4D Reality Warpers fight! ((Discord vs Heavenly Ascension DIO (JoJo's Bizarre Adventure: Eyes of Heaven vs My Little Pony)) (0-0-7, CONCLUDED)

[sanicspood]

Discord

Tier: 2-A, possibly Low 1-C | 2-A, possibly Low 1-C Name: Discord, Grogar | Accord Origin: My Little Pony Gender: Male Age: At least thousands of years old (Claimed that he's lived at least this long), Possibly far older (Is implied to have had friends since the Dinosaur era, and if so he would...

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Heaven Ascension DIO

Heaven Ascension DIO is the main antagonist of JoJo's Bizarre Adventure: Eyes of Heaven. In an alternate timeline outside of the canon series, DIO is successful in killing the Joestars. He then proceeds with his plan of achieving Heaven and unlocks godly powers with his new Stand: The World Over...

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base discord (uni+ version) vs post absorption dio is used
speed is equal

discord:

dio:

inconclusive: 7

 

[Coolboy6]

How does Dio’s hax work? Discord’s is thought based.

 

[sanicspood]

ha dios stuff is apparently thought based too

 

[Keeweed]

Dio’s is also thought but sometimes he does go for punching with it. Though starting move is more often thought based.

 

[Lightbuster30]

If both are thought based then it might just be an incon.

 

[Coolboy6]

If both are thought based then it might just be an incon.

I was kinda thinking the same thing.

 

[sanicspood]

bump

 

[sanicspood]

bump

 

[Keeweed]

Since nobody has voted yet, I’ll vote inconclusive because both open with thought based hax and both have practically zero resistances.

 

[sanicspood]

counted

 

[Coolboy6]

Incon FRA
Discord the new incon god against though based hax users lol.

 

[sanicspood]

counted

 

[CinnabarManx421]

Incon FRA

 

[sanicspood]

coutned

 

[Ss3micah]

Can someone explain to me how DIO gets pass AE and Type 8?

 

[Chariot190]

Can someone explain to me how DIO gets pass AE and Type 8?

Dio has 2-A+ range EE that could erase a target everywhere ever across all dimensions simultaneously along with things closely related to them (like personal belongings, stand, etc), would probably be sufficient to get past type 8 just fine. (Though Dio does use BFR so that'd kinda bypass the issue entirely).

AE is weird, like in theory Dio would scale to things like Spin, as at the time he did and was put above it and after all he could negate the Infinite Spin, and JoJo just got some abstract stuff in WoU, but that's the thing, WoU is kinda new, and HA DIO predates him by like 3 years+, even if some of the new stuff retroactively scales to like Act 4, BB and Soft & Wet. Not sure how we want to treat that, at the very least though Dio can probably rewrite the world itself to help with some types of abstracts, but like, I wouldn't put it past Dio to rewrite the world to where something like winter just doesn't happen anymore, but something more metaphysical might be impossible.

Also for res', Dio resists corruption, biomanip, transmutation, mind hax, and a small degree of reality warping via the holy corpse (in which he has the full thing). Not sure if any of those help.

 

[Ss3micah]

AE is weird, like in theory Dio would scale to things like Spin, as at the time he did and was put above it and after all he could negate the Infinite Spin, and JoJo just got some abstract stuff in WoU, but that's the thing, WoU is kinda new, and HA DIO predates him by like 3 years+, even if some of the new stuff retroactively scales to like Act 4, BB and Soft & Wet. Not sure how we want to treat that, at the very least though Dio can probably rewrite the world itself to help with some types of abstracts, but like, I wouldn't put it past Dio to rewrite the world to where something like winter just doesn't happen anymore, but something more metaphysical might be impossible.

All this is well and good in theory but unless Dio has some way of completely erasing concepts then he's not getting rid of Discord
Is a similar being to Cosmos in that both embody a concept, and even while depowered Cosmos has strongly implied she cannot be destroyed because the concept she embodies cannot

Also for res', Dio resists corruption, biomanip, transmutation, mind hax, and a small degree of reality warping via the holy corpse (in which he has the full thing). Not sure if any of those help.

DIO doesn't have answers for Conceptual Manipulation, Causality Manipulation, EE, plus Discords LARGE degree of RW

 

[Chariot190]

All this is well and good in theory but unless Dio has some way of completely erasing concepts then he's not getting rid of Discord Is a similar being to Cosmos in that both embody a concept, and even while depowered Cosmos has strongly implied she cannot be destroyed because the concept she embodies cannot

Yeah I read it (Not withstanding it's listed as only a possibility and not something he 100% has for sure, I'm not so sure if I wanna argue maybes here), as I said, 2-A+ EE that deletes the target everywhere in all worlds all at once including related facets of them should probably work fine.
Not withstanding Dio has 2-A+ BFR (that's also temporal) which he's just as likely to use, circumventing the need to kill entirely.

DIO doesn't have answers for Conceptual Manipulation, Causality Manipulation, EE, plus Discords LARGE degree of RW

He actually do tho, his power null could negate causality manip and the Holy Corpse can nullify Dio's own reality warping to a degree, also if Jotaro managed to get by Dio's EE using his own RO Dio would as well. Conceptual manip, not so much, but 3 of of 4 is good numbers.
Though this doesn't really matter, Discord in turn doesn't have an answer to most of Dio's stuff, like it's all good and well if you have a win condition but when your foe has just as many and can pull them off just as quickly, it becomes less of a viable strat and just whatever.

 

[Vizer04]

Incon FRA

 

[XXKINGXX69]

Incon fra

 

[sanicspood]

Counted

 

[Lightbuster30]

That would actually be 6 for incon. Voted that myself near the start.

 

[sanicspood]

ah

 

[Mapl3Sy4up]

Incon. Fra

 

[Ss3micah]

Yeah I read it (Not withstanding it's listed as only a possibility and not something he 100% has for sure, I'm not so sure if I wanna argue maybes here)

Yeah better to not argue with statistics that we cant effectively use

as I said, 2-A+ EE that deletes the target everywhere in all worlds all at once including related facets of them should probably work fine.

Probably or Probably Not. I say this cause even though I'll agree he can EE him, AE just keeps him alive since he's essentially the very concept itself

Not withstanding Dio has 2-A+ BFR (that's also temporal) which he's just as likely to use, circumventing the need to kill entirely.

Yeah, 2-A BFR is a good move

his power null could negate causality manip

True
Though in retrospect the causality manipulation he negated works completely different from the way Discord uses Causality Manipulation. Not sure it's fair to say that just because DIO negated one variation of Causality Manipulation means he can automatically negate any and every potential use of causality manipulation.

Overall Good Point (Questionably Valid IMO)

and the Holy Corpse can nullify Dio's own reality warping to a degree

Another Good Point though not sure if the Holy Corpse can negate Discords potency of RW. Then again it depends on Potency of DIO's RW and what the potency was set to
DIO's RW can be anywhere from 4-A to Low 2-C (depends on which the OP set it to) while he makes it clear that Discord is at Low 2-C potency with his RW

The OP needs to specify the potency of DIO's RW
If it's 4-A or 3-A then the holy corpse likely cant negate Discords RW given it's potency is infinitely stronger
If it's Low 2-C then the holy corpse can negate Discords RW

EDIT:
The OP has made it clear that DIO RW is Low 2-C here so.... yeah DIO likely resists now

,also if Jotaro managed to get by Dio's EE using his own RO Dio would as well.

Again this may or may not work depending on the potency DIO's RW was set to
The OP needs to make it clear

EDIT:
Same case here

Conceptual manip, not so much, but 3 of of 4 is good numbers.

Yeah GG Chariot

Though this doesn't really matter, Discord in turn doesn't have an answer to most of Dio's stuff, like it's all good and well if you have a win condition but when your foe has just as many and can pull them off just as quickly, it becomes less of a viable strat and just whatever.

Discord still has Power Null which seems like a pretty good option considering he power nulled Cosmos who is you know a Conceptual Being/Embodiment and DIO does not seem to have resistance to that
Matter Hax which is always good
Body Puppetry and Possession (also good moves)
Petrification
Sleep Manipulation (which is Ironically really good)
Telekinesis
And again Concept Hax

 

[sanicspood]

counted

 

[Ss3micah]

counted

Yeah better to not argue with statistics that we cant effectively use

Another Good Point though not sure if the Holy Corpse can negate Discords potency of RW. Then again it depends on Potency of DIO's RW and what the potency was set to
DIO's RW can be anywhere from 4-A to Low 2-C (depends on which the OP set it to) while he makes it clear that Discord is at Low 2-C potency with his RW

The OP needs to specify the potency of DIO's RW
If it's 4-A or 3-A then the holy corpse likely cant negate Discords RW given it's potency is infinitely stronger
If it's Low 2-C then the holy corpse can negate Discords RW

Thread Starter
Can you make it clear please?

 

[sanicspood]

Thread Starter
Can you make it clear please?

thw rw for dio is low 2-c here

 

[Ss3micah]

thw rw for dio is low 2-c here

Yup that pretty much did it
Leaning towards Incon atm