7-A Brackets Round 3

[Dargoo_Faust]

Third round of the 7-A brackets begins! The winner of the last round was Gildedguy, assuming grace isn't broken by a CRT or whatever.

Current Standings

The contenders this round are Mr. Popo, submitted by Ogbunabali, and Meliodas, submitted by Peter1129.

AP wise I beleive both are 7-A by virtue of outclassing 7-B+s, so they should be equal int hat regard.

Since Popo is just "faster than lightning" (Mach 1294) and Meliodas is Mach 804 I'll leave speed unequalized unless it causes an issue.

Sealed Meliodas with Lostvayne is used here (Yes, he can deploy Wrath as it doesn't take him out of 7-A). Battle takes place on an abandoned Kami's lookout.

Meliodas - 5 (Peter, Schnee, DMUA, Bambu, Crimson)

Mr. Popo - 10 (Ogbunabali, Uninown, Smashtwig, Dragon, Iap, Jacky, Cal, Spino, Fate, Wright)

Incon - 3 (Versus, Phoenix, Arrogant)

On the Fence but Not Inconclusive - 1 (Cal)

 

[DMUA]

Okay this is epic

First and foremost, don't think Ki counts as NNT Magic, so Full Counter won't do much, thereby his clones won't get him much milage.

 

[Dargoo_Faust]

Best thing Meliodas has going for him is his regen assuming it's combat-applicable.

 

[DMUA]

... don't remember where he gets Mid Regen honestly

but, main way to kill a demon is to stab all 7 of it's hearts, so Popo doing that is going to be a bit troublesome.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

@DMUA He was able to reattach lost limbs while fighting the ten commandments

 

[Dargoo_Faust]

I mean, Popo's energy beams have the area of effect to hit Meliodas' entire body, so it's certainly possible.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

How far into 7-A is Mel

 

[Uninown]

Time to discuss this well. Correct me if i'm wrong in either field

Mr. Popo

• Possibly a higher edge experience wise
• Slightly faster
• Can't be Full Countered by Meliodas due to the nature of Ki, or any similar variations of it.
• Can use his carpet to teleport, having an unconventional edge on range
• Ki sensing or control (Not sure about this one) (?)

Meliodas

• Has a way wider arsenal than Popo
• Can deploy Wrath
• Able to use Lostvayne
• Regenerationn

I think they are pretty even. I'm more knowledgeable on Popo rather than Meliodas, so correct me out. Will see how this develops and then i will put down my decision.

 

[The_Wright_Way]

How far into 7-A is Mel

Read the OP.

 

[Dargoo_Faust]

How far into 7-A is Mel

Both Mel and Popo are 7-A due to outclassing 7-B+s (Although Meliodas should be reasonably higher than baseline due to scaling), so I'd say Mel has an AP advantage, although nothing like 2x.

 

[Peter1129]

I thought under SBA (or was it verse equalization?) energy attacks can be reflected by Full Counter? At least that's what i saw in the Boros vs Meliodas thread a while back.

Anyways if I'm correct AP wise

Mr. Popo is 7-A via being much stronger than 97 Megaton characters. Base Meliodas w/ Lostvayne is 7-A via being able to damage Albion I who is comparable to Gray Demon Hendrickson who is 7-A via casually stomping/one shotting King who is stronger than Diane w/ GIdeon who is 71.7 Megatons. And he could further amp himself with the Demon Mark and Wrath.

Speed wise

Mr. Popo is Mach 1294 via being faster than lightning. Meliodas is Mach 804 in Base but he could enter use demon mark to blitz characters comparable to him in speed and get even faster when using Wrath.

However Meliodas is a glass cannon unless he uses Wrath so take that into consideration.

Here's my vote

 

[Uninown]

Isn't Gray Demon Hendrickson a little above baseline though?

 

[DMUA]

@DMUA He was able to reattach lost limbs while fighting the ten commandments

... You mean via just closing the severing via his Demon Sauce?

That's Mid Low.

 

[Wokistan]

Wait, why is mel's durability like that? THe 7-A feat listed is a physical one.

 

[Peter1129]

Lostvayne a weapon that increases his AP but not durability. He only gaines 7-A durability when he uses Wrath.

 

[DMUA]

Also, I think Popo and Meliodas are even

Both are Demonic monsters Thousands of years old, but Meliodas has gone on active war duty for a few good hundred while Popo lives a more peaceful life on Kami's tower.

 

[Uninown]

He's only 7-A with Lostvayne a weapon that increases his AP and in Wrath.

This

 

[Wokistan]

Yeah but if it buffs his attack and he doesn't tear his arm apart by swinging it his durability would have to be somewhat comparable.

 

[Uninown]

Would verse equalization ruin this or even be applicable? Or just keep it plain SBA without any further additions?

 

[Iapitus_The_Impaler]

I like getting consistent matches that aren't stomps and seem like good fights

 

[Peter1129]

I think Meliodas' mid Regenerationn scales from Chandler regenerating after having his head cut off by Arthur.

 

[VersusJunkie54]

Yeah but if it buffs his attack and he doesn't tear his arm apart by swinging it his durability would have to be somewhat comparable.

The difference between 71 megatons and Meliodas' AP in 7-A is at the absolute most x3. That isn't anywhere near the kind of ap-durability differential you'd need to rip an arm off.

 

[Wokistan]

You can start hurting your own muscles rather quickly with overexertion. Just ask anyone who's done weightlifting for a while. Saying you'd need 3 times your regular output to harm yourself if anything seems like a highball.

 

[Peter1129]

Meliodas doesn't have 71 Megaton durability. He's just unquantifiably higher than 14 Megatons for being stronger than Gilthunder. 7-B+ are only for the characters that are comparable ot stronger than Diane with Gideon.

 

[VersusJunkie54]

I think it more comes down to the fact that you can do more damage to something with a really sharp object then you can with your bare fists.

 

[Wokistan]

Doesn't he normally use swords though?

 

[Peter1129]

Normal swords aren't as powerful as Sacred Treaures like Lostvayne

 

[VersusJunkie54]

Doesn't he normally use swords though?

Yes. But Lostvayne is a Sacred Treasure, and is on a completely different level compared to Liz's sword. @Peter If Meliodas is using his Demon Mark, I think his combat class is comparable to Diane's.

 

[Wokistan]

Swords don't really have AP of their own but whatever, I guess. Chalk it up to fiction.

Having durability that low would seem like it would be an issue, is his reflect on par with that or his AP?

 

[Peter1129]

Diane w/ Gideon > weakened Sealed Wrath Meliodas > Sealed Demon Mark Meliodas.

Meliodas only becomes stronger than Diane w/ Gideon when he gets Lostvayne and when he uses Wrath.

 

[VersusJunkie54]

But I think you have a bit of a point. But I don't know what to think, it is fiction after all

 

[VersusJunkie54]

Diane w/ Gideon > weakened Sealed Wrath Meliodas > Sealed Demon Mark Meliodas.
Meliodas only becomes stronger than Diane w/ Gideon when he gets Lostvayne and when he uses Wrath.

Well yeah He does have Lostvayne here, and can use his Demon Mark.

NNT low-tiers scaling always give me a headache.

 

[Peter1129]

@VersusJunkie54 That only further increases his 7-A AP though. His durability will just be higher than before which was already unquantifiably higher than 14 Megatons. But anyways since he has Regenerationn he should be able to survive attacks from Popo and eventually after realizing he's a threat he'll use Demon Mark or Wrath to stomp/one shot him.

@Wokistan Meliodas' emotions which are weaker than Ba can full counter attacks from 50% Demon King

 

[VersusJunkie54]

Popo is at least 10X stronger than Meliodas' durability. Meaning that his attacks will probably at the least cripple Meliodas on impact. His regen can probably keep him going, but Demons can't regen forever.

Eventually when he realizes how destroyed his body is getting, he'll succomb to his Wrath like he did against Galand

 

[FateAlbane]

If Popo is like 10 times stronger than Mel's dura, wouldn't he actually oneshot with a powerful ki blast?

 

[VersusJunkie54]

Possibly. He would definitely be crippled. So Meliodas is initially at a critical disadvantage.

 

[Peter1129]

Does Popo start with ki blast? Cause if he doesn't Meliodas will regenerate and use the Demon Mark or Wrath from the get go. Also I'm pretty sure even if he does Meliodas would Full Counter the attack back at him since the difference in speed isn't that big.

 

[VersusJunkie54]

Meliodas can FC away a Ki blast since under SBA it fits. His best opening move would be to use all 5 of his Lostvayne clones to FC.

 

[FateAlbane]

Popo doesn't open with Ki Blasts, but can FC still repel something that's 10 times stronger than Meliodas, though?

 

[Dargoo_Faust]

Meliodas can FC away a Ki blast since under SBA it fits

Ki is distinctly different than Magic in Dragon Ball. The verse goes out of the way to explain it on occasion.