Dragon Ball Heroes/Xenoverse Revision (2-A)

[Dominodalek]

That's not what I asked proof for. What is the proof that the Budokai and Budokai Tenkaichi series of games are canon to the Heroes series of games? How does Shin Budokai's plot show up in Heroes, as the OP states? That's what I want to know.

 

[Kepekley23]

The first half of this thread by Super Saiyan Julian God lists some of the evidence for the whole 'nearly every Dragon Ball game is part of Heroes' stuff, including the Budokai series, as you requested. Aside from the basic fact that the trailers repeatedly reinforce the notion that the manga, anime, and various promotional games are timelines parallel to the "Real World".

Any game developed and published by Bandai Namco is fair game, pretty much.

 

[Ottavio_Merluzzo]

I could find this :https://web.archive.org/web/20190401004401/https://plus.google.com/113806516725407052781/posts/KbiTz6hLzmd

 

[Kepekley23]

Anyway I'm going to sleep soon

 

[Mr.Cinos15]

I also agree with the upgrades.

 

[Dominodalek]

Thank you for providing the thread. I want to make clear now that I am not trying to argue that many of the Dragon Ball game series (eg Online, Xenoverse, Fusions, etc.) aren't connected to Heroes, nor that Heroes itself isn't an in-universe arcade game. As said, both facts are common knowledge and have been made abundantly clear by the series. Overall I'm in support of the DBH characters becoming 2-A, I merely wish it to be for the right reasons.

A few pieces of evidence are given for the Shin Budokai games (and by extension the Budokai games, and by extension the Budokai Tenkaichi games) being canon to Heroes, and they're all pretty flimsy. There is Kibito Kai's Super Attack being the same one he uses in Budokai (which is likely just because they reused the move), Janemba being able to absorb evil beings (which I'm pretty sure he doesn't even do in Heroes, but the images are gone so I can't check), Janemba making copies of himself in Hell (which is true, but doesn't prove anything since it happened in Fusion Reborn as well), the Earth being viewed at the same angle when you use certain attacks (only proves that they reused assets from Budokai 3, which we know) and Kid Buu absorbing Babidi in both (despite the design and the context both being different).

Nothing for Budokai Tenkaichi, which for the record has minimal connection to the Budokai/Shin Budokai series beyond its name in the West.

As I said, my issues are purely with that part of the post - I agree overall with the DBH characters becoming 2-A and have no problem with the Xenoverse scans.

 

[Ottavio_Merluzzo]

Kibito Kai 's Ultimate move that appears in Budokai 3 and Heroes also appears in Budokai Tenkaichi 3

 

[Ottavio_Merluzzo]

Here's the link: Kibito Kai 's Ultimate move also appears in Budokai Tenkaichi 3 https://imgur.com/gallery/NBf0rWG

As you can see, Budokai 3 and Budokai Tenkaichi 3 are both connected to Dragon Ball Heroes

So the What If Saga statement should apply to DBH as well

 

[Stefano4444]

Agree with the upgrade to 2-A, but without the At least.

 

[Ottavio_Merluzzo]

Agree with the upgrade to 2-A, but without the At least.

The "At least 2-A" comes from this:

SMT, Digimon, Madoka, all got "At least 2-A" for an infinite multiverse that was infinitely expanding. In fact, all multiverses that are "At least 2-A" are that, for that reason.


I want you to know that i'm not attacking you. Everyone has their opinions

 

[Zenkaibattery1]

Yeah, I looked at the SMT blog and it says it is at least 2-A/infinitely above because it was an infinitely expanding infinite multiverse/endless cycle of creation of timelines.

But I suppose if it adds to much controversy, we can ignore it for now, and save it for another thread. Keep this thread just 2-A for the sake of argument and it is unanimous so far anyway and everyone agrees with it

 

[Ottavio_Merluzzo]

^^

 

[Sevestus]

I agree with 2-A. Good explanations.

 

[ZeroTC01]

Needless to say, I agree with 2-A as well.

 

[Jinsye]

>madoka


Noooooooooo

Madoka encompasses two infinite multiverses, not infinite

Yall are dumdums

 

[Everything12]

Pretty sure all Infinite Timelines aren't in the Crack of Time. While it does exist outside of tbe rest of the 12 Universes and their Timeline, it is still connected to those Timelines and can you can view them from the Crack in Time, but it is never stated that the Crack of Time contains them.

"You saw Goku and the rest in the chasm of time? You sure you weren't daydreaming? But that place is joined with many eras. It shouldn't even exist. It's not strange no matter what happens there." — Chronoa's post alternate ending conversion with the Future Warrior in Dragon Ball Xenoverse

 

[Zenkaibattery1]

Let's not bring in other things rn. Just focus on the OP. Anything else should wait.

 

[Akreious]

Obviously, I agree.

Remember there's also the evidence of how you can meet alternate versions of yourself an infinite amount of times- with it being canon to Heroes given that there's literally a crossover between the Protagonist self and the Heroes version of them.

 

[Zenkaibattery1]

Akreious, you're late smh.

 

[Ottavio_Merluzzo]

Just posting for more information about the MWI in Xenoverse

History in Xenoverse is divided into two categories:

The official history written in the Book of The Beggininig and End.

other "histories" separated from that book , which includes Tokipedia:

https://imgur.com/a/Cj7F08T

https://imgur.com/a/Hnzm48C

PQs and Expert Missions are also implied:

https://imgur.com/a/FTypkPK

history splits in multiple time scrolls when changed:

https://imgur.com/a/noerqHa

a change = a timeline

https://imgur.com/a/TwIDgAX

 

[Nitro90]

This is beautiful

 

[Akreious]

Akreious, you're late smh.

Nah, I'm not late.

I'm just fashionably delayed.

 

[Zenkaibattery1]

quiet mortal.

 

[Goldenchimchar]

I fully agree with OP.

 

[Quantu]

SMT, Digimon, Madoka, all got "At least 2-A" for an infinite multiverse that was infinitely expanding. In fact, all multiverses that are "At least 2-A" are that, for that reason. Don't see why that wouldn't be the case here.

So At least 2-A for all the 2-Bs?

 

[Ottavio_Merluzzo]

SMT, Digimon, Madoka, all got "At least 2-A" for an infinite multiverse that was infinitely expanding. In fact, all multiverses that are "At least 2-A" are that, for that reason. Don't see why that wouldn't be the case here.

So At least 2-A for all the 2-Bs?

It should be since DB follows the MWI, wherever a random event occurs, the number of universes that come around depends on how many possible outcomes that event has

This is infinitely expanding, and it's applicable to Xenoverse and Heroes

https://m.imgur.com/a/0FNKN

However we can also discuss this later if people think that this is the better option.

 

[ZeroTC01]

Yeah, let's leave the "At least" alone for now. That's a topic for another thread, and it'd only derail this one.

 

[The_Causality]

Btw i agree with the OP

 

[Theuser789]

Saikou must kneel that Chadren is 2-A.

I agree with this based on this post and the OP of course

 

[Everything12]

This actually won't change anything, it just makes the extremely large AP gap bigger, AP was never important in Pokemon vs Dragon Ball it was purely a matter of hax which becoming 2-A doesn't help

Plus Abstract Existence 2-B Arceus still stomps with its Hax, 2-B or 2-A

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

Yeah, I looked at the SMT blog and it says it is at least 2-A/infinitely above because it was an infinitely expanding infinite multiverse/endless cycle of creation of timelines.
But I suppose if it adds to much controversy, we can ignore it for now, and save it for another thread. Keep this thread just 2-A for the sake of argument and it is unanimous so far anyway and everyone agrees with it

While that is true, that blog is heavily outdated, so just don't use it for reference.

 

[DatOneWeeb]

Don't worry guys, Goku's wincons will and will always be via higher ap.

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

Actually, I'm not sure if Zenkai is referring to Kagutsuchi or Shesha's feat. Kagutsuchi is infinite^infinite 2-A, Shesha is infinite^infinite Low 1-C.

 

[Ottavio_Merluzzo]

So what do we do now? Everyone seems to agree with 2-A

 

[Everything12]

Wait for more Staff, if they agree it gets accepted, if not it's rejected like all the others.

 

[The_Causality]

This actually won't change anything, it just makes the extremely large AP gap bigger, AP was never important in Pokemon vs Dragon Ball it was purely a matter of hax which becoming 2-A doesn't help

Plus Abstract Existence 2-B Arceus still stomps with its Hax, 2-B or 2-A

>"That's a Joke huh"

>People still arguing this

Ok.

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

I agree with the OP as well

 

[Eganergo]

I don't agree because DB is not allowed to be above 2B!

Looks convincing though.

 

[Saint_rider_890]

I agree about 2A

 

[Rose_of_Ragnarok]

This actually won't change anything, it just makes the extremely large AP gap bigger, AP was never important in Pokemon vs Dragon Ball it was purely a matter of hax which becoming 2-A doesn't help
Plus Abstract Existence 2-B Arceus still stomps with its Hax, 2-B or 2-A

It kinda matters a little bit actually. Because their resistances should be infinitely superior to what the CT can do, probably. However, this should be left for another time.