6D Silver Bubbles

[EldemadeDityjon]

SPOILER: R>F Difference
SPOILER: Chapter 504
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Scan from OP's post (*Silver Lamps)

Spoiler

What you said has nothing to do with perceiving

"Sir Balzarondo. With all due respect, they are inhabitants of a shallow world, the first layer of which has just been created. I doubt if they know the Five Saints."

 

[Iamunanimousinthat]

SPOILER: R>F Difference
SPOILER: Chapter 504
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Scan from OP's post (*Silver Lamps)

I don't think you quoted it correctly.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

I don't think you quoted it correctly.

Silver Light doesn't inheritedly make the character exists inside them able to perceive to others. It's a characteristics of Evolved Bubble. Like I said above Luna and Evansmana existed in Bubble world and it couldn't be perceived by Silver Bubbles inhabitants. If What max King says is true ask him to send a scan for them perceiving Both Luna and Evansmana existence while they were in Bubble World.

Why wouldn't they Perceive the existence of Luna and Evansmana if what max King says is true because its not. He is trying to twist the explanation.

Here is the full scan. Inhabitants invaded the World of militia after it got Reincarnated (evolved) more like it was re-created. Then sink into layer 1.

Spoiler: Chapter 499

　Heading to my world, I flew as fast as I could.

　The visibility was poor, but I had memorized the sea route when I arrived.

　As I proceeded, relying on my memory, I eventually saw a silver bubble.

　I feel the magic of Militia.
　I go backwards through the silver light emanating from that small world.

　This silver light is what allows me to enter and exit the small world. It is also from this silver light that Militia's magic power is leaking out.

　So it is reasonable to assume that the silver lamp was not working until the world of Militia was reborn.

　Hence, Kostoria and Balzarondo could not perceive this small world and did not notice Mom and the spirit godman's sword until now.

　It is understandable that they came here after the world reincarnation as if they had shown it to each other.

 

[MaxLevel_King]

SPOILER: R>F Difference
SPOILER: Chapter 504
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Scan from OP's post (*Silver Lamps)

I don't think you quoted it correctly.

Scan:

"The reason we do not return the fire dew to the Bubble World is because there are no silver lamps, so it is impossible to see inside from the outside. The Bubble World is not stable, and any attempt to enter it from the outside may result in a disturbance of the order, thus closing off the possibility of evolution." "You are saying that just by entering it, it will be destroyed?" "That may be the case. Above all, the bubbling world will have to let the returned fire dew out again. That would be like drawing water into a bucket with a hole in it. It is inefficient and is said to cause the loss of fire dew."

 

[YoPercy]

Meh, why I am still here. I will unfollow this thread. Remind me when Elde gives up and bow down to me and ask me to do a better thread.

Honestly, you should redo it and make it better...

 

[WIngs_Of_Despair]

This silver light is what allows me to enter and exit the small world. It is also from this silver light that Militia's magic power is leaking out.

　So it is reasonable to assume that the silver lamp was not working until the world of Militia was reborn.

Doesn't this quote go against your premise? They pretty directly state that what allows them to enter these worlds is the light from the silver lamps. The reason they couldn't detect Militia before was because it wasn't giving off the silver light due to the silver lamp not working (I assume because it wasn't a silver bubble before), not because the bubble world is perceived as nonexistent. I find the other scans relating to the nature of the bubble worlds being seen as nonexistent to silver bubble inhabitants lacking as well.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Doesn't this quote go against your premise? They pretty directly state that what allows them to enter these worlds is the light from the silver lamps. The reason they couldn't detect Militia before was because it wasn't giving off the silver light due to the silver lamp not working (I assume because it wasn't a silver bubble before), not because the bubble world is perceived as nonexistent. I find the other scans relating to the nature of the bubble worlds being seen as nonexistent to silver bubble inhabitants lacking as well.

Silver Bubble & Bubble World are both different. Bubble World borns as a Bubble in the sea then stays like that keeping creation and destruction of Worlds inside of it for many times until it becomes a Silver Bubble. Many bubbles gets destroyed on their own without evolution

But when it becomes a Silver Complete nature of its changes. Moving from layer 0 to layer 1 is new birth for worlds

"Sir Balzarondo. With all due respect, they are inhabitants of a shallow world, the first layer of which has just been created. I doubt if they know the Five Saints."

Moving from layer 1 to layer 2 isn't. There is already huge difference between layers. Bubble World and Silver Bubbles difference isn't even comparable.

This scan is just for layers difference.

Balzarondo instantly moved in front of me right as I fell to my knees.
No magic was used. It was just plain speed.
"Hmm. I thought I was just a little out of shape." "In this small world, which exists deeper than your small world, the power of everything is in another dimension. Strength, speed, toughness, magic power, everything. Even the resistance of a grain of air would be a weight to you. If you unleash your shallow, world-destroying magic, you will not be able to destroy a single ship here."
Balzarondo said admonishingly.

Also bubble world would be destroyed if it ever enters layer 1 without evolution.

The evolution from Bubble to Silver Bubbles is different from layer 1 to layer 2.

Bubble World would be recreated into something new that is What is called as Silver Bubbles. But from layer 1 to 2 there won't be any big changes except reality of Layed 2 > reality of Layer 1.

Misha completely recreated the world then it became a Silver Bubble. But max king claim is bubble world and Silver bubbles are same which not correct bubble world don't have limited order like Silver bubbles does.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Doesn't this quote go against your premise? They pretty directly state that what allows them to enter these worlds is the light from the silver lamps. The reason they couldn't detect Militia before was because it wasn't giving off the silver light due to the silver lamp not working (I assume because it wasn't a silver bubble before), not because the bubble world is perceived as nonexistent. I find the other scans relating to the nature of the bubble worlds being seen as nonexistent to silver bubble inhabitants lacking as well.

"The final touch. The lunar eclipse will create a new world. There is no more need for the Wheel of Fate. I have had enough of despair and unreason. The next world will be reborn with the love and kindness of all who live here, and will begin to turn with hope. Free the world from Eques' domination, and let each one of you shape it."

　The earth rumbled.
　Gentle, warm, and far-reaching - it was the world in its infancy.

Here is the scan Silver Bubble is a new World born after previous Bubble World. So both are not same.

 

[WIngs_Of_Despair]

Silver Bubble & Bubble World are both different. Bubble World borns as a Bubble in the sea then stays like that keeping creation and destruction of Worlds inside of it for many times until it becomes a Silver Bubble. Many bubbles gets destroyed on their own without evolution

I'm aware that they're different. I understand that Silver Bubbles evolve from bubble worlds and thus are no longer Bubble Worlds. But the majority of this thread was in regards to Silver Bubbles perceiving Bubble Wolrds as being non-existent, or at least close enough that it should be enough for an upgrade via qualitative superiority. But this premise doesn't seem to be true.

The evolution from Bubble to Silver Bubbles is different from layer 1 to layer 2.

Bubble World would be recreated into something new that is What is called as Silver Bubbles. But from layer 1 to 2 there won't be any big changes except reality of Layed 2 > reality of Layer 1.

I'm not sure how this proves your premise. Obviously going from not being a Silver Bubble to being a Silver Bubble is seen as more significant a change than being a Silver Bubble that became a more powerful Silver Bubble.

Misha completely recreated the world then it became a Silver Bubble. But max king claim is bubble world and Silver bubbles are same which not correct bubble world don't have limited order like Silver bubbles does.

Whether or not evolution is seen as a "recreation" shouldn't be relevant to if the world exists or not. If anything, to recreate implies that it already exists as part of creation. Max King never claimed they were the same? Unless I missed something. He just said the Silver Bubble inhabitants don't view Bubble Worlds as non-existent structures and that they weren't smaller than Silver Bubbles. Both of which seem to be true. Could you clarify the relevance of the "limited order?" My understanding is that every world (both Bubble Worlds and Silver Bubbles) has a certain upper limit to its order that is exceeded by the deeper layers.

 

[OriginFox]

disagree fra

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

I'm aware that they're different. I understand that Silver Bubbles evolve from bubble worlds and thus are no longer Bubble Worlds. But the majority of this thread was in regards to Silver Bubbles perceiving Bubble Wolrds as being non-existent, or at least close enough that it should be enough for an upgrade via qualitative superiority. But this premise doesn't seem to be true.

Close enough to non existent. Not completely. If they are non existent then there wouldn't be any reality to scale.

I'm not sure how this proves your premise. Obviously going from not being a Silver Bubble to being a Silver Bubble is seen as more significant a change than being a Silver Bubble that became a more powerful Silver Bubble.

Because if you can perceive the existence of Bubble World & it's insides reality like how characters weren't able to perceive Luna and Evansmana which they were desperately searching for until they stayed in bubble world. They were able to instantly perceive them when bubble world became the Silver bubbles

Note :
There is already enough difference between layers even still all Silver bubbles can be perceived by other silver sea inhabitants.

Whether or not evolution is seen as a "recreation" shouldn't be relevant to if the world exists or not. If anything, to recreate implies that it already exists as part of creation.

Like it's stated you can't enter the silver sea without evolving. Beside like already fixed explained bubble world won't be able sustain its existence on the level of Silver Bubbles.

"But if that's the case, how did you get here? There's no way you'll be able to go out to the silver sea without evolving. Simply because you have less fire dew...?"

"However, how did it evolve without fire dew in the first layer world...? Normally, it should perish as it is..."

Max King never claimed they were the same? Unless I missed something. He just said the Silver Bubble inhabitants don't view Bubble Worlds as non-existent structures and that they weren't smaller than Silver Bubbles. Both of which seem to be true.

1. If it's completely non existent there won't be anything to scale
2. Arguments are Silver Bubbles are more real than Bubble world that's all. There is no complete non existent part.
3. He claims only Silver lamps made it possible to perceive the bubble world which is wrong.
4. Like already scans states bubble world is an Unborn World where Silver bubbles are considered as worlds which already exists.

Could you clarify the relevance of the "limited order?" My understanding is that every world (both Bubble Worlds and Silver Bubbles) has a certain upper limit to its order that is exceeded by the deeper layers.

Limited order is an Reality which is created after Bubble Evolves into Silver Bubble. Like there is World where reality is based on castles and there is a world based on blessing and there is another world where it's based on World itself being Painting.

As for Upper Limit all things are bound to it like how you bound by dimensionality. It's not about deeper layers.

"Each divine domain is a microcosm of the world. Just as the upper limit of the source of the world is fixed, so is the amount of fire dew in Da Ku Kadate, and the number of flowers in this divine domain."

Eques states him and Anos are divided by Dimension of forces after removing this upper limit of the world. It's been confirmed by Anos perception which is how novel works. It's a novel based on first person perspective. To point out Eques wasn't even completely born at that point. More like Anos dragged his existence out of the World and Graham had some some experiments.

Well I will explain this further if any staffs asks I am just tired of refuting same repeated Arguments.

 

[Vasco]

Stop derailing

Isn't this thread about silver bubble? I don't see any derailing.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Isn't this thread about silver bubble? I don't see any derailing.

1. I asked all to stop responding until a staff evaluates it & he was still repeating the same thing
2. That was yesterday
3. That interpretation was wrong

 

[Vasco]

Dude still wasn't derailing.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Dude still wasn't derailing.

Check the previous page he was going back and forth with same thing. For me repeating same thing again and again is derailing thought. Atleast when I requested staff to evaluate it just to avoid unnecessary circling arguments

 

[Vasco]

Let's move on from this, let the original topic continue.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Let's move on from this, let the original topic continue.

Well I am waiting for staffs input.

 

[WIngs_Of_Despair]

Because if you can perceive the existence of Bubble World & it's insides reality like how characters weren't able to perceive Luna and Evansmana which they were desperately searching for until they stayed in bubble world. They were able to instantly perceive them when bubble world became the Silver bubbles

They can't perceive Bubble Worlds, nobody ever disputed this. But it's not because of how real they are, it's because they don't have silver lamps (which then give off the silver light that allows them to find and enter worlds). This is directly stated by your own scans.

Like it's stated you can't enter the silver sea without evolving. Beside like already fixed explained bubble world won't be able sustain its existence on the level of Silver Bubbles.

Yes, because deeper layers need more Fire Dew. But since the substance itself isn't changing between layers (feel free to correct me if that's incorrect), the only difference is the amount of it present in each world, it is definitionally a quantitative difference.

Arguments are Silver Bubbles are more real than Bubble world that's all. There is no complete non existent part.

Yeah but you haven't proven that they are. Your argument about them not being able to perceive Bubble Worlds has nothing to do with one being more real than the other. They just can't perceive worlds without the light coming from the silver lamps. Having more Fire Dew doesn't make a qualitative difference between words based on what's been presented so far.

He claims only Silver lamps made it possible to perceive the bubble world which is wrong.

How is it wrong? Your own scans say that. Not even in an indirect sense, they explicitly state that they can't see the bubble world because it lacks a silver lamp.

Limited order is an Reality which is created after Bubble Evolves into Silver Bubble. Like there is World where reality is based on castles and there is a world based on blessing and there is another world where it's based on World itself being Painting.

Thank you for the clarification. I don't see how it supports the idea of Silver Bubbles being more real though. They just have a more cohesive image of the world.

As for Upper Limit all things are bound to it like how you bound by dimensionality. It's not about deeper layers.

Then how exactly does it relate to the difference between bubble worlds and silver bubbles? I assumed from the way you were talking about it that a Bubble World's upper limits were less than those of SIlver Bubbles, hence Silver Bubble entities being capable of using strength beyond that of the local inhabitants. If it doesn't relate to that then I don't understand how this was meant to support the idea that Silver Bubbles are more real.

Eques states him and Anos are divided by Dimension of forces after removing this upper limit of the world. It's been confirmed by Anos perception which is how novel works. It's a novel based on first person perspective

The quote used for a dimensional difference is almost certainly not referring to literal dimensions. Just wanted to point that out. It being in 1st person doesn't make the statement less flowery.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

They can't perceive Bubble Worlds, nobody ever disputed this. But it's not because of how real they are, it's because they don't have silver lamps (which then give off the silver light that allows them to find and enter worlds). This is directly stated by your own scans.

Silver Light doesn't inheritedly make the character exists inside them able to perceive to others. It's a characteristics of Evolved Bubble. Like I said above Luna and Evansmana existed in Bubble world and it couldn't be perceived by Silver Bubbles inhabitants. If What max King says is true ask him to send a scan for them perceiving Both Luna and Evansmana existence while they were in Bubble World.

Why wouldn't they Perceive the existence of Luna and Evansmana if what max King says is true because its not. He is trying to twist the explanation.

Here is the full scan. Inhabitants invaded the World of militia after it got Reincarnated (evolved) more like it was re-created. Then sink into layer 1.

Spoiler: Chapter 499

　Heading to my world, I flew as fast as I could.

　The visibility was poor, but I had memorized the sea route when I arrived.

　As I proceeded, relying on my memory, I eventually saw a silver bubble.

　I feel the magic of Militia.
　I go backwards through the silver light emanating from that small world.

　This silver light is what allows me to enter and exit the small world. It is also from this silver light that Militia's magic power is leaking out.

　So it is reasonable to assume that the silver lamp was not working until the world of Militia was reborn.

　Hence, Kostoria and Balzarondo could not perceive this small world and did not notice Mom and the spirit godman's sword until now.

　It is understandable that they came here after the world reincarnation as if they had shown it to each other.

Yes, because deeper layers need more Fire Dew. But since the substance itself isn't changing between layers (feel free to correct me if that's incorrect), the only difference is the amount of it present in each world, it is definitionally a quantitative difference.

1. Don't bring layers argument
2. Bubble World fire dew is impossible to measure

Yeah but you haven't proven that they are. Your argument about them not being able to perceive Bubble Worlds has nothing to do with one being more real than the other. They just can't perceive worlds without the light coming from the silver lamps.

Same as first argument. Not gonna repeat myself

Having more Fire Dew doesn't make a qualitative difference between words based on what's been presented so far.

So you are going to ignore all other things ?
It does by standards with enough context.
Tiering System FAQ page..

Furthermore, higher-dimensional entities can also qualify for higher tiers when the verse which they are from explicitly defines them as being infinitely above lower-dimensional ones in power and/or existential status.

This alone shows enough difference. Silver Bubble and Bubbles are not even Compatible as they are stated to be gets destroyed if they enter layer 1 without evolution.

No magic was used. It was just plain speed.
"Hmm. I thought I was just a little out of shape." "In this small world, which exists deeper than your small world, the power of everything is in another dimension. Strength, speed, toughness, magic power, everything. Even the resistance of a grain of air would be a weight to you. If you unleash your shallow, world-destroying magic, you will not be able to destroy a single ship here."

How is it wrong? Your own scans say that. Not even in an indirect sense, they explicitly state that they can't see the bubble world because it lacks a silver lamp.

Same as above

Thank you for the clarification. I don't see how it supports the idea of Silver Bubbles being more real though. They just have a more cohesive image of the world.

Not really the order should be Infinitely above the Bubble world order as The scans shows the order which established before Militia World is infinitely weaker in Elensia world. More like Order of Reincarnation wasn't even existed. Same way Limited Order don't exists in Bubble World and which proves my point Limited Order in Silver bubbles should be Infinitely above the reality of Bubbles World.

Spoiler: Chapter 575

"It would depend on when I died in my previous life in the Silver Water Holy Sea. If it was before the world of Elenesia was reborn into the world of Militia, then the order of reincarnation is infinitely weaker."

Then how exactly does it relate to the difference between bubble worlds and silver bubbles? I assumed from the way you were talking about it that a Bubble World's upper limits were less than those of SIlver Bubbles, hence Silver Bubble entities being capable of using strength beyond that of the local inhabitants. If it doesn't relate to that then I don't understand how this was meant to support the idea that Silver Bubbles are more real.

Silver Bubble were more real because for Silver Sea their existence is recognised as exists where Bubble don't their exists is stated to be impossible to recognise ("to prove its existence" don't take it out of context & i don't want people twisting my words)

The quote used for a dimensional difference is almost certainly not referring to literal dimensions. Just wanted to point that out. It being in 1st person doesn't make the statement less flowery.

I will deal with that when staff actually replies.

 

[MaxLevel_King]

1. Don't bring layers argument
2. Bubble World fire dew is impossible to measure

Same as first argument. Not gonna repeat myself

So you are going to ignore all other things ?
It does by standards with enough context.
Tiering System FAQ page..

This alone shows enough difference. Silver Bubble and Bubbles are not even Compatible as they are stated to be gets destroyed if they enter layer 1 without evolution.


Same as above

Not really the order should be Infinitely above the Bubble world order as The scans shows the order which established before Militia World is infinitely weaker in Elensia world. More like Order of Reincarnation wasn't even existed. Same way Limited Order don't exists in Bubble World and which proves my point Limited Order in Silver bubbles should be Infinitely above the reality of Bubbles World.

Spoiler: Chapter 575

"It would depend on when I died in my previous life in the Silver Water Holy Sea. If it was before the world of Elenesia was reborn into the world of Militia, then the order of reincarnation is infinitely weaker."

Silver Bubble were more real because for Silver Sea their existence is recognised as exists where Bubble don't their exists is stated to be impossible to recognise ("to prove its existence" don't take it out of context & i don't want people twisting my words)

I will deal with that when staff actually replies.

Did you just try to disprove my argument by stating that Luna and Evansmana couldn't be perceived by Silver Bubble inhabitants until the Militia World was recreated and became a Silver Bubble? That doesn't contradict what I said. In fact, it only further supports my explanation. Luna and Evansmana couldn't be perceived until the Militia World became a Silver Bubble because before then it was a Bubble World that lacked a silver shine.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Did you just try to disprove my argument by stating that Luna and Evansmana couldn't be perceived by Silver Bubble inhabitants until the Militia World was recreated and became a Silver Bubble? That doesn't contradict what I said. In fact, it only further supports my explanation. Luna and Evansmana couldn't be perceived until the Militia World became a Silver Bubble because before then it was a Bubble World that lacked a silver shine.

So you Concede great

 

[MaxLevel_King]

So you Concede great

What am I conceding? I've been entirely consistent with my reasoning throughout this thread and none of my reasoning contradicts itself.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

What am I conceding? I've been entirely consistent with my reasoning throughout this thread and none of my reasoning contradicts itself.

I will point that out when an staff replies don't want to go in circles with you. Feel free to argue with others

 

[YoPercy]

1. Don't bring layers argument
2. Bubble World fire dew is impossible to measure

Same as first argument. Not gonna repeat myself

So you are going to ignore all other things ?
It does by standards with enough context.
Tiering System FAQ page..

This alone shows enough difference. Silver Bubble and Bubbles are not even Compatible as they are stated to be gets destroyed if they enter layer 1 without evolution.


Same as above

Not really the order should be Infinitely above the Bubble world order as The scans shows the order which established before Militia World is infinitely weaker in Elensia world. More like Order of Reincarnation wasn't even existed. Same way Limited Order don't exists in Bubble World and which proves my point Limited Order in Silver bubbles should be Infinitely above the reality of Bubbles World.

Spoiler: Chapter 575

"It would depend on when I died in my previous life in the Silver Water Holy Sea. If it was before the world of Elenesia was reborn into the world of Militia, then the order of reincarnation is infinitely weaker."

Silver Bubble were more real because for Silver Sea their existence is recognised as exists where Bubble don't their exists is stated to be impossible to recognise ("to prove its existence" don't take it out of context & i don't want people twisting my words)

I will deal with that when staff actually replies.

Facts.

 

[YoPercy]

Did you just try to disprove my argument by stating that Luna and Evansmana couldn't be perceived by Silver Bubble inhabitants until the Militia World was recreated and became a Silver Bubble? That doesn't contradict what I said. In fact, it only further supports my explanation. Luna and Evansmana couldn't be perceived until the Militia World became a Silver Bubble because before then it was a Bubble World that lacked a silver shine.

That's just wrong. It's not the Silver Lamp that give off the silver shine. It's the fire dew that makes the world more real thus being able to be percieved by other sivler bubbles. As elde says, the silver lamp is just a characteristic that a silver world has. Just like the limited order is a characteristic only for silver worlds.

 

[Iamunanimousinthat]

This is honestly way too confusing. I really don't understand the context of any of these scans to vote either way. There needs to be consensus of what actually happens in story and what's depicted.

 

[MaxLevel_King]

That's just wrong. It's not the Silver Lamp that give off the silver shine. It's the fire dew that makes the world more real thus being able to be percieved by other sivler bubbles. As elde says, the silver lamp is just a characteristic that a silver world has. Just like the limited order is a characteristic only for silver worlds.

That's not what any of the scans say. You're using complete headcanon to try and disprove my argument. Not in any scans or in the story itself is it stated that "Fire Dew makes the World more real" or that "It's not the Silver Lamp that gives off the silver shine". There is absolutely nothing to support that argument. However, what is stated in scans (and what's already been brought up) is that Bubble Worlds can't be seen because they lack a silver shine.

 

[WIngs_Of_Despair]

Don't bring layers argument

I didn't. You brought up Silver Bubbles being on a different level of the Sea and that Bubble Worlds can't sustain themselves on those levels. Level refers to layers in this context. I don't know why you're obscuring your arguments by not calling them what they are.

Bubble World fire dew is impossible to measure

Yes because the amount is very small. It's not a "different" Fire Dew. The substance is the same, the only stated difference in regard to Fire Dew is the quantity.

Same as first argument. Not gonna repeat myself

You never actually addressed it. You just resent the same scan that literally says they didn't find the world before because the silver lamp wasn't giving off light until now. This explicitly agrees with me. I'm literally just restating the information within your own scans (which is all I can really do here).

So you are going to ignore all other things ?

What other things am I missing? Fire Dew is a substance that makes up the various worlds. The same Fire Dew exists all throughout the Sea, with it trickling down from Bubble Worlds into Silver Bubbles, meaning that deeper worlds have more Fire Dew composing them. Is this a misrepresentation of FIre Dew? You didn't correct me before so I assume my understanding is at least fundamentally correct. Which means that the explicit difference is the quantity of the substance, not its quality. It's not like Silver Bubbles are made of a new substance that is somehow "more" than Fire Dew.

This alone shows enough difference. Silver Bubble and Bubbles are not even Compatible as they are stated to be gets destroyed if they enter layer 1 without evolution.

Nothing here shows an infinite difference. Even the quote about how he can't destroy a boat doesn't actually mention an infinite sized gap between this world and the other one.

Not really the order should be Infinitely above the Bubble world order as The scans shows the order which established before Militia World is infinitely weaker in Elensia world. More like Order of Reincarnation wasn't even existed. Same way Limited Order don't exists in Bubble World and which proves my point Limited Order in Silver bubbles should be Infinitely above the reality of Bubbles World.

Isn't Militia World still a Bubble World at this point? Also if it didn't have a limited order yet then what is the Order of Reincarnation referring to? Because either it isn't a limited order and refers to something unrelated or what you said earlier about only Silver Bubbles having them isn't true.

Silver Bubble were more real because for Silver Sea their existence is recognised as exists where Bubble don't their exists is stated to be impossible to recognise ("to prove its existence" don't take it out of context & i don't want people twisting my words)

No matter how much you repeat it, this statement isn't true. The scan saying this was posted without context earlier and seemingly taken at face value by a number of people. But was later contextualized that they can't see inside Bubble Worlds without the silver lamps. That's why they can't verify its existence, they literally can't see the world inside the Bubble. You can't prove the existence of something to someone who can't perceive it. It's not because it's akin to a nonexistent structure, they just can't prove things that can't be perceived.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

This is honestly way too confusing. I really don't understand the context of any of these scans to vote either way. There needs to be consensus of what actually happens in story and what's depicted.

Well I am already tired all I gotta say is Bubbles are lower worlds and story was going on from vol 1 to vol 10 there and from Volume 11 Story moved to Silver Bubbles which are higher Worlds in reality also.

I didn't. You brought up Silver Bubbles being on a different level of the Sea and that Bubble Worlds can't sustain themselves on those levels. Level refers to layers in this context. I don't know why you're obscuring your arguments by not calling them what they are.


Yes because the amount is very small. It's not a "different" Fire Dew. The substance is the same, the only stated difference in regard to Fire Dew is the quantity.


You never actually addressed it. You just resent the same scan that literally says they didn't find the world before because the silver lamp wasn't giving off light until now. This explicitly agrees with me. I'm literally just restating the information within your own scans (which is all I can really do here).

What other things am I missing? Fire Dew is a substance that makes up the various worlds. The same Fire Dew exists all throughout the Sea, with it trickling down from Bubble Worlds into Silver Bubbles, meaning that deeper worlds have more Fire Dew composing them. Is this a misrepresentation of FIre Dew? You didn't correct me before so I assume my understanding is at least fundamentally correct. Which means that the explicit difference is the quantity of the substance, not its quality. It's not like Silver Bubbles are made of a new substance that is somehow "more" than Fire Dew.


Nothing here shows an infinite difference. Even the quote about how he can't destroy a boat doesn't actually mention an infinite sized gap between this world and the other one.


Isn't Militia World still a Bubble World at this point? Also if it didn't have a limited order yet then what is the Order of Reincarnation referring to? Because either it isn't a limited order and refers to something unrelated or what you said earlier about only Silver Bubbles having them isn't true.


No matter how much you repeat it, this statement isn't true. The scan saying this was posted without context earlier and seemingly taken at face value by a number of people. But was later contextualized that they can't see inside Bubble Worlds without the silver lamps. That's why they can't verify its existence, they literally can't see the world inside the Bubble. You can't prove the existence of something to someone who can't perceive it. It's not because it's akin to a nonexistent structure, they just can't prove things that can't be perceived.

Great now we will wait for staff. I will address the point to them. I don't want to go in circles without staffs evaluating them.

 

[YoPercy]

That's not what any of the scans say. You're using complete headcanon to try and disprove my argument. Not in any scans or in the story itself is it stated that "Fire Dew makes the World more real" or that "It's not the Silver Lamp that gives off the silver shine". There is absolutely nothing to support that argument. However, what is stated in scans (and what's already been brought up) is that Bubble Worlds can't be seen because they lack a silver shine.

I'll let elde debate with you but what I'll somethings what I did say were wrong (my bad) except the fact that:
-Limited Order and Silver Lamp (which gives off silver light/shine) is a characteristic of the Silver World
-The Silver Light is how other silver world inhabitants know you exist and they can percieve you and you can percieve them
How does a world get a silver light????
The answer is obvious... Bubble world (viewed as non-existent) evolves into Silver world (due to fire dew). Silver world is more real than bubble world and they give off the Silver light which as I say make you perceivable.

Fire Dew = Worlds Reality.

 

[Georredannea15]

That's not what any of the scans say. You're using complete headcanon to try and disprove my argument. Not in any scans or in the story itself is it stated that "Fire Dew makes the World more real" or that "It's not the Silver Lamp that gives off the silver shine". There is absolutely nothing to support that argument. However, what is stated in scans (and what's already been brought up) is that Bubble Worlds can't be seen because they lack a silver shine.

That's exactly what I wanted to point out throughout the entire revision. 3/10 of this CRT is the statements in the verse, and 7/10 is the assumption and probability.

 

[Georredannea15]

I'll let elde debate with you but what I'll somethings what I did say were wrong (my bad) except the fact that:
-Limited Order and Silver Lamp (which gives off silver light/shine) is a characteristic of the Silver World
-The Silver Light is how other silver world inhabitants know you exist and they can percieve you and you can percieve them
How does a world get a silver light????
The answer is obvious... Bubble world (viewed as non-existent) evolves into Silver world (due to fire dew). Silver world is more real than bubble world and they give off the Silver light which as I say make you perceivable.

Fire Dew = Worlds Reality.

Not enough for qualitative superiority. And still no scans available.

 

[MaxLevel_King]

I'll let elde debate with you but what I'll somethings what I did say were wrong (my bad) except the fact that:
-Limited Order and Silver Lamp (which gives off silver light/shine) is a characteristic of the Silver World
-The Silver Light is how other silver world inhabitants know you exist and they can percieve you and you can percieve them
How does a world get a silver light????
The answer is obvious... Bubble world (viewed as non-existent) evolves into Silver world (due to fire dew). Silver world is more real than bubble world and they give off the Silver light which as I say make you perceivable.

Fire Dew = Worlds Reality.

Again, no scans state that Silver Bubbles are more real than Bubble Worlds. Stronger Order doesn't equate to "more real" Order. On top of that, unevolved Bubble Worlds lacking the silver shine that evolved Silver Bubbles have isn't indicative of them being perceived as nonexistent. Not being able to be perceived isn't the same as being perceived as nonexistent.

 

[Fixxed]

No matter how much you repeat it, this statement isn't true. The scan saying this was posted without context earlier and seemingly taken at face value by a number of people. But was later contextualized that they can't see inside Bubble Worlds without the silver lamps. That's why they can't verify its existence, they literally can't see the world inside the Bubble. You can't prove the existence of something to someone who can't perceive it. It's not because it's akin to a nonexistent structure, they just can't prove things that can't be perceived.

First at all, you wrong

Silver lamps is to give back the fire dew that lose from the world
And they can perceive existence of bubble world, IT IS WHY THEY CAN EXPLAIN THE BUBBLE WORLD. They just cant look inside of it. They know bubble world is exist but when they compared to they existence bubble world is not exist

It is not like bubble world is invisible for them

 

[WIngs_Of_Despair]

First at all, you wrong

Silver lamps is to give back the fire dew that lose from the world
And they can perceive existence of bubble world, IT IS WHY THEY CANT EXPLAIN THE BUBBLE WORLD. They just cant look inside of it. They know bubble world is exist but when they compared to they existence bubble world is not exist

It is not like bubble world is invisible for them

Everything I said about Silver Lamps is objectively true (unless the scans are mistranslated or something) as I merely parroted direct statements from the scans.

I'm pretty sure this isn't true. Bubble Worlds don't have silver lamps but still leak Fire Dew. Even if it is true it has no bearing on what I said. Also, who says they can't explain the Bubble World? It seems like they understand them pretty well, seeing as how several of these scans are dialogue of them literally explaining how they work. If you have a statement where they actually say that Bubble Worlds are nonexistent from their perspective then feel free to send it, but since such a scan hasn't been sent by now I assume it doesn't exist. Because right now all we have is a poorly synthesized conclusion based upon interpretations of ambiguous quotes that contradicts direct statements.

Functionally it is, at least for its contents. Maybe they can come across the bubble and see that it exists, but can't tell what kind of world is on the inside because it has no lamp to allow them to do so.

 

[YoPercy]

Again, no scans state that Silver Bubbles are more real than Bubble Worlds. Stronger Order doesn't equate to "more real" Order. On top of that, unevolved Bubble Worlds lacking the silver shine that evolved Silver Bubbles have isn't indicative of them being perceived as nonexistent. Not being able to be perceived isn't the same as being perceived as nonexistent.

... Anyways I have exams tmr (well today) so I can't debate with you at this moment
Sorry about that.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

I'll let elde debate with you but what I'll somethings what I did say were wrong (my bad) except the fact that:
-Limited Order and Silver Lamp (which gives off silver light/shine) is a characteristic of the Silver World
-The Silver Light is how other silver world inhabitants know you exist and they can percieve you and you can percieve them
How does a world get a silver light????
The answer is obvious... Bubble world (viewed as non-existent) evolves into Silver world (due to fire dew). Silver world is more real than bubble world and they give off the Silver light which as I say make you perceivable.

Fire Dew = Worlds Reality.

First at all, you wrong

Silver lamps is to give back the fire dew that lose from the world
And they can perceive existence of bubble world, IT IS WHY THEY CANT EXPLAIN THE BUBBLE WORLD. They just cant look inside of it. They know bubble world is exist but when they compared to they existence bubble world is not exist

It is not like bubble world is invisible for them

Just ignore until a staff evaluates. They will just circle around.

 

[Fixxed]

Everything I said about Silver Lamps is objectively true (unless the scans are mistranslated or something) as I merely parroted direct statements from the scans.

I'm pretty sure this isn't true. Bubble Worlds don't have silver lamps but still leak Fire Dew. Even if it is true it has no bearing on what I said. Also, who says they can't explain the Bubble World? It seems like they understand them pretty well, seeing as how several of these scans are dialogue of them literally explaining how they work. If you have a statement where they actually say that Bubble Worlds are nonexistent from their perspective then feel free to send it, but since such a scan hasn't been sent by now I assume it doesn't exist. Because right now all we have is a poorly synthesized conclusion based upon interpretations of ambiguous quotes that contradicts direct statements.

Functionally it is, at least for its contents. Maybe they can come across the bubble and see that it exists, but can't tell what kind of world is on the inside because it has no lamp to allow them to do so.

Direct statement from scan is
"The reason we do not return the fire dew to the Bubble World is because there are no silver lamps"
It literally mean for fire dew

Sorry i mean THEY CAN EXPLAIN.....

And, you say the nonexistent is mean for they cannot see the bubble, so the bubble is invisible to them. This not true because in the scan that you use it self say just the inside of bubble cannot being see, but they can see if there was bubble in there. So they know if that was exist
But they keep say "immposible to prove the bubble world existence". This is not mean bubble world is invisible for them, but for how superior they are for bubble

Yeah "MAYBE". Cant tell what kind of world is not equal to tell they cannot prove the existence of bubble world, since they already know if bubble world is exist

 

[Robo432343]

when is staff coming

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

when is staff coming