Dragon Ball Heroes cosmology revision

So Today I would like to discuss the cosmology of DBH. Now this will cover two specific things.


The first is the fact that DBH includes most, if not all other DB games etc. in it. There is much proof of this which I will talk about.


1. We see virtually all DB characters and stories present in DBH. From DB/Z/GT/Super anime and manga, movies, specials, games only characters, and events portrayed as existing through many timelines. In fact we even already accepted things like DBO being part of Xenoverese based on this same premise alone, since it has the time breakers, time patrol and multiple story elements that cross from DBO to Xenoverse.

https://imgur.com/a/TtcRD


2. In the DBH manga it is confirmed that all DB lore is a part of the DBH world, which is considered fiction in the real world in DBH like in our own world. They literally are shown playing DBH UMX on 3DS, and said to be treated like they are watching the events just like us.

https://imgur.com/a/D9o2t

https://imgur.com/gallery/znxtw


3. We have very specific examples of many DB games and spin offs existing in the DBH world further strengthening the proof that it can all be applied to DBH.

Of course we all have seen the DB/Z/GT/Super guys present with their stories. So unless you want to see more proof on them I will not need to post scans for that.


Dragon Ball 4D with God Broly.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qhjd1i6Zuk0


Dragon Ball Minus and other stuff

https://youtu.be/vl-TA84ijHg?t=83

https://imgur.com/a/Xi3O1


Dragon Ball Z Extreme Butoden (DBHUM2 is referring to SSJ4 Broly crossing from DBH to DBZEB)

https://imgur.com/a/ZYA6x


Dragon Ball Fusions

https://imgur.com/a/PpK21


Kuriza in DBH

https://imgur.com/a/k7Lqm


Neko Majin Z

https://youtu.be/8AqumRLIUdk?t=409


Dokkan in Xenoverse in Heroes

https://imgur.com/a/iDEfv


DBS Manga and Yamcha reincarnation spin off in DBH

https://imgur.com/a/FbHyp


DB Fighter Z part of Xenoverse which is part of heroes and Dokka

https://imgur.com/a/QXPel


Limit Break x Survivor singer (one who sings the DBS theme)

https://imgur.com/a/yoRgG

https://r3---sn-vgqsrnes.googlevide...m=34&mn=sn-vgqsrnes&ms=ltu&mt=1514333905&mv=m


Shin Budokai implied part of it (Babidi Buu is directly taken from Shin Budokai)

https://imgur.com/a/fZPzY


So, as you can see, we literally have over a dozen different DB shows, manga's, games/specials or spin offs directly being shown as part of DBH verse, and the implication that all DB lore is part of the DBH verse through the real world being just like our own, even referencing specific games and systems like DBH UMX on 3DS.

I believe this is significant proof that we can consider all the games etc as part of DBH multiverse.


Now for the second part of this, I would like to discuss a specific addition to the cosmology that is seen through the DB series. This is the amount of timelines in the DBH multiverse. I believe there is multiple things that prove it has infinite timelines. Following with the fact we should be able to use statements from any of the games and not strictly DBH only these become very important. We already know that many timelines are made over even the smallest changes so I will not repeat these things unless they are needed. I will get right into the infinite timelines statements.


1. It is directly stated in Dragon Ball Shin Budokai that there are "endless worlds" referring to timelines. This would be infinite timelines as endless is considered infinite.

https://imgur.com/J9flgps


2. In DB fusions when fighting ultra Pinich, there is an infinite number of friezas and cells that can re spawn from endless timelines no matter how many you kill. It states they come from time space holes which each link to alternate timelines. We have actually seen Cell use these before as well. Same with Goku black and Zamasu when fighting against fusion Zamasu. This would imply infinite versions and infinite timelines due to there being literally an endless amount of them.

https://imgur.com/a/FObWc

https://youtu.be/01N4ccVitJE?t=989


3. We already know there are infinite possibilities for timelines in DBX as stated by a patroller. And that "all sorts" of these possibilities in DBH actually exist already as stated and shown. So it further shows that infinite timelines is already plausible, even if you don't outright agree this alone is showing that the infinite ones already all exist since "all sorts" can be interpreted as all possible types of timelines.

https://imgur.com/a/Q6w5g


So there are multiple pieces of evidence that there are infinite timelines in DBH multiverse from multiple sources, scaling from the other series that are part of it.

I think we should accept the other DB content as part of the DBH multiverse, and consider the multiverse to contain infinite timelines due to this information.

I will admit all of these look pretty solid to me. I've always knew that all of the games connected to each other.

Seems pretty good to me.

This looks pretty good to me.

It's solid to me also wasn't there a game called dragon ball online and IIRC was stated to have infinite timelines or shit like that? I forgot on dragon ball online just thought of extra shit to give for the already solid stuff here

There are enough evidences. This should be more than sufficient.

Glad you guys agree so far.

@TISSG7Redgrave Yes, DBO said there was a myriad of timelines made by Mira and Towa, although myriad is somewhat vague and can mean infinite or just a lot. But it does further back up the size of infinite being plausible.

Look pretty solid for me as well.

You can ask Azathoth to comment here.

You can also ask the staff members listed under Dragon Ball in the Knowledgeable Members List.

I think he already did.

what do i do to get my name in that list?

I've always known DBH was omnipresent :^)

HrishikeshM said:

what do i do to get my name in that list?

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You can put it yourself but only and only if you consider yourself an expert and are unbiased towards the verse.

I'll wait for Azzy, as the worlds very well may be connected, but we already went over why SB Cell's "endless worlds" statement doesn't hold up.

Well that's only the icing on the cake. The rest of the evidence must also be reviewed accordingly.

I've reviewed the evidence for the other infinite things. Herms himself already debunked the XV Patroller one, and nothing implies infinite timelines in the Fusions one. Those two are extrapolation at best. Only one that has some validity is SB!Cell's statement, but not only is he not a reliable source, but by context, he means that he'll go from world to world wreaking havoc as long as he pleases. While this does likely mean there's enough to reach 2-B, as him constantly going to worlds throughout his life would get that for the same reason Flowey does, there needs to be a direct statement of infinite worlds from a reliable source, be it Chronoa, Demigra, Time Patroller Trunks, or even some researcher.

Bruh Herms debunked the DBH one about the possibilities. Not the Xenoverse one.

There is also the DB Fusions thing.

And we should probably wait for SSJRyu1 and Azathoth to comment once again.

Wait, the "history can take an infinite number of paths" line? That doesn't mean anything. So can any fiction's world. Heck, so can real life.

Until someone knowledgeable says a statement that blatantly says there are infinite (or another synonym) worlds, there's not going to be infinite universes.

The DB Fusions thing is literally extrapolation at best. Nothing there even says anything about infinites. We know there's a ton of timelines. That's all. It's not like they're Lavos.

I think that Cal makes sense.

@Cal

All herms said is what I posted above, that "all sorts of possibilities" are overlaping in the DBH scan. So nothing has been debunked about Xenoverse. That is more of a supporting point anyhow that there are indeed infinite possibilities for timelines, so it is confirmed to be plausable to be infinte by that alone.

Cell's statement is specifically that there are endless worlds. Whether or not he goes to them all doesn't really change that, "endless" means infnite. That is a term we have always accepted as infinite here. One could easily argue almost any infnite statement is hyperbole, but when we get infinite or endless timelines we have accepted it here consistently. This is one main point that is an outright infinite statement. Also Cell is a reliable source, he is a super android with Dr.Gero's databases in him and he understands how to work the time machiene to and the alternate timelines. So I don't see any reason to dismiss his statement, especially when he has no reason to lie about the number of timelines, and Trunks does not correct him or call BS.

DB fusions has an infnite loop of alternate friezas and Cells that each come from an alternate timeline. Technically since they continue to appear from alternate timelines infinitly it means infinite timelines. We use the same game logic to get 2-B Pokemon due to number of games and permutations out there instead of 2-C, same curtousy should be extended here for this infinte loop of timelines.

Have you asked Azathoth to comment here?

There is literally nothing that implies infinite timelines with the Fusions thing.

@Ant Yes, I commented on his wall, but if you think you can reach him quicker sometimes he takes days to respond to me.

@Ever Friezas and Cells continuously come from alternate timelines in an infinite loop that never ends no matter how many you kill, that implies it.

Also SB directly says there are endless timelines, which is a direct infinte timelines statement.

That doesn't imply an infinite number, that just means "there's a lot".

I think it's the kinda of situation that there are so many timelines, that are considered like infinite by the characters.

@Ever Endless means infinte dude. And a literal infinte loop of alternate timelines is pretty self explanitory imo. We even used the number of copies of Pokemon games to justify 2-B, using the infnite loop here as supporting proof for 2-A size multiverse is not unreasonable.

@Dark I mean it is possible, but we always have accepted "infinte" or "endless" statements as proof of 2-A size multiverses, I don't see a specific reason to doubt that we can do the same here when it is perfectly possible here to.

I agree that there is a massive difference between seemingly limitless and genuinely infinite.

@Ant True, however in this instance Cell states "endless worlds" without any qualifier like seemingly or virtually, just endless which would mean literal infinite. Also the timelines in DBF where Frieza and Cell continualy come from is a literal infinte loop of timelines, so we do have literal endless/infinite feats/statements as opposed to seemingly limitless ones.

Versions of Frieza and Cell continuously appearing would fall under seemingly limitless.

hmmm, well if you say so, but it is a literall infnite loop so i don't see why it wouldn't be considered literal infinite. Still though it is stated outright there are endless timelines, so I think that speaks for itself as a direct infinte timelines statement since it is not speculatory and doesn't have anything to qualify it like virtually, or seemingly.

Can you explain again how there is an explicit endless timelines statement?

Cell states "Any world, any time and all the destruction I want ... Endless worlds..." when talking about using Trunks time machiene to travel to alternate timelines, worlds meaning timelines and there being "endless worlds". So he says there are endless timelines directly in that.

https://imgur.com/J9flgps

I am not sure if we can consider Cell an authority regarding this.

Cell is not an authority, but I'm pretty sure the statement is there for a reason.

Azathoth's input would be highly appreciated, though.

Well Cell is a super intelligent android who has all of Doctor Geroes databases from his super computer, all the knoledge of all those he was made of, and knows about and understands how to work Trunks time machiene to, even using it before. And Trunks does not disagree with him or his claims and thinks them to be legitamite. I beleive he understands time travel well, which he has done and knows how to do, and the statement would be there for a reason like Kepekley23 said.

Well, maybe, maybe not. I would also prefer Azathoth's evaluation.

@SSJRyu1

I don't feel that it is directly regarding infinite timelines. Was his answer in a question regarding cosmology?

I feel like Cell is going from a standard of hyperbolic threat, and not actually saying there are infinite timelines to attack. How would he have any way of even knowing their existence? Can the time matchine locate all timelines or even any timelines at once? Just saying because he's an intelligent android isn't enough, if he has no way of logically knowing of infinite timelines.

Honestly with all the feats in Dragon Ball Heroes, I would NOT be surprised if they were simply able to "Sense" the amount of timelines there are.

Also when was that a problem Ikani? We have plenty of characters that "Has no logical way of knowing" but still went through with upgrades on this site because of simply too much evidence saying otherwise.