5-A Hax World Cup: Kirby VS Ben 10,000 (R1 G2 F2)

[Psychomaster35]

(Hub)

In this match, Kirby (Hoshi no Kirby Mo-retsu Pupupu Hour!) (nominated by Niccokirby) will fight Ben 10,000 (Main Timeline) (nominated by Crimson Azoth).

Kirby starts in base, and this is Omniverse Ben 10,000.

Who wins?

Kirby:

Ben 10,000: 8 (Greenshifter, Jimboydejuan12, XSOULOFCINDERX, I'm Blue daba dee daba die, AbcMac23, Soupywolf5, Lord JJJ, KieranH10)

Inconclusive:

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Something Something Atomic-X.

 

[Soupywolf5]

Low Godly rege- oh wait, wrong Kirby

 

[Jimboydejuan12]

Something Something Atomic-X.

sure you want not allow Atomic-X? bring NLF.

 

[Greenshifter]

Ben's gonna need Atomic-X in his future fights so yeah I don't see why not to allow him.

@Psychomaster What alien does he start as since Ben 10000 is not FTL in base... yet?

 

[The_Axiom_of_Virgo]

I assume speed is =, it depends which alien does Ben 10,000 usually starts with?.

 

[AnonymousBlank]

He typically mains XLR8 for patrolling but while he blitzes, he isn't strong enough to harm Kirby so that doesn't matter. OV Ben 10K usually goes for Atomic-X from the get go when serious even if he isn't needed at all.

 

[Greenshifter]

Speed equal and Ben 10000 don't really work well because of XLR8, who should count as a speed amp. To avoid a discussion on speed standards, we just let Ben start as an alien, if said alien turns out to be XLR8 then just equalize speed to Four Arms or something.

@Anon OS Ben did that, not sure about OV Ben but it is likely he does the same (or some speedy fusion alien).

I doubt he will go Atomic-X on Kirby from the get-go because of his looks.

What AP does Kirby have? Ben's aliens scale to 430 Yottatons, I will give a scaling chain if relevant.

Does this Kirby also turn into a ghost when killed?

 

[Psychomaster35]

Bump

 

[Greenshifter]

Kirby is baseline no? In that case Ben blitzes with XLR8 and Kirby turns ghost correct?

 

[Psychomaster35]

Speed is equalized, so no blitz. And while I have no knowledge on this version of Kirby, I can assume he scales to the game Kirby where any element he inhales, he gets that ability. Though, does Ben have any ghost themed aliens?

 

[Greenshifter]

Speed should be equalized to Four Arms (or Base Ben when I make him FTL tomorrow), hence XLR8 who is faster should count as a speed amp and thus blitz (or nearly blitz since Vilgax can tag XLR8 and Four Arms scales to him). I think this Kirby can even transform without inhaling because of his pocket dimension. When game Kirby dies he turns into a ghost and you need to kill the ghost as well, don't know if this applies to this Kirby. Ben has Ghostfreak and Big Chill to probably deal with Ghost Kirby yes.

 

[Soupywolf5]

But Kirby's faster with speed unequal, so there would be no XLR8 blitzing

 

[Greenshifter]

But XLR8 won't be Ben's only reason for victory since Kirby turns ghost after this I think, so it's allowed.

 

[Eficiente]

That's canon Kirby.

 

[Greenshifter]

All right so immortality type 7 only applies to one of his copy abilities then? In that case Ben combo's XLR8 into Cannonbolt which is a semi-blitz I guess?

Or any fusion alien really and the moment Ben hits Kirby, Kirby is dead because of AP gap.

 

[Eficiente]

Speed is equalized, so no blitz.

 

[AnonymousBlank]

XLR8 would be treated as an amp in this case as it blitzes Ben's usual alien speed.

 

[Eficiente]

Amps can't be used when they result in a blitz, which you just pointed out that it does.

 

[Greenshifter]

Wouldn't it just not be added as notable victory? So this basically means that XLR8 (and probably Fasttrack) is restricted for this match?

 

[Eficiente]

"During a match where speed is equalized, speed amplification techniques are allowed, unless they lead to a victory via Speed Blitz in favor of the slower character."

Well, all of Ben's aliens that are way faster than him would be disallowed if we go strictly by that rule. It's more reasonable for all of them to just have the same speed Ben and Kirby have.

 

[Greenshifter]

Base Ben 10000 is getting upgraded to FTL, Ant accepted that revision, just need to apply it, I think it's better to just exclude XLR8 since Ben would use XLR8 in character but with the same speed as his other aliens he's useless.

How likely is Kirby to use Ghost Kirby and existence erasure?

 

[Eficiente]

Unlikely due to sheer probability and the other is basically impossible. That's even one of the powers he never used (he has some he just scales to canon Kirby to have).

 

[Greenshifter]

All right then I guess Four Arms punches, Diamondhead uses diamond shards, Arctiguana freezes and Base Ben seals with Null Void Eggs. In other words my vote is on Kirby, Benjamin Kirby Tennyson that is.

 

[Eficiente]

Well, this Kirby makes very IC use of its own Master Control, for reference:

https://imgur.com/a/LKsGk

 

[Greenshifter]

Yeah it would be a glorious fight but any fist clash is gonna end with Kirby dead because of AP right?

 

[Eficiente]

I think so, yes.

 

[Soupywolf5]

Being baseline in the fifth broadest tier isn't fun

 

[Greenshifter]

@Soupy yup it's a shame.

 

[Psychomaster35]

Bump

 

[Psychomaster35]

Bump

 

[Psychomaster35]

Bump

 

[Psychomaster35]

Bump

 

[Soupywolf5]

These are some lightning quick bumps you've been doing

 

[Psychomaster35]

Bump

 

[GalacticIron]

This branch of the Kirby series really needs some calcs for their feats at this point.

 

[Psychomaster35]

Agreed... but your vote?

 

[GalacticIron]

Pretty sure Ben just overpowers Kirby here, unless Kirby decides to eat the panel right away (does that count as a wincon for Kirby?).

 

[Jimboydejuan12]

Nah why not do start SBA? then not allow Atomic-X count.

 

[Psychomaster35]

I guess it does, as Kirby's wincon. Also, I suppose I can do SBA for this tournament.