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Drop a scan of Merlin's resistance to getting crushed instantly
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Tatsumaki (OPM) vs Merlin (NNT)
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No I'm not. I'm going off feats. She has used TK crush on monsters both thought based and with gesture. The former was not instant so why would i assume it suddenly is?
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That is not the same thing, unfortunately.
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Okay this guy is genuinely just trolling. He just posted scans of her doing TK with thoughts only.
Psychic power is based on the mind anyway. The hand gestures do not even matter. They are just for show.
I don't know why this is an argument. If this is seriously your best counter then please concede.
Psychic power is based on the mind anyway. The hand gestures do not even matter. They are just for show.
I don't know why this is an argument. If this is seriously your best counter then please concede.
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That's still not instant TK crush. Like do you think I'm doubting tats can use thought based TK.
You all are arguing for a specific thing. Instantly crushing someone down to the cellular level. Basically dangerously close to deconstruction.. now the only time I've seen this done instantly is with hand gesture.
When i see her use it with thought she has never once instantly crushed someone down to a cellular level..all I ask is for this scan
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Maybe someone said it is not me. Seems we have different opinions on this. I'm gonna drop my one vote for Merlin and move on
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Yeah, It's fully based on mind. Though sometimes they seem to control/coordinate the energy with their hands
anyway Tatsumaki FRA. or inconclusive?
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You think a hand gesture really means anything to the abilities of espers, which is literally controlling things with their mind (as shown countless time on this thread)? As I said, this is silly. I'm stopping answering until a worth counter argument is brought, not just "espers can't do something that involves only their mind without using their hands"
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This match is objectively a Tatsumaki victory.
The Merlin supporters already dug their own grave by providing multiple first moves for Merlin which the majority of are not instant win conditions. Thus she loses majority of the time to Tatsumaki's singular win condition.
It's not really debatable at this point. Merlin voters seem very clearly biased.
The Merlin supporters already dug their own grave by providing multiple first moves for Merlin which the majority of are not instant win conditions. Thus she loses majority of the time to Tatsumaki's singular win condition.
It's not really debatable at this point. Merlin voters seem very clearly biased.
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Tatsumaki FRA. Also Does anyone count the votes or?
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Merlin's BFR doesn't even surpass Tatsumaki's range. She's scales above her hyper-casual feats and Psykorochi's range due to having superior Psychic output. Merlin only scales also above her own calculations, which are 299 km, aka less than Tatsumaki's max range.
Her P&A state that her teleportation can send people to locations "thousands of miles distant," but it has no scans to support it so it doesn't actually apply to what she's able to do.
Her P&A state that her teleportation can send people to locations "thousands of miles distant," but it has no scans to support it so it doesn't actually apply to what she's able to do.
Recon1511
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Lots of bad faith arguments from the NNN side here, Tatsumaki just TK crushes her as its her first move idk what were all these mental gymnastics to pretend she doesn't for...
Also, hand movements? Really? It's apparent those are for the sake of flair these are mind powers ffs of course they're thought based.
Tatsu FRA if I wasn't clear
Also, hand movements? Really? It's apparent those are for the sake of flair these are mind powers ffs of course they're thought based.
Tatsu FRA if I wasn't clear
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We have brought up 1 wincons and 1 counter measure which is spammable BFR+ Infinity and Teleporting away constantly while prepping her next moves whilst teleporting
The first being a wincon she can’t escape and while Merlin can simply wait it out, the second instantly negates Tats wincon
I have already brought up Balor’s eye which I’m planning on responding to y’all last rebuttal which includes the likes of “she tries to…” which she doesn’t try to or “she doesn’t have enhanced senses” when on her profile she has extrasensory perception with a range of at least 299km
The first being a wincon she can’t escape and while Merlin can simply wait it out, the second instantly negates Tats wincon
I have already brought up Balor’s eye which I’m planning on responding to y’all last rebuttal which includes the likes of “she tries to…” which she doesn’t try to or “she doesn’t have enhanced senses” when on her profile she has extrasensory perception with a range of at least 299km
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Difference between range and being caught in an endless teleportation loop spell buddy.
Plus sba dictates that the battle takes place in Central Park. Is tats willing enough to use destructive range attacks potentially fatally harming people? Genuine question
Plus sba dictates that the battle takes place in Central Park. Is tats willing enough to use destructive range attacks potentially fatally harming people? Genuine question
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Tatsumaki - 9 (@Kachon123, @Phoenks, @Redcated, @Catbowtie, @JustANormalPerson01, @Arkansalter2, @The_man_with_the_Midas_touch, @MrTayman616, @Recon1511)
Merlin - 7 (@Makai641001, @speedster352, @karo_senpaii, @Majinere566, @TheRadiantSoul, @Shadow-Ragna, @Demon_Lord18)
Merlin - 7 (@Makai641001, @speedster352, @karo_senpaii, @Majinere566, @TheRadiantSoul, @Shadow-Ragna, @Demon_Lord18)
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Even if she's hit with the first teleportation, Tatsumaki would still land her hit before the second teleportation occurs due to Merlin still being within her range and the crushing being instant.
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Didn't we go over this? She just crushes her before being teleported
If to you this is a matter of who acts first then just vote incon but not for Merlin lol
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Wincon =/= First Move
You have discussed various first moves for Merlin. Not all of them are wincons.
I don't know how many times I have to say it.
Thought-based TK requires a thought-based win condition countermeasure, in order to get a draw.
So if Merlin does not use her thought-based win condition right off the bat 100% of the time, she loses the match.
If she does, it results in a draw, since Tatsumaki's first move stays the same 100% of the time.
What are you not understanding?
Let's say, for the sake of argument, that Merlin has 2 separate first moves. (You have discussed more than this but I want to keep it simple so you can understand)
1. She tries reading Tatsumaki's mind
2. She BFRs Tatsumaki to another dimension
Tatsumaki has 1 first move.
1. Thought-based TK crush
Let's run the data.
Reading Tatsumaki's mind VS Tatsumaki TK crush results in a Tatsumaki victory.
BFR to another dimension VS Thought-based TK crush is a drawn result since they are both thought based win conditions.
Thus, Tatsumaki wins a total of 75% of the time in this scenario.
Add on more Merlin first moves and the odds become more and more in Tatsumaki's favor.
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Tatsumaki - 10 (@Kachon123, @Phoenks, @Redcated, @Catbowtie, @JustANormalPerson01, @Arkansalter2, @The_man_with_the_Midas_touch, @MrTayman616, @Recon1511, @Epiccheev)
Merlin - 7 (@Makai641001, @speedster352, @karo_senpaii, @Majinere566, @TheRadiantSoul, @Shadow-Ragna, @Demon_Lord18)
Merlin - 7 (@Makai641001, @speedster352, @karo_senpaii, @Majinere566, @TheRadiantSoul, @Shadow-Ragna, @Demon_Lord18)
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Probably not, but we're approaching grace regardless
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You know what my rebuttal is gonna be long asf and I doubt yall don’t even wanna see that nor do I care enough to write it so I’m done.
My vote still remains with Merlin
My vote still remains with Merlin
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Why here? Lol
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LMAO didn't realize it. wanted to send it to OPM's
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Tatsumaki FRA
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Objectively wrong based on everything said so far.
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speedster352
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Merlin Teleportation is thought based also the thousands of kilometres comes from the fact that Vivian was sent to different time zones which is actually accepted by Byashura himself. Merlin teleportation can outpace faster opponents as shown with DK Zeldris as you can she with her reaction rating.
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Objectively wrong? Lmao
speedster352
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No one has addressed this you can’t just ignore something on a characters profiles just to vote for your character. Also Merlin has some healing beads so if she takes non life threatening injuries she can just heal herself.
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what im saying. Merlin literally also has “thought based” teleportation on top of precog being able to read Tats mind but apparently it’s objectively wrong
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Merlin has no precognition ability on her profile. So, please, do not give characters abilities they do not have
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Whatever passive mind reading via Balor’s eyes is called I really don’t care enough to continue this back and forth
speedster352
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We need a thread moderator at this point.!
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At this point I think we should add a standard tactics for every character in the wiki, to evade things like this thread, in which every of NNT supporters says that Merlin starts with an entirely different move.
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