1-A / High 1-A / Tier 0 Revisions Hub

[Shiraito983]

this thread | r>f trancendance, https://vsbattles.com/members/ultima_reality.8232/#:~:text=hello, does this qualify for low 1-A?

Villainess level 99 Tier CRT|possible Low 1-C upgrade

its power when activated whats confirmed the higher world, not the sword itself OK. This seems ambiguous. I don't want to get into a quagmire at the moment.

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[Gewsbumpz_dude]

Thinking about making a CRT on Dark Tower given this new Tiering System would change practically everything, and bringing over something big to this wiki that I've been working on for the past few months.

 

[RippleFrog]

Adding a Transformers revision for review to the waitlist, I am aware it will be locked due to the amount of 1A Submissions already being reached currently, I just wanted to provide the information ahead of time for consideration. I am still a bit unfamiliar with some of the system differentiations here, so I did not label it tier 1A or High 1A, but I believe it is going for at least 1A under this system.

Transformers Cosmology Revision / Unicron & Primus Qualitative Evaluation

A few years ago I made a previous thread, mostly focused on how Transformers used higher dimensions and such which resulted in the current standing of the series' strongest characters. Unfortunately, there was quite a lot of relatively obscure Transformers material I had yet to experience at...

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[Theglassman12]

I got a question about 1-A+, if there was some realm or energy source that defines everything in existence, including something that's verbatim 1-A in nature, is that grounds for 1-A+ or would that just be more 1-A?

 

[Everything12]

If their is only a single 1-A only higher into 1-A, if their is an 1-A hierarchy then maybe it could depending on context.

 

[Gewsbumpz_dude]

Thinking about making a CRT on Dark Tower given this new Tiering System would change practically everything, and bringing over something big to this wiki that I've been working on for the past few months.

The Dark Tower: High 1-A Upgrade

Introduction Hello everyone. Earlier this year (Or last year? Idk) I completely revised the book Pennywise profile on this wiki. I think I did a pretty good job, but ever since then I've improved on the scaling and my understanding of the cosmology. After listening to basically weeks worth of...

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[Qawsedf234]

To just get it out of the way, here's D&D's 1-A and High 1-A rewrite proposal. Since it already over the limit I've locked it until its ready to be looked at:

Dungeons and Dragons 1-A / High 1-A justification rewrite

Hello everyone. Since Ultima's tiering revision has gone through, this CRT is made to change the justifications of the current 1-A/High 1-A D&D profiles. Rad To me this is the most straightforward example to do. The current justification is Outerverse level (Comparable to other Old Ones who...

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[VeryGoofyToddler2]

Adding Marvel revision for those who want to check it out.

J.M. DeMatteis (Marvel Cosmology Split)

As some of you may understand I have been advocating with Ultima after this tiering system revision was being applied that DeMatteis's story isn't very congruent with the main Cosmology. While authors like Hickman, Ewing, and many others seem to at least follow a certain contunity with their...

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[Iiliminal]

does manifold even require a CRT for its new rating? High 1-A+ for it is blatant and in the justification for downstreamers tier on the wiki

 

[The_2nd_Existential_Seed]

does manifold even require a CRT for its new rating? High 1-A+ for it is blatant

You more than likely need a thread for it, but yeah it's literally the poster boy of High 1-A+

 

[Ultima_Reality]

does manifold even require a CRT for its new rating?

It does.

 

[Iiliminal]

wait if the downstreamers are High 1-A+, then GOM also and idk if theres an "above baseline" for High 1-A+

 

[Ultima_Reality]

The God of the Manifold stuff probably throws a wrench on it if you think it actually exists, yeah. But also you should discuss this in a proper thread and not in the hub.

 

[Reiner04]

Krishna from Shree Krishna TV show.

Krishna (Shree Krishna TV show) Tier 1/0 revision

Since I am not so sure about standards of tier 0 I'll just leave it to the evaluators/knowledgeable members. https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Krishna_(Shree_Krishna_TV_show) Krishna is shapeless, formless, beyond confines of all creation, he is unchanging, self dependent parambrahma, he is...

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[GarrixianXD]

Huge Honkai Revisions... PART 3

Tampering with this franchise is the last thing I want to do now, but I promised my friends to help out with the most important verse-wide revision. After this, I'll be completely done with Honkai. All credits to @ThanatosX for this CRT 💖(everything in the OP is from his point of view) Honkai...

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[Zenkaibattery1]

https://vsbattles.com/threads/megaton-rainfall-1-a-upgrade.169800/ For 1-A (potentially 1-A+)

 

[Robo432343]

God Tier 0 (Seekers into the Mystery)

Credits to @Shyouu for this CRT https://all-fiction-battles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Shyouu/Seekers_Into_The_Mystery_Explanation:_My_PhD_thesis_in_Hinduism But as mesmerizing as the movies themselves were, there was a deeper mystery I wanted to pierce: The mystery of the man who hovered...

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[Phoenks]

Another one, this time for Last Boss.

A Wild Last Boss Appeared Qualitative Upgrade

This was the Endpoint, a place outside of the universe. Alovenus had named. It was the final point of everything, as well as the beginning. All worlds and all timelines connected to this place. Universes here were something like programs installed on a computer. There was a lot of saved data...

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Btw Ultima I think you forgot to add this one to the list.

 

[Mahek_The_Assassin_Silent_Killer]

Hi. Good to see you.

So, it has finally happened. The new Tiering System is applied. Evil is defeated. We can all go home now. So, I'll be making this thread for a twofold purpose:

1. To keep track of the potential torrent of attempts at 1-A-through-0 upgrades resulting from the revisions, giving people a place in which to submit their threads.

2. To survey verses that need revising in that area and haven't been taken up by anyone as of yet. So, if you come across any verses containing justifications that seem like they'd be affected by the new Tiering System, drop them in here and see if anyone is interested in addressing them. If no one is, you're encouraged to work with the information on the profiles.

And in case you need a reminder:

Tiering System

The following is a comprehensive overview of the hierarchical system the VS Battles Wiki utilizes to properly categorize and index fictional characters, entities, and objects based on the scale of their feats and the varying scopes that they can affect or create/destroy. Though Destructive...

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Tiering System FAQ

A: Whether higher-dimensional entities qualify for such high tiers or not depends on several different factors, which may take root both in and out-of-verse. To explain this situation, we must first clarify what exactly being higher-dimensional entails. In a way, yes, though not how most would...

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Beyond-Dimensional Existence

Beyond-Dimensional Existence is the state of existing beyond dimensions. In the majority of cases, this will be referring to characters who are timeless and spaceless. That is to say: A "beyond-dimensional" character does not take up any volume whatsoever, nor does it occupy a position in...

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Reality-Fiction Transcendence

It is not uncommon in fiction for characters to view lesser realities as if they were fiction, in much the same way as a real world human would view fiction. Frequently that comes in the form of almighty author characters which can freely rewrite those lesser realities. The other way around...

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Omnipotence

Omnipotence, in its most common composition, is defined as the ability do to all things. It is usually accompanied by other attributes – Omnipresence and Omniscience. In more analytic terms, Omnipotence might be formulated as "X is Omnipotent iff, should X will a certain state-of-affairs Y, Y...

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That said, to keep things under relative control, a certain stipulation will be established: Only 4 threads tackling 1-A to High 1-A verses will be left open at any given time. And similarly, only 2 threads tackling Tier 0 upgrades will be left open at once. Exceed that limit, and the thread will be closed, added to the hub, and opened when we reach its place in the queue.

Good luck.

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Tally​

Tier 0

• https://vsbattles.com/threads/arceus-qualitative-upgrade.169764/
• https://vsbattles.com/threads/at-the-boundary-of-tier-0-swirl-of-the-root-tier-0-upgrade.169701/
• https://vsbattles.com/threads/krishna-shree-krishna-tv-show-tier-1-0-revision.169796/ - ON WAIT
• https://vsbattles.com/threads/god-tier-0-seekers-into-the-mystery.169802/ - ON WAIT

High 1-A

• https://vsbattles.com/threads/a-high-1-a-revision-star-maker-profile-revamp.169756/
• https://vsbattles.com/threads/the-dark-tower-high-1-a-upgrade.169780/

1-A

• https://vsbattles.com/threads/arceus-qualitative-upgrade.169764/
• https://vsbattles.com/threads/vampire-hunter-d-cosmology-upgrade-1-a.162642
• https://vsbattles.com/threads/warha...wanted-me-to-make-a-thread-to-be-sure.169768/
• https://vsbattles.com/threads/ergenverse-cosmology-re-evaluation.169769/
• https://vsbattles.com/threads/wiccan-upgrades.169771/ - ON WAIT
• https://vsbattles.com/threads/dungeons-and-dragons-1-a-high-1-a-justification-rewrite.169784/ - ON WAIT
• https://vsbattles.com/threads/huge-honkai-revisions-part-3.169799/ - ON WAIT
• https://vsbattles.com/threads/a-wild-last-boss-appeared-qualitative-upgrade.169770/ - ON WAIT
• https://vsbattles.com/threads/megaton-rainfall-1-a-upgrade.169800/ - OPEN DUE TO STRAIGHTFORWARDNESS

Tier 0

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Tier 0

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Tiering System

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Tier 0

joke-battles.fandom.com

We'll need to edit these category pages (and Joke Battles's Tier 0 description) as well by the way.

 

[LazyMortician]

God Tier 0 (Seekers into the Mystery)

Credits to @Shyouu for this CRT https://all-fiction-battles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Shyouu/Seekers_Into_The_Mystery_Explanation:_My_PhD_thesis_in_Hinduism But as mesmerizing as the movies themselves were, there was a deeper mystery I wanted to pierce: The mystery of the man who hovered...

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It's a thread that focuses only on God, but I think it could be more comprehensive. By the way, it is not necessary to create a separate key for The Magician or any avatar/aspect of God. Goofy had some moves in this regard, but there's really no need for that. Avatar is 0.

 

[GarrixianXD]

Tier 0

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Tier 0

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Tiering System

joke-battles.fandom.com

Tier 0

joke-battles.fandom.com

We'll need to edit these category pages (and Joke Battles's Tier 0 description) as well by the way.

I'm not sure about FCOC but JBW hasn't been updated with the VSBW standards for a very long time already, and not to mention the standards on JBW, especially the tiering system there works very differently. We don't really have strict standards set for much stuff anyway...

And respectfully, perhaps talk about this in the respective forums of JBW and FCOC since VSBW staff does not do any management on our sister wikis.

 

[Everything12]

I think this conversation shouldn't be had here. This is a general hub while this topic is about a single series and should be had in a thread about that series.

 

[VeryGoofyToddler2]

I think this conversation shouldn't be had here. This is a general hub while this topic is about a single series and should be had in a thread about that series.

Yeah, we’ll move it after that final post I made.

 

[RippleFrog]

Adding a Transformers revision for review to the waitlist, I am aware it will be locked due to the amount of 1A Submissions already being reached currently, I just wanted to provide the information ahead of time for consideration. I am still a bit unfamiliar with some of the system differentiations here, so I did not label it tier 1A or High 1A, but I believe it is going for at least 1A under this system.

Transformers Cosmology Revision / Unicron & Primus Qualitative Evaluation

A few years ago I made a previous thread, mostly focused on how Transformers used higher dimensions and such which resulted in the current standing of the series' strongest characters. Unfortunately, there was quite a lot of relatively obscure Transformers material I had yet to experience at...

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This was missed for the waitlist so just wanted to bring it up again. It’s long but I think it’s fairly straightforward 1A or maybe a little higher. Didnt know how to lock my own thread though.

 

[Ultima_Reality]

Yeah, escaped my eye, 'pologies. Added.

 

[LazerDim8000]

Why was Wiccan’s crt moved so low? He’s already High 1a. The only thing really needed is to evaluate if his R>F transcendence is genuine

 

[LazerDim8000]

first come first served

That makes no sense. The crt was first on the wait list with dnd being second

 

[Ultima_Reality]

Why was Wiccan’s crt moved so low? He’s already High 1a. The only thing really needed is to evaluate if his R>F transcendence is genuine

Largely because I have a lot of things to go over regarding Marvel's 1-A ratings, which would inevitably impact Wiccan. So I've put him underneath the relatively more straightforward threads.

 

[VeryGoofyToddler2]

Largely because I have a lot of things to go over regarding Marvel's 1-A ratings, which would inevitably impact Wiccan. So I've put him underneath the relatively more straightforward threads.

I could relieve you of that burden and I take over the matters regarding Marvel. You just you know, in return, agree with everything I say.

 

[Everything12]

I could relieve you of that burden and I take over the matters regarding Marvel. You just you know, in return, agree with everything I say.

Let's not clog up this thread with jokes. This is an important topic that is already full of off-topic posts.

 

[LazerDim8000]

Largely because I have a lot of things to go over regarding Marvel's 1-A ratings, which would inevitably impact Wiccan. So I've put him underneath the relatively more straightforward threads.

I see, that makes sense.

Are there any plans for the Elder Scrolls? Daedric princes are listed as examples of characters with BDE, and I’m guessing not much will change other than the ratings for the Daedric Princes, aetherius, the Dovahkiin, and Alduin ?

 

[BestMGQScalerEver]

queue please

She-Hulk 1-A 🔥 (MCU)

So K.E.V.I.N. should get 1-A for being in the real world that sees the world below as fiction as in the profile. You might be thinking "Doesn't She-Hulk break into real world out of her own power? Nah. There are sadly mechanics from the higher world in play here that allowed her to do so...

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[Rabbit2002]

Dragon Talisman - Upgrade to High 1-A

As the title of Thread. There are only two things that Ultima has accepted in two other threads: the BDE2 of "Non-Immortality" and "Non-Having-No Immortal" transcends the duality of "immortal" and "Non-Immortality"  Note 无不朽 = Non-Immortality/9th Deathless level (which can be translated to...

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[Jeeeeepil123]

Shadow Fight Upgrade That Should Have Been Done In The Past

Seeing this thread here have been gone quite over a month without any progress, i am deciding to make a new one in hope to gather more input (i also have more justification to strengthen the fact) I already created a cosmology pages for all of the arguments, the only thing is now to decide...

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Its Low 1-C because i made the thread before the new standard have been applied, can you check the thread if its qualified to have R>F T by any chance?

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

Arceus is accepted and applied as 1-A, should probably note that.

 

[RM97]

Add this one please:

Re:Creators CRT #2

Following the previous update #1, it is now time for another update to this verse. I would like to thank all the participating onsite and offsite members (Dereck03, Alonik, GreatIskander, Breakdown, Executor_N0, Birgi, and others) who have helped in creating and reviewing this CRT. I am linking...

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[DontTalkDT]

Does someone remember where we agreed to place "controlling/embodying all concepts"? I mean in the case where concepts refer to something like universals, to be clear. (Since I know we use the term loosely)
Just thinking about what to do with the more powerful concept manipulators

 

[Ben_CleverName]

Does someone remember where we agreed to place "controlling/embodying all concepts"? I mean in the case where concepts refer to something like universals, to be clear. (Since I know we use the term loosely)
Just thinking about what to do with the more powerful concept manipulators

Wouldn't "embodying all concepts" effectively work like transduality? I imagine it's not much different in practice. Either way, I imagine that'd be 1-A, since "all" should include dimensionality and spatiality as concepts if it's "all concepts" and not "all concepts as demonstrated to be a thing in the verse".

 

[Ben_CleverName]

Wouldn't "embodying all concepts" effectively work like transduality? I imagine it's not much different in practice. Either way, I imagine that'd be 1-A, since "all" should include dimensionality and spatiality as concepts if it's "all concepts" and not "all concepts as demonstrated to be a thing in the verse".

This reminds me, shouldn't "general" Nonduality in-practice grant characters 1-A at least, assuming they aren't the "Tier 0" type of nonduality? That seemed to be the direction that the revisions were heading, but the Nonduality page doesn't reflect that right now.

 

[DontTalkDT]

This reminds me, shouldn't "general" Nonduality in-practice grant characters 1-A at least, assuming they aren't the "Tier 0" type of nonduality? That seemed to be the direction that the revisions were heading, but the Nonduality page doesn't reflect that right now.

Nonduality definitely not. No superiority or power over things. Transduality? Maybe.
But then again, our nonduality page works on properties, not qualities, so arguably none of that reasoning is even applicable to it. It would need to be more in a Transquality direction lol

Wouldn't "embodying all concepts" effectively work like transduality? I imagine it's not much different in practice. Either way, I imagine that'd be 1-A, since "all" should include dimensionality and spatiality as concepts if it's "all concepts" and not "all concepts as demonstrated to be a thing in the verse".

Maybe. I could really see multiple ways to see it.
Like, if the universals govern logic, then they have qualitative power of "all possible worlds" due to defining what "possible" even means. And those are High 1-A+.
The Tier 0 description kinda hints at all possible "qualities" being represented by High 1-A+ and universals are something like qualities, so maybe that? Given how Monads are Tier 0 for lacking all qualities, being all qualities could be in a similar ballpark... maybe?
Then again, you could also argue that "all possible qualities" would not include meta-qualities and should hence default to baseline 1-A.