning as time went by. It wasn't until Hickman's run where he regained all of his strength again. Hope that makes sense.
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Oooooh, Ok.
Thanks for explaining, I actually did not know that.
Consider that point withdrawn.
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Those need to be in Imgur.
So like this:
"'''Large Island level''' himself (Can trade blows with and overpower the likes of [[The Thing (Marvel Comics)|the Thing]]. [[Media
oom19.jpg|Destroyed a group of Doombots that were almost comparable to him]]. Fought and matched Iron Man's [[Iron Man Armor Model 29|Model 29]]<ref>The Mighty Avengers #9</ref> and [[Iron Man Armor Model 42|Model 42]]<ref>Iron Man: Fatal Frontier #10</ref> Armors). Doombots, non-standard technology or with preparation reach up to '''Galaxy level''' (Doombots peak at this level, as [[Mediaoom74.jpg|Doom possesses a small army of them powered by an artificial emulation of the Power Cosmic comparable to the real thing]]. Can cut through [[Hulk (Marvel Comics)|Hulk's]] [[Mediaoom69.jpg|skull with an adamantium chainsaw to perform brain surgery]], and [[Mediaoom72.jpg|recreate]] [[The Destroyer (Marvel Comics)|the Destroyer]] by [[Mediaoom73.jpg|draining the Odinforce from a bunch of Asgardians]]. Can [[Mediaoom18.png|artificially emulate]] the Power Cosmic and [[Mediaoom75.jpg|can channel the mystic energy that exists in vibranium to connect himself to every piece of vibranium on the planet]], [[Mediaoom76.jpg|gaining a power greater than the Power Cosmic]]) to '''Multiverse level+''' ([h ps://imgur.com/uDTIrpN After millions of years of mastering black arts he] [h ps://imgur.com/4u8KYfZ killed a Watcher with an "off-the-scale power source", it being an alternative dimension version of] [[Uatu The Watcher|Uatu]]<ref>Fantastic Four #569</ref>. Can channel the mystic energy that exists in vibranium [[Mediaoom75.jpg|to connect himself to every piece of vibranium on the planet]], [[Mediaoom76.jpg|gaining power greater than that which he had when he held a]] [[Cosmic Cubes|Cosmic Cube]]<ref>Doomwar #1</ref>, when said cube was used by Reed [h ps://imgur.com/bxR156C to defeat] [h ps://imgur.com/iBvQ8Wj Doom with Galactus' power], who which in turn was seen by [[Odin (Marvel Comics)|Odin]] [h ps://imgur.com/a/BFE1B8a as a dire threat] before he defeated Odin outright, and later Doom said he could "end all time -- all existence -- with a simple thought"<ref>Fantastic Four World's Greatest #10-#11</ref>. Through [[Power Absorption]], [h ps://imgur.com/a/DootZ8C he siphoned the cosmic powers of a Watcher]<ref>Fantastic Four #373</ref>, who should be on the same level as fellow Watchers like [[Uatu The Watcher|Oatu]], turning it into [h ps://imgur.com/HEGDVGL an armor, and attempting to claim Uatu's power for his own too]<ref>Fantastic Four #374</ref>. On another occasion he absorbed the Life Force power of Scarlet Witch, which he stated even the power of [[Beyonder (Post-Retcon)|the Beyonder]] [h ps://imgur.com/a/JFFXSwb was nothing compared to it]<ref>Avengers: Children's Crusade #7 & 8</ref>)"
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Odin vs Doom and Doom's statement of being able to wipe out existence with but a thought with Galactus's power
It's awesome, but you just need to add that Doom also absorbed the power of Galactus (as we just discussed).So like this:
"'''Large Island level''' himself (Can trade blows with and overpower the likes of [[The Thing (Marvel Comics)|the Thing]]. [[Media
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Good. Also you keep using albums for single images, minor nitpick.
"'''Large Island level''' himself (Can trade blows with and overpower the likes of [[The Thing (Marvel Comics)|the Thing]]. [[Media
oom19.jpg|Destroyed a group of Doombots that were almost comparable to him]]. Fought and matched Iron Man's [[Iron Man Armor Model 29|Model 29]]<ref>The Mighty Avengers #9</ref> and [[Iron Man Armor Model 42|Model 42]]<ref>Iron Man: Fatal Frontier #10</ref> Armors). Doombots, non-standard technology or with preparation reach up to '''Galaxy level''' (Doombots peak at this level, as [[Mediaoom74.jpg|Doom possesses a small army of them powered by an artificial emulation of the Power Cosmic comparable to the real thing]]. Can cut through [[Hulk (Marvel Comics)|Hulk's]] [[Mediaoom69.jpg|skull with an adamantium chainsaw to perform brain surgery]], and [[Mediaoom72.jpg|recreate]] [[The Destroyer (Marvel Comics)|the Destroyer]] by [[Mediaoom73.jpg|draining the Odinforce from a bunch of Asgardians]]. Can [[Mediaoom18.png|artificially emulate]] the Power Cosmic and [[Mediaoom75.jpg|can channel the mystic energy that exists in vibranium to connect himself to every piece of vibranium on the planet]], [[Mediaoom76.jpg|gaining a power greater than the Power Cosmic]]) to '''Multiverse level+''' ([h ps://imgur.com/uDTIrpN After millions of years of mastering black arts he] [h ps://imgur.com/4u8KYfZ killed a Watcher with an "off-the-scale power source", it being an alternative dimension version of] [[Uatu The Watcher|Uatu]]<ref>Fantastic Four #569</ref>. Can channel the mystic energy that exists in vibranium [[Mediaoom75.jpg|to connect himself to every piece of vibranium on the planet]], [[Mediaoom76.jpg|gaining power greater than that which he had when he held a]] [[Cosmic Cubes|Cosmic Cube]]<ref>Doomwar #1</ref>, when said cube was used by Reed [h ps://imgur.com/bxR156C to defeat] [h ps://imgur.com/iBvQ8Wj Doom with Galactus' power], who which in turn was seen by [[Odin (Marvel Comics)|Odin]] [h ps://imgur.com/a/BFE1B8a as a dire threat] [h ps://imgur.com/Vdb1HJB before he defeated Odin outright], and later [h ps://imgur.com/IFgPrT7 Doom said he could "end all time -- all existence -- with a simple thought"]<ref>Fantastic Four World's Greatest #10-#11</ref>. Through [[Power Absorption]], [h ps://imgur.com/iBvQ8Wj he stole Galactus his power] in the scale said before, [h ps://imgur.com/a/DootZ8C siphoned the cosmic powers of a Watcher]<ref>Fantastic Four #373</ref>, who should be on the same level as fellow Watchers like [[Uatu The Watcher|Oatu]], turning it into [h ps://imgur.com/HEGDVGL an armor, and attempted to claim Uatu's power for his own too]<ref>Fantastic Four #374</ref>. On another occasion he absorbed the Life Force power of Scarlet Witch, which he stated even the power of [[Beyonder (Post-Retcon)|the Beyonder]] [h ps://imgur.com/a/JFFXSwb was nothing compared to it]<ref>Avengers: Children's Crusade #7 & 8</ref>)"
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Apologies, mate.
EXCELLENT."'''Large Island level''' himself (Can trade blows with and overpower the likes of [[The Thing (Marvel Comics)|the Thing]]. [[Media
I'm now pretty sure we can put it up, and thank you so much for all your help!
Also, what do you think about just removing Doom's 2-A key with Galactus's power and the Cosmic Cube?
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So what do the rest of you think about Eficiente's latest draft? Can it be applied now?
Also, what about this?
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Yep!
I just think that since Doom's write-up will now include things such as how he absorbed Galactus's power, that other 2-A key is kind of obsolete, especially since it was a one-time thing that is better off as a "supporting" feat for "normal" Doom's absorption than just its own key.
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Also, for Doom's durability, the only feat that really needs to be mentioned is the Celestials one, so that should be simple and it would look something like this:
Durability: Large Island level (Inside the armor, survives attacks on this level either relatively fine or harmed while running the risk of being killed, but the armor itself is more durable. He can take blows from the Thing, and Iron Man's Model 29 and Model 42 Armors) to Country level (Doom has survived unconscious and with minor cracks being near an explosion over a part of the moon), higher with forcefields (Doom's forcefields are stronger than those of the Invisible Woman, cannot be punctured by Magneto, and have easily blocked attacks from Model Prime Iron Man and Thor), up to Galaxy level with Doombots, up to Multiverse Level+ with technology (Tanked concentrated blasts from 4 Celestials at once for 28 minutes straight [FF Vol. 1 #14]), preparation, and absorption
Durability: Large Island level (Inside the armor, survives attacks on this level either relatively fine or harmed while running the risk of being killed, but the armor itself is more durable. He can take blows from the Thing, and Iron Man's Model 29 and Model 42 Armors) to Country level (Doom has survived unconscious and with minor cracks being near an explosion over a part of the moon), higher with forcefields (Doom's forcefields are stronger than those of the Invisible Woman, cannot be punctured by Magneto, and have easily blocked attacks from Model Prime Iron Man and Thor), up to Galaxy level with Doombots, up to Multiverse Level+ with technology (Tanked concentrated blasts from 4 Celestials at once for 28 minutes straight [FF Vol. 1 #14]), preparation, and absorption
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The invisible woman statement should likely be removed
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Agreed.
Always seemed weird to me that Doom somehow had better forcefields than a woman whose main power (well, 2nd main power) was forcefields.
I mean Doom's awesome but it kind of diminishes Susan Storm's abilities.
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Not even that, it's just in context, it's not very impressive
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