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Let's see how this goes:
Shūhei Hisagi vs Mori Hui
Rules
High 6-A versions of both characters, nothing that takes them over that tier.
Mindsets: Bloodlusted
Speed is Equalized
No Prep
No Knowledge
Gear: Everything
Win Conditions: Death
Location
Where Goku and Vegeta fought in the Saiyan Saga.
Reading through some of the posts here, I'm more swayed by DontTalk's argument for why Chimera should be favoured. So put me down as Chimera for the win here.
I think it's time to just go ahead with the changes Monarch. You've said all that you needed to, and the changes have generally been accepted. You're not going to get much more done other than make a new thread after filling this one up with debates with Weekly over already established points.
That's... not how it works though. People have seen it and accepted it more than people have disagreed. Ant has said ok, whether or not you care for how much his thoughts matter. Like this isn't something new for you, and I'm not seeing why you haven't really changed how you deal with not being...
It is completed though Weekly. Or as complete as something like this can be.
There's no harm in asking but here it's clearly just a way of stonewalling to prevent changes. I don't think that's acceptable on this wiki.
Honestly I haven't been that convinced by the evidence for anything beyond Tier 3 for the CC/DSs skinline. Only seems like the Dark Star is that strong.
And do you think Monarch os just going to take Assalt's word for it? Seriously, after everything in this thread? He ants actual proof to go through, not just someone's say-so.
I mean if it isn't there then why bring it up and use Assalt as your source now? I know they were deleted, I'm waiting to see if this has been stated elsewhere rather than on a deleted forum. So yes, the burden of proof is on you and Weekly, to show and prove your arguments.
I mean you still ned to show that quote though? Don't be like Weekly in repeating stuff and acting like you're right and the others are idiotic for not agreeing. And double standards still don't belong here, given that you've been repeating this as if it means anything without showing why.
That's irrelevant to the thread though? Other verses aren't being discussed here, and if you really care about them then you can make a thread for them. It's not like people have to be moving through time non-linearly just because they can perceive it that way.
No, you really haven't shown anything other than repeatedly insult Monarch's understanding of the lore in this thread and act like you're correct and that we must be stupid to not see what you're thinking. Even the quotes you've given after a long time don't really hold up to the standards being...
I mean you've just given stuff we've seen already and claimed that they totally answer what Monarch is asking, which doesn't hold up when examined closely.
So yeah, not exactly posting the evidence required to show that they deserve the 1-C rating rather than 3-C.
I don't think repeating stuff without evidence is what Monarch is asking for at all. Without the evidence, your arguments don't have much meaning and only show that you really don't want this to happen.
The Dark Star =/= The Dark Stars Champions/Cosmic Court Champions. It would be nice if you could stop making such ridiculous arguments and post what you claim is self-explanatory evidence.
Yes you can rule over people far stronger than you. Did you not read Marvel/DC comics, or BNHA? It happens all the time. Having control over a stronger character than yourself (through whatever means) isn't something impossible.
A little confused here. Do you mean that the DS God is weaker/stronger than the Corruptants, or just that the DS God has its own feat and doesn't scale to the Corruptants and vice versa?
The actual argument that is being proposed against Monarch is "Let's take X statement about the single strongest entity in LoL and act like everyone else scales to it while conveniently ignoring that other characters take more time to carry out far weaker feats and that they end up working...
Can't really agree with wildly extrapolating statements and repeating them as if they are supposed to be reasonable arguments. Monarch has the reasonable points and makes more sense.
That's your choice. No one is going to care if you stick to one thread only though Moritzva. Others have posted in both threads, so them not being able to find evidence that Monarch and HI3 want to see is only their problem. People can wait for evidence, though not for too long as that just...
Not really? All people need is evidence. Google, copy and paste links shouldn't be that much trouble. And it's not like Weekly is alone in both threads. People not contributing as much as him isn't his fault.
Overall, they share that, but the DS/CC stuff is specific to those iterations of the characters, while this is about LoL in general. I think discussion can be kept separate enough to justify 2 different threads.
One thread is about the Dark Stars/Cosmic Court specifically, this is about 5-D LoL stuff in general. Seems to be fairly separate in topic to justify separate threads.
You posted blogs that are currently being argued against, which I disagree with and believe to be stretching interpretations, and everything else you've said has been sourceless.
So no, you have not done so.
While the blogs are being debated, I don't think that should be used as an argument as...
At the very least, do find links to stuff not on the League of Legends boards that support the current ratings, as the boards have been deleted by Riot.
I mean Monarch is the only one who's bothered to do that in his OP, where he goes through the given justifications and lore and expressed his problems with using them as evidence for 1-C characters. And as far as I can see, it's not been disproven or shown how out of context the statements are.
Honestly gotta agree with Dargoo here. Even if that means stuff will be lower, it's still a lot better than just equating two different types of feats just for what feels right, rather than attempting a more reasonable evaluation.
Not seeing the point in bringing up a decided ban over and over again. He socked, got a reduced ban of 6 months for it, end of story. Not seeing the point of trying to reduce it, and at this point sort of leaves the realm of leniency and goes straight into personal bias to keep trying to reduce...
True, but would taking their thoughts into account over other non-staff like me who suggested the 9 months duration be better? I just didn't expect the sudden action considering SD and Monarch having such strong views and so far not posting since 2 days, when you asked for the reduction only 20...
You already reduced the duration before telling people about it. I'm not sure exactly what is going to change your mind given you seem set on it and have acted already without staff input.