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2B goku? massive upgrade to goku
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The lowball. It's killing me.
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I know, the end pretty much gives it away
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Not when i wanted to take a shot at seth
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he genuinly made goku 2b and thinks broly is multy soral sistem. hes good at powerscaling, but relies on multipliers too much
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i mean, the conclusion in teh video linked are the aftermath of his own idea, and while parody, would be what genuinly happened, exept the base goku=jiren part
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He isn't a DBtard like most people believe. In fact, he's debunked many videos in which DB characters win.Ovrhide said:
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yeah, tehre is no doubt about that, but he does go overboard with scaling
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(This is now the fourth time I'm typing this up because of the rebellion of my phone and the failure of my mobile browser. I may or may not be insane given that I've now officially devoted hours of my day toward expressing my thoughts on SethTheProgrammer. I'm at work alone in the lobby so it's whatever. And yes this is the third time I'm explaining that. At least this time I'm typing it up in a note taking app so I can copy and paste from here.)
I've been watching Seth's channel for years now so I think I have some context for understanding its strengths and weaknesses along with how it's developed and improved over time.
I have mixed feelings on the specifics of his content but it's definitely gotten much better. He used to have a habit of not specifying which level of universal destruction, creation, etc...he'd be referring to despite having an understanding of the differences. He also had an issue with neglecting to specify whether he was referring to the DBZ anime, Kai, or Toriyama's manga when doing calcs, scaling, citing feats, etc...and if misinterpreted, this creates a composite that the viewer doesn't know is a composite. Neither of these appear to be an issue anymore though sometimes the scaling issues become relevant again when evaluating mid-high tier DBZ characters in DBS. His content, in general, is much better organized than it used to be.
I actually agree with him on the legitimacy of the use of SSJ multipliers and implied scaling within the series to track, for example, Goku's increases in base. Of course, inconsistencies can arise but given the challenges, I think he does a good job and scaling within the series has always been a strong suit of his. Part of his reputation for wank comes from using multipliers on destructive feats/calcs/statements, it does produce huge impressive numbers (I'm p sure this includes 3-B Super Vegito assuming baseline 4-B SPC) but even he usually only goes as far as to say that results like these with stacked multipliers only represent what the characters AP >could possibly< be so I think it's fine content even if I don't agree with the results of the calcs themselves.
I think most people here will agree that his conception of how hax abilities work fundamentally nerfs the concept; that said, his position is generally correct with regard to how hax often function in DB with AP being a sufficient counter the majority of the time so that's worth discussion at least, albeit a different discussion.
Anyway, yeah the guy wanks DB's AP, speed, and hax resistance using controversial methods that he, at this point, does clearly show his work when using. I still enjoy his content because the guy is really funny and I have a natural fondness for the channel that really got me into this stuff. There are much worse roads one could go down in the vs debating community: some people think pre-retcon Beyonder is omnipotent
I've been watching Seth's channel for years now so I think I have some context for understanding its strengths and weaknesses along with how it's developed and improved over time.
I have mixed feelings on the specifics of his content but it's definitely gotten much better. He used to have a habit of not specifying which level of universal destruction, creation, etc...he'd be referring to despite having an understanding of the differences. He also had an issue with neglecting to specify whether he was referring to the DBZ anime, Kai, or Toriyama's manga when doing calcs, scaling, citing feats, etc...and if misinterpreted, this creates a composite that the viewer doesn't know is a composite. Neither of these appear to be an issue anymore though sometimes the scaling issues become relevant again when evaluating mid-high tier DBZ characters in DBS. His content, in general, is much better organized than it used to be.
I actually agree with him on the legitimacy of the use of SSJ multipliers and implied scaling within the series to track, for example, Goku's increases in base. Of course, inconsistencies can arise but given the challenges, I think he does a good job and scaling within the series has always been a strong suit of his. Part of his reputation for wank comes from using multipliers on destructive feats/calcs/statements, it does produce huge impressive numbers (I'm p sure this includes 3-B Super Vegito assuming baseline 4-B SPC) but even he usually only goes as far as to say that results like these with stacked multipliers only represent what the characters AP >could possibly< be so I think it's fine content even if I don't agree with the results of the calcs themselves.
I think most people here will agree that his conception of how hax abilities work fundamentally nerfs the concept; that said, his position is generally correct with regard to how hax often function in DB with AP being a sufficient counter the majority of the time so that's worth discussion at least, albeit a different discussion.
Anyway, yeah the guy wanks DB's AP, speed, and hax resistance using controversial methods that he, at this point, does clearly show his work when using. I still enjoy his content because the guy is really funny and I have a natural fondness for the channel that really got me into this stuff. There are much worse roads one could go down in the vs debating community: some people think pre-retcon Beyonder is omnipotent
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In a video a couple of weeks ago, Seth started wanking Alien X saying that he is possibly 5-D, although he did that with the collaboration of Kuro the Artist, who is a Ben 10 wanker who thought Alien X was nigh-omnipotent.
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I saw that vid; I don't know all that much about Alien X but I've seen its tier hotly debated in many diff places so I've been operating under the assumption that it's just a super controversial topic?Stryk3r1337 said:
And I don't think it's ever fair to call someone (Kuro) who doesn't typically participate in these sorts of debates a wanker for their ideas? Like the frame of reference just isn't there, many people think Haruhi is omnipotent but they likely have never been prompted to think about omnipotence on a philosophical level or the way a higher dimensional being would interact with a lower in the context of how fictional characters compare to each other in combat
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Well, technically, if I say Goku can beat someone like Thanos with the IG or the DC God tier, then that means I'm wanking Goku. But I digress.
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It is technically wank but the label isn't really justified in this case. I also cut him a little slack on the "beat pretty much any character in fiction" thing because while there are many many superior characters, a single Universal+ does solo the overwhelming majority of characters in fiction. Being superior or equal to a universal spacetime continuum is pretty OP despite it being literally nothing to a higher dimensional being.
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How did i, yes, broly is. Multi solar sistem level, how did i miy it up, he claimed thet he could destroy a macrocosm, and that hed be capable of destroying a galaxy in a few days.
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....Uhhhh....uhhhh....Ricsi-viragosi said:
Didn't he easily destroy South Galaxy, though?
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No, he was supposed to have done so through his entire life, and the amount of differences between macrocosm and a galaxy is pretty different
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Yeah...but throughout most of his life, you could see him being EASILY restrained by his Father. So, I think South Galaxy during that time was rather most recent.
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Guys, Seth thinks Broly is multi-galaxy level at full power
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Well, Seth's kind of ********, also.
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Differing opinions don't make him an idiot lol. Also, I wasn't even attacking him in pointing that out, it seemed that the consensus here was that Seth had peak Broly around multi solar system level and that just isn't true
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Well, this site has Broly at multi solar system aswell.OuterversalRaditz said:
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holy god seth is a very credible power scaler how dare you make judgments and btw he said its not a confirmed number!Ricsi-viragosi said:
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You're right.OuterversalRaditz said:
However, making rash conclusions based off of pure BS, is idiotic.
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shall i have him debunk you guys?AntorusTheBurningThrone said:
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lol
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you can try, but the fact that hes logic leads to a goku 300 quantillions stronger then baser is kinda stupid
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I don't think Seth said Goku is 2-B, either. At least not recently. I'm fairly certain that he even said that the highest you could even wank Jiren to was low multiversal, and even that would be ridiculous. Pretty sure this was when he was doing some debunk of "Jiren vs the Marvel Universe" or whatever.
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You're right.
However, making rash conclusions based off of pure BS, is idiotic.
shall i have him debunk you guys?
Chuck, is that you?
However, making rash conclusions based off of pure BS, is idiotic.
shall i have him debunk you guys?
Chuck, is that you?
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How is Broly not Multi-Solar-System level? He destroyed the entire South Galaxy, which actually contains 1/4 of all of Universe 7 (which contains billions of galaxies at least), within the span of 20-30 years, possibly less. This would make him far superior to Buuhan.
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Besides, if you use Xeno feats for DB Super Goku, Goku actually is 2B since he actually beat Xeno Goku in a fight, and that was only in his SSGSS state, i'm not even including Kaioken or Ultra Instinct -Sign-
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DB Super Goku and Xeno Goku have separate profiles.
And yes, Broly is Multi-Solar System level+
And yes, Broly is Multi-Solar System level+
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