8-B+/Low 8-A Tournament Round 1, Match 1: Kasumi Goto vs Daidouji

[Loyd]

That's not that same as total paralysis since it's a temporary affect,

its stuns for a couple of seconds which will be enough

and we did establish before that Dai being 1.799124053x stronger would be more than able to tank any attacks from Kasumi

Kasumi doesn't fight h2h she'd use her equipment(weapon and explosive)

 

[RandomGuy2345]

Would Extrasensory Perception help Daidouji here?

 

[Loyd]

yes it'd make her illusions and decoys worthless but she has no counter to overload.

 

[Hagane_no_Saiyajin]

Kasumi doesn't fight h2h she'd use her equipment(weapon and explosive)

Dai can still tank the bombs, and Extrasensory Perception can even help her dodge the bombs

 

[Hagane_no_Saiyajin]

she has no counter to overload.

1.799124053x durability go brrrrr...

 

[RandomGuy2345]

1.799124053x durability go brrrrr...

Had a visual of your pfp character (Miu) saying this...

 

[Loyd]

Dai can still tank the bombs,

during the stun she'd get filled with explosive rounds and a grenade explosion, how much of it can she tank?

Extrasensory Perception can even help her dodge the bombs

not when shes stunned

1.799124053x durability go brrrrr..

bro its stun via electric manip her dura being slightly higher won't change that.

 

[RandomGuy2345]

The stun effect lasts a couple of seconds, right?

I think the real question is "How many rounds can Kasumi put on Daidouji before the effect wears off?"

 

[frissen]

The stun effect lasts a couple of seconds, right?

I think the real question is "How many rounds can Kasumi put on Daidouji before the effect wears off?"

I mean, she has an smg in standard equipment, so probably a lot

 

[Hagane_no_Saiyajin]

throwing a grenade isn't the same as firing an smg

 

[Loyd]

throwing a grenade isn't the same as firing an smg

she starts with an smg and high explosive rounds specifically cause mini detonations on impact i don't think daido would be in good condition to fight after the stun wears off, and kasumi still has her flashbang grenades to stun/disorient(lightly geared enemy get knocked down aswell). grenades are just supplementary to her kit

 

[RandomGuy2345]

throwing a grenade isn't the same as firing an smg

Yeah. If Kasumi is able to stun Daidouji, she'd have to take her down as quickly as possible.

The average SMG fires automatically at a cyclic rate of 600-1000 rounds per minute.

A couple of seconds (the length of the stun effect) should be assumed to be 2 seconds. There is 60 seconds in a minute.

This means that Kasumi will be firing around 20-33 rounds every 2 seconds (correct me if I'm wrong).

Would this be enough to take down Daidouji? There's no way Daidouji can avoid being stunned, right?

 

[Hagane_no_Saiyajin]

This is how I would imagine this fight would go:

 

[frissen]

Yeah. If Kasumi is able to stun Daidouji, she'd have to take her down as quickly as possible.

The average SMG fires automatically at a cyclic rate of 600-1000 rounds per minute.

A couple of seconds (the length of the stun effect) should be assumed to be 2 seconds. There is 60 seconds in a minute.

This means that Kasumi will be firing around 20-33 rounds every 2 seconds (correct me if I'm wrong).

Would this be enough to take down Daidouji? There's no way Daidouji can avoid being stunned, right?

Seems like there's no avoiding it. Each of the rounds is city block+, so I don't think that's survivable.

 

[Hagane_no_Saiyajin]

Would this be enough to take down Daidouji?

I wouldn't think so, we all know how Vegeta vs Cui went

 

[Hagane_no_Saiyajin]

Each of the rounds is city block+

Except that Dai has 1.799124053x the AP durability

 

[frissen]

Except that Dai has 1.799124053x the AP durability

Assuming 5 seconds of stun and 10 rounds/second, that's 782 Tons of AP total, which is multi-city block level+. Dai is only city block level dura.

 

[RandomGuy2345]

I wouldn't think so, we all know how Vegeta vs Cui went

I watched the video, but I don't understand what you're trying to say here.

 

[Loyd]

yeah and there not ordinary rounds either they detonate on impact, if her shots hits vitals its pretty much over. which shouldn't be hard for an expert like kasumi especially if the target is briefly stunned at a place like the worlds martial arts tournmant with no cover around.

 

[frissen]

I'll vote Kasumi for stun into multi-city block level+ worth of bullets.

 

[Hagane_no_Saiyajin]

Cui blasted Vegeta with multi-round attacks similar to what is being suggested with Kasumi, but Vegeta tanked it just fine

 

[frissen]

Cui blasted Vegeta with multi-round attacks similar to what is being suggested with Kasumi, but Vegeta tanked it just fine

I don't understand. What is the point you're trying to make?

 

[Hagane_no_Saiyajin]

if her shots hits vitals its pretty much over

I don't think they are able to penetrate Dai, isn't it the explosion that's 8-B+ and not the bullet getting shot

 

[RandomGuy2345]

Assuming 5 seconds of stun and 10 rounds/second, that's 782 Tons of AP total, which is multi-city block level+. Dai is only city block level dura.

The effect lasts a couple of seconds. A couple is 2. 5 seconds is stretching it.

 

[frissen]

The effect lasts a couple of seconds. A couple is 2. 5 seconds is stretching it.

Ok. With 2 seconds, that's 312 tons of force, which is still solidly in multi-city block.

 

[frissen]

I don't think they are able to penetrate Dai, isn't it the explosion that's 8-B+ and not the bullet getting shot

Even if they don't penetrate, that's 312 tons of explosive force, which I don't think Dai can take

 

[Loyd]

I don't think they are able to penetrate Dai, isn't it the explosion that's 8-B+ and not the bullet getting shot

yea her bullets won't cut it just the grenades can give her the wincon ig

The effect lasts a couple of seconds. A couple is 2. 5 seconds is stretching it.

mass effect 2 has it at 3s but thats stunning a synthnetic, its mass effect 3 that overload stuns organic unprotected enemies they don't specify how long maybe someone can play me3 and time it.

 

[Hagane_no_Saiyajin]

Pretend Kasumi is Cui and Daidouji is Vegeta

 

[RandomGuy2345]

I don't think they are able to penetrate Dai, isn't it the explosion that's 8-B+ and not the bullet getting shot

Powers and Stats​

Tier: 9-A physically, 9-B to 9-A with weaponry, 8-B with high explosives rounds/grenades

 

[Hagane_no_Saiyajin]

Although with extrasen-perception, could Dai predict when Kasumi is shooting her rounds before Kasumi can do that?

 

[RandomGuy2345]

Ok. With 2 seconds, that's 312 tons of force, which is still solidly in multi-city block.

Even if they don't penetrate, that's 312 tons of explosive force, which I don't think Dai can take

The difference between the explosive force and Daidouji's AP is ~3.91x.

It's going to do damage, but not enough to take her down. Frantic Mode makes it worse for Kasumi.

 

[Loyd]

well frantic lowers her durability.

can daido survive a barrage and an explosion during the stun after that if she gets close to kasumi its basically over.

 

[frissen]

The difference between the explosive force and Daidouji's AP is ~3.91x.

It's going to do damage, but not enough to take her down. Frantic Mode makes it worse for Kasumi.

It would be 5x if she also threw a grenade during the stun. Could she toss a grenade in her off hand while using the smg?

 

[RandomGuy2345]

well frantic lowers her durability.

can daido survive a barrage and an explosion during the stun after that if she gets close to kasumi its basically over.

How much does it lower her durability? A 3.91x advantage is nice, but is Daidouji's Frantic Mode make it to the point where it's impossible to survive? This is also assuming she would be in Frantic Mode while stunned, which doesn't seem likely.

Daido will survive if she's not in Frantic Mode. I'm not sure if she can survive it if she is in Frantic Mode. Though, once again, the chances of Daido being in Frantic Mode while getting stunned seems unlikely, considering that the stun effect is something Kasumi will open with, right?

 

[RandomGuy2345]

It would be 5x if she also threw a grenade during the stun. Could she toss a grenade in her off hand while using the smg?

SMG's work best in close range, so Kasumi will have to be in close range in order for her to be extremely accurate. If she's throwing a grenade at Daido while shooting, there's a chance that Kasumi will miss a few shots, which will be crucial. Plus, since the effect lasts only a couple of seconds, throwing a grenade won't be effective, as Daido would've already recovered by then. It's game over at that point.

 

[Loyd]

It would be 5x if she also threw a grenade during the stun. Could she toss a grenade in her off hand while using the smg?

Daido will survive if she's not in Frantic Mode. I'm not sure if she can survive it if she is in Frantic Mode. Though, once again, the chances of Daido being in Frantic Mode while getting stunned seems unlikely, considering that the stun effect is something Kasumi will open with, right?

gameplay wise you(mc) issue the orders but kasumi starts with her smg and invisibility the other equipment and tech abilities are situational or are secondary. tldr she can use them all comfortably but her weapon and stealth is like primary.

 

[Hagane_no_Saiyajin]

Daido will survive if she's not in Frantic Mode. I'm not sure if she can survive it if she is in Frantic Mode. Though, once again, the chances of Daido being in Frantic Mode while getting stunned seems unlikely

Like I said, she doesn't need it

 

[RandomGuy2345]

gameplay wise you(mc) issue the orders but kasumi starts with her smg and invisibility the other equipment and grenads are situational or are secondary. tldr she can use them all comfortably but her weapon and stealth is like primary.

This strategy won't work due to Daido's Extrasensory Perception.

 

[Loyd]

can someone get scans for daido extrasensory? idk what it does

 

[RandomGuy2345]

can someone get scans for daido extrasensory? idk what it does

Not knowledgeable on the verse, so can't find the right scan :/