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Alright, I'm going to be trying to upgrade some of the Phoenix avatars, as a few of them are pretty heavily downplayed.
General Stuff
- Giruad wounded Eternity.
- With the Anti-Phoenix, Necrom was able to merge infinite Earths into a single reality. Necrom could absorb the energy matrix. The energy matrix was capable of creating Otherworld, which could block the Chaos Wave.
- Impossible Man, who in A+X #15 created a singularity that could have destroyed all universes in Marvel, was stated by Galactus to almost be comparable to a Phoenix avatar.
- The Shi'ar consider The Phoenix to be the end of all that is.
- The Watchers believe Phoenix Vulcan can destroy them.
- The Phoenix is "beyond reality" and "of creation."
- Phoenix is the Big Bang, and the Big Bang made the multiverse.
- Phoenix Vulcan can destroy all of reality.
- The Stone Age Phoenix is implied to be relative to Odin, and capable of building creation again with him.
Loga
- Phoenix Logan can damage and overpower Old King Thor.
- Phoenix Logan can overpower and reverse the effects of the Infinity Gems.
Hope Summers
- With the help of Scarlet Witch, Hope was able to erase The Phoenix Force. They were explicitly stated to have erased it from existence.
Cyclops
- Cyclops describes himself as endless and boundless.
- With only 1/2 of the Phoenix Force, Cyclops no-selled Scarlet Witch's full Chaos Magic attack.
- Cyclops began to ascend into the White Hot Room, which is the Nexus of All Realities. The White Hot Room is the heart of the Phoenix.
- Cyclops was able to simultaneously fight Hope Summers with the powers of Scarlet Witch at their full potential, and Scarlet Witch herself.
- Cyclops only lost against Scarlet Witch and Hope Summers, who had Wanda's powers to their full potential, when Jean convinced him to give up The Phoenix.
Jean Grey
- Jean claimed all of creation was a part of her.
- She claims she has the power of all creation.
- Doctor Strange describes Dark Phoenix's power as great and Reed Richards compares her to Galactus. Given the last two scans, he likely refers to a well fed Galactus.
- Doctor Doom chose to flee instead of gaining the notice of Dark Phoenix. Considering that he has willingly faced down Nightmare and Galactus, this indicates DP is stronger than them both.
- Jean is feared by the cosmic abstracts, this scan specifically showing that she's on the same tier as The Stranger, and even Dormammu or the Infinity Gauntlet.
- Galactus reveres Green Phoenix's power and is wounded by her. Given her previous showings, this was likely meant to be well fed Galactus.
- Uatu states Jean has power "second only to the creator." What this really means, I'm not sure. But it seemed interesting.
- The Phoenix will bring the end of all there is and then Oblivion will embrace creation.
- Being able to touch and sense everything in creation is described as possibly being what Jean Grey felt like as the Phoenix.
- Jean is able to control Eternity, supported by The Phoenix being the embodiment of evolution and life force that evolves into Eternity.
- Jean as Dark Phoenix is a greater threat than the M'krann Crystal, which was a threat to all existence.
- Jean is stronger than the Death Seed, which could consume the multiverse.
- Jean and The Phoenix can transcend "this place," which based on the context seems to mean the aforementioned White Hot Room.
- Jean Grey is the most powerful host of The Phoenix. This means every single feat above, she scales to.
Proposals
- Cyclops be given two more keys: 1/2 of the Phoenix Force and Dark Phoenix, both of which will be 2-A. His current Phoenix Force key should be renamed to 1/5 of the Phoenix Force. Logically his 1/5 of the Phoenix Force key should be changed to 'At least 4-B, likely 2-A' due to him having a finite percentage of the Phoenix Force, similar to this character right here.
- The rest of the Phoenix Five should all also be changed to 'At least 4-B, likely 2-A' for the same reasons as Cyclops. Magik would also have another reason for the 2-A statistic, as Dormammu considered her a threat but it is unknown how strong Dormammu was in that story and Dormammu is very clearly superior to her. Emma Frost should also receive a 1/2 of the Phoenix Force key, and she would be 2-A due to being Cyclops' equal.
- Hope Summers is given a new key: White Phoenix, with which she would be 2―A. She should likely also be given a key for when she had the powers of Scarlet Witch, which would also be 2-A.
- Jean Grey's Phoenix key should be upped to 2-A, due to scaling above every previous normal Phoenix avatar. Her Phoenix key should be split up into Green Phoenix and Dark Phoenix, as she is canonically stronger as Dark Phoenix. Her White Phoenix of the Crown key should be upgraded to High 1-B, due to having the full power of the Phoenix Force. If not High 1-B, then 'At least 2-A'. This would also make the Universal Phoenix Force 'At least 2-A.'
General Stuff
- Giruad wounded Eternity.
- With the Anti-Phoenix, Necrom was able to merge infinite Earths into a single reality. Necrom could absorb the energy matrix. The energy matrix was capable of creating Otherworld, which could block the Chaos Wave.
- Impossible Man, who in A+X #15 created a singularity that could have destroyed all universes in Marvel, was stated by Galactus to almost be comparable to a Phoenix avatar.
- The Shi'ar consider The Phoenix to be the end of all that is.
- The Watchers believe Phoenix Vulcan can destroy them.
- The Phoenix is "beyond reality" and "of creation."
- Phoenix is the Big Bang, and the Big Bang made the multiverse.
- Phoenix Vulcan can destroy all of reality.
- The Stone Age Phoenix is implied to be relative to Odin, and capable of building creation again with him.
Loga
- Phoenix Logan can damage and overpower Old King Thor.
- Phoenix Logan can overpower and reverse the effects of the Infinity Gems.
Hope Summers
- With the help of Scarlet Witch, Hope was able to erase The Phoenix Force. They were explicitly stated to have erased it from existence.
Cyclops
- Cyclops describes himself as endless and boundless.
- With only 1/2 of the Phoenix Force, Cyclops no-selled Scarlet Witch's full Chaos Magic attack.
- Cyclops began to ascend into the White Hot Room, which is the Nexus of All Realities. The White Hot Room is the heart of the Phoenix.
- Cyclops was able to simultaneously fight Hope Summers with the powers of Scarlet Witch at their full potential, and Scarlet Witch herself.
- Cyclops only lost against Scarlet Witch and Hope Summers, who had Wanda's powers to their full potential, when Jean convinced him to give up The Phoenix.
Jean Grey
- Jean claimed all of creation was a part of her.
- She claims she has the power of all creation.
- Doctor Strange describes Dark Phoenix's power as great and Reed Richards compares her to Galactus. Given the last two scans, he likely refers to a well fed Galactus.
- Doctor Doom chose to flee instead of gaining the notice of Dark Phoenix. Considering that he has willingly faced down Nightmare and Galactus, this indicates DP is stronger than them both.
- Jean is feared by the cosmic abstracts, this scan specifically showing that she's on the same tier as The Stranger, and even Dormammu or the Infinity Gauntlet.
- Galactus reveres Green Phoenix's power and is wounded by her. Given her previous showings, this was likely meant to be well fed Galactus.
- Uatu states Jean has power "second only to the creator." What this really means, I'm not sure. But it seemed interesting.
- The Phoenix will bring the end of all there is and then Oblivion will embrace creation.
- Being able to touch and sense everything in creation is described as possibly being what Jean Grey felt like as the Phoenix.
- Jean is able to control Eternity, supported by The Phoenix being the embodiment of evolution and life force that evolves into Eternity.
- Jean as Dark Phoenix is a greater threat than the M'krann Crystal, which was a threat to all existence.
- Jean is stronger than the Death Seed, which could consume the multiverse.
- Jean and The Phoenix can transcend "this place," which based on the context seems to mean the aforementioned White Hot Room.
- Jean Grey is the most powerful host of The Phoenix. This means every single feat above, she scales to.
Proposals
- Cyclops be given two more keys: 1/2 of the Phoenix Force and Dark Phoenix, both of which will be 2-A. His current Phoenix Force key should be renamed to 1/5 of the Phoenix Force. Logically his 1/5 of the Phoenix Force key should be changed to 'At least 4-B, likely 2-A' due to him having a finite percentage of the Phoenix Force, similar to this character right here.
- The rest of the Phoenix Five should all also be changed to 'At least 4-B, likely 2-A' for the same reasons as Cyclops. Magik would also have another reason for the 2-A statistic, as Dormammu considered her a threat but it is unknown how strong Dormammu was in that story and Dormammu is very clearly superior to her. Emma Frost should also receive a 1/2 of the Phoenix Force key, and she would be 2-A due to being Cyclops' equal.
- Hope Summers is given a new key: White Phoenix, with which she would be 2―A. She should likely also be given a key for when she had the powers of Scarlet Witch, which would also be 2-A.
- Jean Grey's Phoenix key should be upped to 2-A, due to scaling above every previous normal Phoenix avatar. Her Phoenix key should be split up into Green Phoenix and Dark Phoenix, as she is canonically stronger as Dark Phoenix. Her White Phoenix of the Crown key should be upgraded to High 1-B, due to having the full power of the Phoenix Force. If not High 1-B, then 'At least 2-A'. This would also make the Universal Phoenix Force 'At least 2-A.'
