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How am I derailing? He asked a question and I answered it. If I didn't answer that question, then misinformation about the size difference between Bubble Worlds and Silver Bubbles would be perpetuated throughout this thread.
Reply when a staff replies and size has nothing to do with the upgrade. Staff never asked anyone to prove the size. So it's Irrelevant. It's been 5 pages with geo spamming random bullshit and I don't want to drag it down any further.


So reply when a staff gives their input
 
Reply when a staff replies and size has nothing to do with the upgrade. Staff never asked anyone to prove the size. So it's Irrelevant. It's been 5 pages with geo spamming random bullshit and I don't want to drag it down any further.


So reply when a staff gives their input
Will you continue to provoke people? Or will you be quiet.
 
No. Silver Bubbles are never stated to be larger than Bubble Worlds. All Worlds (Bubble Worlds and Silver Bubbles) in the Silver Sea are also sometimes addressed as "Small Worlds".
"The bubble world is an unevolved small world. In the Silver Sea, it can be said to be an unborn world, because the Bubble World does not have a Chief God and Sovereign.

However in this context it explicitly refers to bubble worlds so my interpretation isn't wrong

Also this is my last reply on this thread as i don't want to derail any futher.
Apologies for the derailing.
 
"The bubble world is an unevolved small world. In the Silver Sea, it can be said to be an unborn world, because the Bubble World does not have a Chief God and Sovereign.

However in this context it explicitly refers to bubble worlds so my interpretation isn't wrong

Aslo this is my last reply on this thread as i don't want to derail any futher.
Apologies for the derailing.
Thanks for at least being respectful and understanding.
 
"The bubble world is an unevolved small world. In the Silver Sea, it can be said to be an unborn world, because the Bubble World does not have a Chief God and Sovereign.

However in this context it explicitly refers to bubble worlds so my interpretation isn't wrong

Aslo this is my last reply on this thread as i don't want to derail any futher.
Apologies for the derailing.
Silver Bubbles are just evolved Small Worlds. You're getting too hung up on the "small world" part when the point was the "unevolved" part.
 
"The bubble world is an unevolved small world.
It not "unevolved small world" but "small, unevolved world". the statement is like this, it separate the word small and unevolved
The bubble world is small, unevolved world. In this silver water sacred sea, it can be said that it is a world that has not been born. Because there is no main god and head of state in the bubble world. Without the chief god, the order of the small world cannot be completely controlled, and without the head of state, the inhabitants of the small world will continue to fight. It's easy to imagine how it will end
 
It not "unevolved small world" but "small, unevolved world". the statement is like this, it separate the word small and unevolved
That means the exact same thing, there's no reason to make a distinction between "unevolved small world" and "small, unevolved world". On top of that, "unevolved small world" comes from a scan, further cementing my point.
 
This topic should be closed. We need to create another one because this one has a lot of repetitive discussion, something that can make employees ignore the topic
The thing is @Georredannea15 & @MaxLevel_King would still Stonewall any MG thread. I Would rather settle the things here.
There are two profiles that were created recently just to disagree with everything and ignore the evidence. I don't understand how you guys still argue with these two
Great coincidence that @Georredannea15 profile popped out of nowhere just to comment and disagree on my thread.
 
I always thought there should be a rule that only the thread creator and the staff can reply to the thread. After all, no matter how many members agree or disagree, in the end what matters is the assessment of the wiki administrators.
 
The thing is @Georredannea15 & @MaxLevel_King would still Stonewall any MG thread. I Would rather settle the things here.

Great coincidence that @Georredannea15 profile popped out of nowhere just to comment and disagree on my thread.
Isn't it a coincidence that a few people who accept this say "we collected the evidence" and always present the same arguments? You don't want justice, you want tolerance and privilege. That's why you continue to present inadequate arguments.

Also, not only me, @Everything12 and a few others disagree, some of them are neutral. Those who accept, on the other hand, defend the same arguments over and over.

I'm starting to think that "some" people who accept are close to you. And for some reason it's always the same people. Don't blame me, you are the one who gives this feeling, you are all very aggressive and keep making the same arguments.

You are attacking those who disagreed with some ones. Just like a gang XDXDXD
 
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-In short, what is advocated here is to see it as "insignificant" = seeing as" non- existence". But, they don't mean the same. .

-Statements such as "fiction" or seeing "non-existence" should be used in the verse. To see insignificant ≠ to see non-existence.

-Because this "seeing it as unimportant" can have many reasons.
For example; metaphysical, abstract, conceptual, physical superiority... (Also, seeing it as "nothing" can mean many things.)

-"overcoming the upper limits of order with physical strength".This statement in the verse already supports that this superiority is physical. Most of the arguments describe "quantitative" superiority. It's not qualitative.
The above is what I want to confirm with other staff. I want to ensure these words/phrases are compatible with the requirements for RF Transcendence.

@Sir_Ovens @DontTalkDT @DarkDragonMedeus

What are your thoughts?

 
The above is what I want to confirm with other staff. I want to ensure these words/phrases are compatible with the requirements for RF Transcendence.

@Sir_Ovens @DontTalkDT @DarkDragonMedeus

What are your thoughts?

I'm not sure I understand what is being proposed tbh.
Should i make a simple summary for easy to understand?
 
-In short, what is advocated here is to see it as "insignificant" = seeing as" non- existence". But, they don't mean the same. .

-Statements such as "fiction" or seeing "non-existence" should be used in the verse. To see insignificant ≠ to see non-existence.

-Because this "seeing it as unimportant" can have many reasons.
For example; metaphysical, abstract, conceptual, physical superiority... (Also, seeing it as "nothing" can mean many things.)

-"overcoming the upper limits of order with physical strength".This statement in the verse already supports that this superiority is physical. Most of the arguments describe "quantitative" superiority. It's not qualitative.
@DarkDragonMedeus , What's written here pretty much sums up the scale. The statements above already support this. The point I disagree with is that in this case, the "trust me" policy is the way forward. Most of the scale is on assumptions and quotes.

Of course, your opinions is much more important than mine. I just wanted to express my opinion .Do not get me wrong :)
 
Yeah, that would be helpful.
When bubble is compare to silver bubble it say bubble just small thing and unborn world. The superiority of silver bubble over bubble are same as existence over nonexistence, that mean for silver bubble bubble just like nothing or untrue unreal. When bubble is put in same level of existence with silver bubble, bubble cannot endure it existence and will perish, even one person from silver bubble will make bubble get destroyed just by enter it

Silver bubble also inaccessible and insignificant for bubble, that i think it already qualitative superior because no matter level you stack silver bubble is inaccessible for you
 
@DarkDragonMedeus , What's written here pretty much sums up the scale. The statements above already support this. The point I disagree with is that in this case, the "trust me" policy is the way forward. Most of the scale is on assumptions and quotes.

Of course, your opinions is much more important than mine. I just wanted to express my opinion .Do not get me wrong :)
I am still rather confused, but I guess it sort of makes sense and Firestorm is generally reasonable. Though DT does have a better sense of judgement than me regarding this topic yes.
 
I am still rather confused, but I guess it sort of makes sense and Firestorm is generally reasonable. Though DT does have a better sense of judgement than me regarding this topic yes.
Like I said, your opinions are MORE IMPORTANT than mine.

But in my opinion, arguments and statements are not enough.
 
I am still rather confused, but I guess it sort of makes sense and Firestorm is generally reasonable. Though DT does have a better sense of judgement than me regarding this topic yes.
Well is not like what he say

In fact his point 1 is already false, we not use insignificant as "view as nonexistence", we have other scan about it. So no insignificant=nonexistence, but nonexistence with support statement of insignificant, you can see the scan here
Bubble world is small and not birted bubble if compare to silver bubble world. As long as the bubble world not evolve to silver bubble is impossible to proof their existance, thats mean in silver sea bubble world is nonexistance or not birted world, and the evolve to silver bubble is make the world exist

The gap between bubble and silver bubble is nonexistance and existance
The bubble world is small, unevolved world. In this silver water sacred sea, it can be said that it is a world that has not been born. Because there is no main god and head of state in the bubble world. Without the chief god, the order of the small world cannot be completely controlled, and without the head of state, the inhabitants of the small world will continue to fight. It's easy to imagine how it will end
Because it was a bubble world, it would have been impossible to prove the existance of Militia world
"The reason we do not return the fire dew to the Bubble World is because there are no silver lamps, so it is impossible to see inside from the outside. The Bubble World is not stable, and any attempt to enter it from the outside may result in a disturbance of the order, thus closing off the possibility of evolution."

"You are saying that just by entering it, it will be destroyed?"

"That may be the case. Above all, the bubbling world will have to let the returned fire dew out again. That would be like drawing water into a bucket with a hole in it. It is inefficient and is said to cause the loss of fire dew."
Just Trying to Entering the Bubble World itself stated to be able to destroy the bubble world.
 
Well is not like what he say

In fact his point 1 is already false, we not use insignificant as "view as nonexistence", we have other scan about it. So no insignificant=nonexistence, but nonexistence with support statement of insignificant, you can see the scan here
-If this logic had been accepted, the silver sea and layers would now be much higher. You also still use statemtns like "trivial" and "impossible" that you "act". That's why you're trying to achieve qualitative superiority.

-But to see as unimportant and impossible ≠ to see as non-existence or fiction.

-Also, I don't understand why the person who opened this CRT didn't defend it. Only you are defending, as if you opened it...
 
I am still rather confused, but I guess it sort of makes sense and Firestorm is generally reasonable. Though DT does have a better sense of judgement than me regarding this topic yes.
3/10 of the arguments are statements from the verse, 7/10 are probabilities and assumptions (just analogy), but they do not have concrete evidence.

- That's why I said "trust me" policy is being put forward. (Of course, I also said that there is not enough evidence.)

-From after here, it's your discretion.
 
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The above is what I want to confirm with other staff. I want to ensure these words/phrases are compatible with the requirements for RF Transcendence.

@Sir_Ovens @DontTalkDT @DarkDragonMedeus

What are your thoughts?

I am still rather confused, but I guess it sort of makes sense and Firestorm is generally reasonable. Though DT does have a better sense of judgement than me regarding this topic yes.

It's clear cut Bubble Worlds Existence can't be perceived by Silver Bubbles inhabitants. It's stated as impossible to prove its existence.
Because it was a bubble world, it would have been impossible to prove the existance of Militia world

Supporting Evidences.

Until Militia World Evolved into Silver Bubble it's Existence wasn't able to Perceived by Silver Bubbles inhabitants. The Moment it became the Silver Bubbles then in the Silver Sea it's existence was proven thus Silver bubbles inhabitants started to invade it. But it was impossible until it was existed as just a Bubble World.

Characters who invaded Militia World had to wait
for 14K years (Years doesn't matter but what i am saying is Bubble world existence wasn't be able to proven until it become Silver Bubble). They were instantly able to recognise the Militia World the moment it became a Silver Bubble but it was impossible for them until then.

"How did that come from out in the world?"

"Well, let's see."

 We flew through the sky and out into the black sky.

"The two men who targeted your mother, the Kostoria and the Shipman, if they are also from out of this world, that's puzzling."

 Shin said.

"Indeed. I doubt that they would have come after my mother now, even if they were aiming at the Spirit God Man Sword or my mother. There should have been plenty of opportunities."

 If it's the Spirit God Man Sword, it would have been more certain to target my mother before I was born, while it was still in the temple of the Academy of Heroes.

 But neither Baltzarondo nor Kostoria did so.

"They came around the same time we realized the out-of-this-world possibilities. I don't think that's a coincidence."

"Do you think it has something to do with the world being reincarnated ......?"

"It would make sense if they first discovered this world of Militia after the world reincarnation-- but it doesn't make sense."

 But the rebirth of the world makes it more visible to the outside world, doesn't it?
 Heading to my world, I flew as fast as I could.

 The visibility was poor, but I had memorized the sea route when I arrived.

 As I proceeded, relying on my memory, I eventually saw a silver bubble.

 I feel the magic of Militia.

 I go backwards through the silver light emanating from that small world.

 This silver light is what allows me to enter and exit the small world. It is also from this silver light that Militia's magic power is leaking out.

 So it is reasonable to assume that the silver lamp was not working until the world of Militia was reborn.

 Hence, Kostoria and Balzarondo could not perceive this small world and did not notice Mom and the spirit godman's sword until now.

 It is understandable that they came here after the world reincarnation as if they had shown it to each other.
Well this is about the transcendence, for person in silver bubble world the bubble world is nonexistence compare to their existence and impossible to prove bubble world's existence

This just support the statement above, bubble are insignificance compare to silver bubble

We also have proof that silver bubble is inaccessible for bubble world, the existence of silver bubble is too strong for bubble world to endure, so bubble will just perish if put it in same level of existence with silver bubble
Well Fixxed explanation is better than mine I guess I am not good at English so.



Like Dereck said counter arguments are so bad dude just spamming random things. Anyway I will try to point out @Georredannea15 is wrong about several things


-In short, what is advocated here is to see it as "insignificant" = seeing as" non- existence". But, they don't mean the same. .
It's not really insignificant as above scans states it's impossible to prove the existence
-Statements such as "fiction" or seeing "non-existence" should be used in the verse. To see insignificant ≠ to see non-existence.
Same as above don't see any additional refute here. We are not arguing plot manipulation here it's above Silver Bubbles being more real than Bubble world and Existence of Bubble world is so tiny it's not possible to perceive them
-Because this "seeing it as unimportant" can have many reasons.
For example; metaphysical, abstract, conceptual, physical superiority... (Also, seeing it as "nothing" can mean many things.)
No Militia World which is 700 millions years+ and It's past world Elenesia World which is some years even older Existed even before that and still it's existence wasn't perceived until it become a silver bubble. It's not About seeing it's important.

Lion of Artzenon and Holy Sword World which needed to retrieve things couldn't perceive the world until it become a Silver Bubble ( above scans literally backs up my statement) the argument made by opposition doesn't make where scans clearly mentioned Silver Bubbles inhabitants were able to instantly recognise and perceive the World After it became a Silver Bubble

Note:

Both Eve Zenio and Hayfolia Worlds were searching for Luna and Evansmana but they're unable to perceive them until Bubble World existence changed into Silver Bubble. It's also important notice Anos in the scan clearly mentioned that twice in different Chapters about how they entered the World after It become a silver bubbles. They couldn't do it before and they couldn't even perceive its existence.




Anyway I have provided scans opposition is spamming random thing without even pointing out a single lines from FAQ page.


 
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It's clear cut Bubble Worlds Existence can't be perceived by Silver Bubbles inhabitants. It's stated as impossible to prove its existence.
Because it was a bubble world, it would have been impossible to prove the existance of Militia world

Supporting Evidences.

Until Militia World Evolved into Silver Bubble it's Existence wasn't able to Perceived by Silver Bubbles inhabitants. The Moment it became the Silver Bubbles then in the Silver Sea it's existence was proven thus Silver bubbles inhabitants started to invade it. But it was impossible until it was existed as just a Bubble World.

Characters who invaded Militia World had to wait
for 14K years (Years doesn't matter but what i am saying is Bubble world existence wasn't be able to proven until it become Silver Bubble). They were instantly able to recognise the Militia World the moment it became a Silver Bubble but it was impossible for them until then.

"How did that come from out in the world?"

"Well, let's see."

 We flew through the sky and out into the black sky.

"The two men who targeted your mother, the Kostoria and the Shipman, if they are also from out of this world, that's puzzling."

 Shin said.

"Indeed. I doubt that they would have come after my mother now, even if they were aiming at the Spirit God Man Sword or my mother. There should have been plenty of opportunities."

 If it's the Spirit God Man Sword, it would have been more certain to target my mother before I was born, while it was still in the temple of the Academy of Heroes.

 But neither Baltzarondo nor Kostoria did so.

"They came around the same time we realized the out-of-this-world possibilities. I don't think that's a coincidence."

"Do you think it has something to do with the world being reincarnated ......?"

"It would make sense if they first discovered this world of Militia after the world reincarnation-- but it doesn't make sense."

 But the rebirth of the world makes it more visible to the outside world, doesn't it?
 Heading to my world, I flew as fast as I could.

 The visibility was poor, but I had memorized the sea route when I arrived.

 As I proceeded, relying on my memory, I eventually saw a silver bubble.

 I feel the magic of Militia.

 I go backwards through the silver light emanating from that small world.

 This silver light is what allows me to enter and exit the small world. It is also from this silver light that Militia's magic power is leaking out.

 So it is reasonable to assume that the silver lamp was not working until the world of Militia was reborn.

 Hence, Kostoria and Balzarondo could not perceive this small world and did not notice Mom and the spirit godman's sword until now.

 It is understandable that they came here after the world reincarnation as if they had shown it to each other.

Well Fixxed explanation is better than mine I guess I am not good at English so.



Like Dereck said counter arguments are so bad dude just spamming random things. Anyway I will try to point out @Georredannea15 is wrong about several things



It's not really insignificant as above scans states it's impossible to prove the existence

Same as above don't see any additional refute here. We are not arguing plot manipulation here it's above Silver Bubbles being more real than Bubble world and Existence of Bubble world is so tiny it's not possible to perceive them
Ahh you're still in the same spot man. This does not always mean that you are qualitatively superior. Also this has nothing to do with plot manipulation.
No Militia World which is 700 millions years+ and It's past world Elenesia World which is some years even older Existed even before that and still it's existence wasn't perceived until it become a silver bubble. It's not About seeing it's important.
o be seen as insignificant, unnoticed, and impossible. All three mean the same. This does not imply some kind of R>F or qualitative superiority. It could be about the collective unconscious or being physically superior.
Lion of Artzenon and Holy Sword World which needed to retrieve things couldn't perceive the world until it become a Silver Bubble ( above scans literally backs up my statement) the argument made by opposition doesn't make where scans clearly mentioned Silver Bubbles inhabitants were able to instantly recognise and perceive the World After it became a Silver Bubble
Statements in the verse. It speaks of physically exceed the limit of order. This supports quantitative superiority. Not qualitative.
Note:

Both Eve Zenio and Hayfolia Worlds were searching for Luna and Evansmana but they're unable to perceive them until Bubble World existence changed into Silver Bubble. It's also important notice Anos in the scan clearly mentioned that twice in different Chapters about how they entered the World after It become a silver bubbles. They couldn't do it before and they couldn't even perceive its existence.




Anyway I have provided scans opposition is spamming random thing without even pointing out a single lines from FAQ page.


 
Leave that to later words I am already tired arguing with @Georredannea15 bad refutes. Don't want to discuss that here
This will be decided by the admins, not us. Also, you're still moving forward with assumptions and probabilities. You compared being impossible, not being perceived, being insignificant to absence and seeing fiction. This is an assumption, this is not what these expressions mean and their context is unknown. This may be some kind of collective unconscious, metaphysical or physical superiority.

There is no proof of R>F and qualitative superiority.
 
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