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7-C+ Tournament Round 1, Match 6: Koon Ran vs Queen Wasp

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Literally all the time as Queen Bee. The only reason she doesn't do this as Queen Wasp too is because she has the wasps to do it for her
huh.. now i'm confused. who's Queen Bee?
Still doesn't mean much except he got resistance to those things. These aren't really stamina feats tbh
Except it does. Regulars can resist the effects of of Shinsoo. And he's from one the the Great Families, which basically gives them an edge in literally everything, power, energy, stamina, etc etc. At the very least the "feat" isn't all that great, but it's far better than what's on Queen Wasp's stamina. Literally just "Superhuman".
Not really, since more are coming all the time and she can literally keep doing this all day, while from his stamina he can't keep up as well
Could you show me the fight with her and Ladybug please?
 
What's not making sense? He literally fought for moths while using Second Chance to Rewind time over and over again more than 25,000 times
Let's say two cars ram into each other. They're equal in the damage. Does that mean that they have the same gasoline volume? No.

Same here. Unless she fought him for those months she would still not scale to him.
 
stamina don't scale to other characters of the same series even if they have higher stats or whatsoever.
Miraculous holders resistance isn’t about having higher stats. It's about sharing the same source of enhanced physicals.

And anyways, Chloé would still scale to Aspik, as she's able to wear multiple Miraculouses without flinching while the former stated that it was a dangerous thing to do with just two given the physical and mental constraints in doing so.

Dude, if a character with "godlike" stamina is facing someone with "superhuman" stamina, then the person with godlike stamina has more stamina.
What's "god like" stamina and what's "superhuman" stamina?
who's Queen Bee?
Base Queen Wasp, basically.
 
huh.. now i'm confused. who's Queen Bee?
Queen Wasp's un-akumatized form. Queen Wasp is Queen Bee but her abilities got enchanced
Except it does. Regulars can resist the effects of of Shinsoo. And he's from one the the Great Families, which basically gives them an edge in literally everything, power, energy, stamina, etc etc. At the very least the "feat" isn't all that great, but it's far better than what's on Queen Wasp's stamina. Literally just "Superhuman".
I literally explained the feat to you. Maybe address that before you write

And what you wrote is still very vauge. Especially since you didn't explained anything
Could you show me the fight with her and Ladybug please?
Here you go
 
This usually is the product of a specific training, lifestyle and physiology, featuring differences even among the members of the same species, and thus it heavily depends on the conformation of a single individual. On top of that, it is often related to willpower and determination, making it even more unique. For this reason it is recommended to not scale stamina between characters that are comparable or superior to each other in terms of statistics such as Attack Potency, Durability etc. It should be allowed only when levels of stamina are explicitly defined as common and natural traits shared by members of the same species or group, or through direct statements and evidences of characters being comparable in such aspect.
 
This usually is the product of a specific training, lifestyle and physiology, featuring differences even among the members of the same species, and thus it heavily depends on the conformation of a single individual. On top of that, it is often related to willpower and determination, making it even more unique. For this reason it is recommended to not scale stamina between characters that are comparable or superior to each other in terms of statistics such as Attack Potency, Durability etc. It should be allowed only when levels of stamina are explicitly defined as common and natural traits shared by members of the same species or group, or through direct statements and evidences of characters being comparable in such aspect.
 
Is that the full fight? Because I'm not seeing Danmaku AT ALL. In fact, she turns the wasps into shapes/weapons which is far easier to dodge, then just a random bunch of wasps. I literally don't see how Ran is struggling here. Especially since she doesn't spam it NEARLY as much as you guys were saying she does, and Cat Noir was literally able to get her from close, and the only reason why he didn't hit her was because she knocked him away with her staff.
So:

A) She spams it in moderation
B) No danmaku to be found
C) She shoots them in shapes, so they're far easier to dodge
D) She doesn't use her paraylsis on herself in this key clearly seeing what she did against Cat Noir.
E) Her wasps got outpaced by both Cat Noir and Ladybug, who are equal to her in speed.

I don't see how Ran doesn't take this???
 
Is that the full fight? Because I'm not seeing Danmaku AT ALL. In fact, she turns the wasps into shapes/weapons which is far easier to dodge, then just a random bunch of wasps. I literally don't see how Ran is struggling here. Especially since she doesn't spam it NEARLY as much as you guys were saying she does, and Cat Noir was literally able to get her from close, and the only reason why he didn't hit her was because she knocked him away with her staff.
So:
No it's not the full fight. That is a clip since I couldn't find the enitre episode in youtube
 
And what do you mean by group....

The strawhats is a group... Does that mean they all have the same stamina? Do you have proof of queen wasp upscaling from someone's elses stamina feat?
 
What's "god like" stamina and what's "superhuman" stamina?
Godlike stamina is basically crazy amounts of stamina. Like, no way that person is ever getting tired. Old King Thor is a good example of this.

Superhuman stamina is just stamina that is above any level of stamina a human can reach. It's impressive when you compare it to a human, but it's not impressive compared to the other stamina levels.
 
Found the remainder of the fight.

My point still stands.

Ran takes this low-mid diff.
Explain how and why. They literally needed to run into water and then hide in trash cans to avoid the wasps. And then attack Queen Wasp by surprise so she wouldn't be able to process what's going on and quickly drag her to the water to avoid her wasps

And the wasps were actively searching for them, and in the battle they'll search for him too
 
A) She spams it in moderation
B) No danmaku to be found
C) She shoots them in shapes, so they're far easier to dodge
D) She doesn't use her paraylsis on herself in this key clearly seeing what she did against Cat Noir.
E) Her wasps got outpaced by both Cat Noir and Ladybug, who are equal to her in speed.
Anyways this still stands.

Queen Wasp's fighting style was HEAVILY dramatized in this thread. It's ridiculous. To say that she spams danmaku in character, and yet not one time had she done it against Cat Noir and Ladybug is quite literally false. Her attacks being "hard to avoid" isn't true when A) Characters of equal speed were able to react and run away, and B) Ran has speed amps.

Her being basically "Untouchable" is also very untrue as Cat Noir was able to tag her, and she didn't "paralyze" her as you said she would if Ran got close.
 
Explain how and why. They literally needed to run into water and then hide in trash cans to avoid the wasps. And then attack Queen Wasp by surprise so she wouldn't be able to process what's going on and quickly drag her to the water to avoid her wasps
My point is that they were able to tag her (as Noir did in the first clip you sent). She didn't bother to send wasps after him. She didn't paralyze him on contact. Meaning IT IS possible for him to get close, especially with the speed amp. She doesn't spam danmaku, nor does she even use her "danmaku" effectively (as she just uses them to shape them into missiles, or cones), making them VERY easy to dodge (ignoring the clear speed amp Ran has to his advantage).
 
Yeah, there's no explanation as to why Ran's stamina is high. Though, stamina won't really matter. It's not like Ran's getting tired in a few minutes.
 
They all share the same power source (their miraculouses), so they all scale to the same feats, as the Miraculouses only differ from each other in the special power they give to the holder
I guess we should scale every haki user to the most impressive stamina feats 🐵
 
Queen Wasp was wanked in this thread 100%.
You still did not explained how he wins. And how in character would he use his speed amp? Especially since he wouldn't feel any need to dodge her attacks since he doesn't know what they'll do to him
 
You still did not explained how he wins.
Aoe and lightning spam.
And how in character would he use his speed amp?
He used it against Anaak. (in a 1v1)
Especially since he wouldn't feel any need to dodge her attacks since he doesn't know what they'll do to him
If she's abusing range, and she won't allow him to go close, then he'll use his speed amp to get close to her, simple.

This is already assuming that her attacks can't just be dodged since speed equal, and her attacks are easy to dodge.
 
Also if they share the same stamina feats, then what's this?
Stated to be the most resilient Miraculous holder both physically and mentally, making her comparable to Kim, who won the County Athletics)
 
And what do you mean by group....
Miraculous Holders.
The strawhats is a group... Does that mean they all have the same stamina?
No. Although you would had made a much better case if you had picked Devil Fruit users.
Do you have proof of queen wasp upscaling from someone's elses stamina feat?
And anyways, Chloé would still scale to Aspik, as she's able to wear multiple Miraculouses without flinching while the former stated that it was a dangerous thing to do with just two given the physical and mental constraints in doing so.
Godlike stamina is basically crazy amounts of stamina. Like, no way that person is ever getting tired. Old King Thor is a good example of this
Godlike / Extremely High

The point that doesn’t gets across is that there's no stamina ranking and as such falls under others thought in the matter. Some people thing Godlike is near limitless, some others think godlike is not even a month.
 
Aoe and lightning spam.
What stops her from dodging? She wouldn't remain stationary
He used it against Anaak. (in a 1v1)
Can you show the feat where it happened?
If she's abusing range, and she won't allow him to go close, then he'll use his speed amp, to get close to her, simple.
And then what? How would he defeat her? Especially since if she sees he's getting close she'll call the wasps to her to cover herself which will protect her
 
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