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Can't write any big posts because it's late.
That's called Existence Erasure, which normally doesn't scale to AP.
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2-C to 2-A standards, the return
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That's not really my point.
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Wait, so if someone is 2 Universes and then someone is 3 Universes, the person who is 3 Universes is Infinitely Stronger than the 2 Universe person? That's fuckimg stupid.
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Yes. Although people will try to say it’s “unquantifiable” when all their going is hiding the fact that it’s infinite.
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Not meant to sidetrack any arguments, but there are verses that have distance between Universes.
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What happens if a verse gives us a visual representation, description, or some weird statement about the distance between worlds?
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That honestly makes the whole argument even dumber. The distance is supposed to be entirely unknown. Just look at Super. You have Beerus and Champa being 1/2 low 2-C just for being able to destroy 2 universes when they fight, yet the distance between their Universes is clearly not infinite or unquantifiable or anything like that. Clearly, their high tier comes from the 2 Universes deal more than it does the distance between them. So, this begs the question: Why is distance even relevant?Not meant to sidetrack any arguments, but there are verses that have distance between Universes.
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I agree with Zamasu
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I also agree with Zamasu.
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Er, the example I posted for distance between universes is still unknown. The example was to prove there is distance for some verses, while still being unknown.
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We likely need some help to properly evaluate this issue.
We likely need some help to properly evaluate this issue.
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The separation between two or more space-times is unquantifiable. Which means that a Low 2-C can't become 2-C irrespective of what multiplier they get. The only way for a character to be 2-C is by having a feat where they destroy 2 or more space-times simultaneously and same for 2-B and 2-A as well. Multipliers only make you stronger within the same Tier after 3-A. Jumping to a higher Tier through multipliers is impossible above 3-A
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No the 3 Universe buster simply is unquantifiably stronger than the 2 Universe buster. That is just the accepted understanding
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But that is literally the case
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That's just between Low 2-C and 2-C, actually, is hella obvious that the space between universes is multiplied as well when a 2-C/2-B character gets their power multiplied, since the range that was originally between these universes is multiplied too, regardless of how it is.
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Well, on second thought, the space between universes is not increasing linearly. The same principle as an expanding omnidirectional 3-D explosion increasing drastically in required power to encompass and destroy multiple solar systems and galaxies should apply for universes as well, but on a 4-D or 5-D scale.
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Range or AoE doesn't generally get multiplied when there is a power multiplier unless explicitly mentioned - in which case it simply becomes a case of saying X destroys 2 space-times in base and 10 space-times with a 5x multiplier. But that has to be explicitly mentioned
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Why should it when is basic logic?
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because it actually isn't basic logic and because Range/AoE doesn't scale linearly with power level anyway
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It is when the space between universes is already bypassed and is multiplied as well, since whatever it is is not an issue anymore since is already included when the AP and range of the character is multiplied.
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Also, considering another way, the general idea is that Tiers should get wider and wider as we go higher and higher up. 3-A to High 3-A, High 3-A to Low 2-C and Low 2-C to 2-C are already infinite multipliers of increasingly large infinities. Continuing in the same vein, 2-C to 2-B should also be a multiplier of an even higher degree of infinity and not 1001.
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The difference between Finite 2-D, Infinite 2-D and Finite 3-D is like the difference between 3-A (Finite 3-D). High 3-A (Infinite 3-D), Low 2-C (Finite 4-D), 2-C (Infinite 4-D), 2-B (A bigger Infinite 4-D, but still comparable to 2-C), and 2-A (A 4-D power infinitely greater than "baseline" infinite 4-D).
Think a bit about it, as there is Finite 2-D, there are also bigger degrees of infinite 2-D power right? No matter how much the latter is big, even if is multiplied for infinity^infinity^infinity^... it would still be Infinite 2-D, but on different levels. Same with High 3-A, which is basically what I've said but 3-D.
This is for 4-D as well, as Low 2-C is Finite 4-D power, 2-C is like (beyond) Infinite 4-D, and 2-B is just an higher degree of said (beyond) infinite value and 2-A is a value infinitely greater of an alraedy (beyond) infinite value.
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Based on what? I've pointed why it can be so, but you're just ignoring my arguments and still keeping with the same words, despite I've explained how's not actually how you say.
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I do not think that a 2-B character is usually infinitely stronger than a 2-C character. The difference is just unquantifiable due to unknown distance combined with the issue that I mentioned above.
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I've pointed out how actually Low 2-C and 2-C to 2-A have the same relation as 3-A and different degrees of High 3-A
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Well, I personally believe my interpretation to be more accurate, but will call some other staff members here.
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@Antvasima just think like this, since is how infinities actually works on dimensions
2-D = 11-A - x∞ Baseline 11-A - x501 x∞ Baseline 11-A - x(∞ x ∞) Baseline 11-A
3-D = 3-A - High 3-A - x501 Baseline High 3-A - x∞ Baseline High 3-A
4-D = Low 2-C - 2-C - 2-B - 2-A
2-D = 11-A - x∞ Baseline 11-A - x501 x∞ Baseline 11-A - x(∞ x ∞) Baseline 11-A
3-D = 3-A - High 3-A - x501 Baseline High 3-A - x∞ Baseline High 3-A
4-D = Low 2-C - 2-C - 2-B - 2-A
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Already did
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i dont understand isnt the distance already covered when a character is at 2C so multipliers should work?
like (-)-(-) x2 = (-)-(-)-(-)-(-)
while low 2C that wont work as we dont have the distance?
that is how someone explained it to me on the old wiki
tho i noticed we have an extra - after i x2 which would be a flaw but if i x3 that would already give an extra - (with 2 more universes but we have to ignore the other 2 universes as we dont have a 4th - to connect )
so cant we x3 and have (-)-(-)-(-)-(-) minimum?
like (-)-(-) x2 = (-)-(-)-(-)-(-)
while low 2C that wont work as we dont have the distance?
that is how someone explained it to me on the old wiki
tho i noticed we have an extra - after i x2 which would be a flaw but if i x3 that would already give an extra - (with 2 more universes but we have to ignore the other 2 universes as we dont have a 4th - to connect )
so cant we x3 and have (-)-(-)-(-)-(-) minimum?
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Is better to think not really as a line but as an omni-directional attack, so a "sphere" covering 2 universes, if is multiplied x 2, it doubles its size and covers 4 universes
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no (-)-(-) x2 is just that and not (-)-(-)-(-)-(-)
A simple analogy would be if you consider the Multi-Solar System case where (s)-(s)x2 is not equivalent to (s)-(s)-(s)-(s), where (s) refers to a solar system
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Tbf it is, since the difference between 4-A and 3-C is x198.37 million, and both were calculated with the omnidirectional sphere formula, so an omnidirectional attack that covers 2 solar systems, multipled x 2, becomes big enough to cover 4 solar systems for literally basic math
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