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Arc System Works Discussion Thread 2

Probably a controversial take but Bridget literally has canonized Stockholm syndrome in strive with these retcons.
While I am not an expert on Guilty Gear, I should point out that someone is trying to make some serious allegations. User in question is a permabanned troll, and I'm pretty sure simply talking about ideas/theories of a fictional character is not bigotry. But I just wanted to make you aware; as I am pretty sure you didn't mean anything harmful.
 
While I am not an expert on Guilty Gear, I should point out that someone is trying to make some serious allegations. User in question is a permabanned troll, and I'm pretty sure simply talking about ideas/theories of a fictional character is not bigotry. But I just wanted to make you aware; as I am pretty sure you didn't mean anything harmful.
Man has the audacity to just waltz in demanding to be unbanned without giving any reason 😭

Anyways:
  1. Didn't know this place existed. Nice to know that it does
  2. Bridget discussions always end up going to shit so I don't wanna even
 
Yeah the Bridget discussion is something I never want to get into in.

But the retcon of certain things like Gear War and other stuff is something interesting to think about, but again I need to brush up on my Guilty Gear lore.

Also that dude is a troll with his words.
 
I've seen a bit of Senator Philips on twitter to know that this guys often acts in bad faith. Don't take it at face value.
I'm whatever about it at the end of the day. Changing the wiki won't change what's in strive.
Also, don't go using the word "bad faith" unless you know he's lying or spreading actual misinformation.
 
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finished reading the phase shift and spiral shift novels, pretty interesting overall (plus elaborates more on the nature of Nox Nyctores).
 
Wanted to point out with the new Slayer information, we now have more concrete ages for Nagoriyuki and by proxy Slayer. At least 683 years, also Slayer more than likely should get Photographic memory since he was able to remember Nagoriyuki drinking wine that long ago and is hinted to also know the exact amount of days.
 
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Judging by Slayer's Arcade Mode, Strive Slayer and Zato-1 may be concretely High 5-A. Nagoriyuki is unable to claim "easy victory" against Slayer (and Slayer also states the years have only made him stronger, meaning he's stronger than in Xrd, solidifying his higher scaling), and Zato-1 fought Slayer and was able to impress him, with him saying he enjoyed the fight
 
Judging by Slayer's Arcade Mode, Strive Slayer and Zato-1 may be concretely High 5-A. Nagoriyuki is unable to claim "easy victory" against Slayer (and Slayer also states the years have only made him stronger, meaning he's stronger than in Xrd, solidifying his higher scaling), and Zato-1 fought Slayer and was able to impress him, with him saying he enjoyed the fight
More accurately, Nagoriyuki claims that easy victory seems very far away, with him admitting later he knew he couldn't surpass Slayer. Which indicates that Slayer is still noticeable ahead of him despite Nagoriyuki's best attempts over the centuries
 
More accurately, Nagoriyuki claims that easy victory seems very far away, with him admitting later he knew he couldn't surpass Slayer. Which indicates that Slayer is still noticeable ahead of him despite Nagoriyuki's best attempts over the centuries
Yeah that's even more blatant lol
 
Yeah that's even more blatant lol
Zato's scaling is definitely more interesting since Slayer outright claims Zato is able to face his full power. While he still loses, this does mean he'd be comparable to, if not just stronger than, Bedman since Slayer is no longer rusty and by the new statements, stronger than ever. Meaning he's once again comparable/superior to Gabriel's beatdown of Bedman.
 
Zato's scaling is definitely more interesting since Slayer outright claims Zato is able to face his full power. While he still loses, this does mean he'd be comparable to, if not just stronger than, Bedman since Slayer is no longer rusty and by the new statements, stronger than ever. Meaning he's once again comparable/superior to Gabriel's beatdown of Bedman.
Poor Millia, she’s stuck in 7-B hell lmao, and she’s my Strive main too
 
More accurately, Nagoriyuki claims that easy victory seems very far away, with him admitting later he knew he couldn't surpass Slayer. Which indicates that Slayer is still noticeable ahead of him despite Nagoriyuki's best attempts over the centuries
Could you send me the scan where Nagoriyuki admits he knew he couldn't surpass Slayer?
 
Just noticed something that I don't think has been mentioned here, or anywhere else, involving the Nightless of Guilty Gear.

Happy Chaos during his flawless arcade mode: "Okay, let's simmer down a little. No need to get spicy. You know what demi-humans are, right? Vampires, werewolves, that sorta thing? Well, if you thought Gears were neat, get a load of this. Demi-humans transcend genetics, physics, and even time itself. Put plainly, their very existence is essentially a bug in our world's programming. Unlike you or me, they don't have IDs. They're the same existence across Independent Segments. And because of that, they subconsciously contain information about parallel universes. Meaning that demi-humans can act as terminals that allow us access to parallel worlds. Though obviously, as dwellers of infinite timelines, they need to downconvert to our simple definition of Planck time in order to exist in what we call "the real world." And heavens to Betsy does that make finding actionable information on them difficult. Like finding one particle of sand across the vastness of the universe. Did you know there was a guy named Bedman who managed to delete his own ID and became a multi-dimensional being? Anyway, that's where Nagoriyuki comes in. He wasn't born a demi-human. He became one. A hybrid, if you will. I can access different timelines by following little references in his old memories. Once I do that, the rest is simple.

This could add a bunch of general shit to them like acausality, higher dimensional existence, resistance to things manipulating biology, physics, and time, ect.

He has this long ass speech at the 2 minute mark, hell I could see people arguing that Slayer and Nago could have immeasurable speed in specific scenarios if the place they are fighting isn't in Planck time due to not needing to 'downconvert'
 
Hopefully the Guilty Gear anime will be amazing, and hopefully adapt it well.

And will not turn out like the horrible BlazBlue anime adaption (Seriously you combined CT and CS in 12 episodes?? What WERE YOU THINKING!?)
 
Probably a controversial take but Bridget literally has canonized Stockholm syndrome in strive with these retcons.
No, she doesn't have canonized Stockholm Syndrome, trying to add actual mental problems to something that doesn't have them at all is just really disrespectful to the actual victims of that problem, and sounds like you putting your headcanons as facts, also that guy that you posted is a troll that is incredibly transphobic and bigoted, and don't even care about the Guilty Gear franchise at all and just decided to introduce himself into the controversy because Bridget is not longer a femboy or a "trap", making it "femboy erasure", also that person believes that "all trans people and their communities are a bunch of pedos and groomers"
 
I was gonna comment on it but thank you for explaining my thoughts Zyur

Why are we still having Bridget discussions in 2024..... like move on bro.
 
No, she doesn't have canonized Stockholm Syndrome, trying to add actual mental problems to something that doesn't have them at all is just really disrespectful to the actual victims of that problem, and sounds like you putting your headcanons as facts,
That's a subjective point of view, which you haven't proved the contrary on why they don't have it.
also that guy that you posted is a troll that is incredibly transphobic and bigoted, and don't even care about the Guilty Gear franchise at all and just decided to introduce himself into the controversy because Bridget is not longer a femboy or a "trap", making it "femboy erasure", also that person believes that "all trans people and their communities are a bunch of pedos and groomers"
Literally the counter arguments I've seen are All just ad hominems that don't tackle his evidence to prove him wrong and just attack his character with any labeled dagger they can throw. Also, like a broken record "I'm not making a CRT/debate out this cause it's objectively pointless" it's not a big deal, y'all can handle it.
 
Me when I don’t know anything about gender dysphoria or transgender struggles so I make up stuff that invalidates them further and makes me sound like a jerk:
That's a subjective point of view, which you haven't proved the contrary on why they don't have it.

Literally the counter arguments I've seen are All just ad hominems that don't tackle his evidence to prove him wrong and just attack his character with any labeled dagger they can throw. Also, like a broken record "I'm not making a CRT/debate out this cause it's objectively pointless" it's not a big deal, y'all can handle it.
 
Me when I don’t know anything about gender dysphoria or transgender struggles so I make up stuff that invalidates them further and makes me sound like a jerk:


Says the person who doesn't know anything about guilty gear and just blindly accepts Ma representation slop that's about as organic as vegetable oil. Also take a lesson from Mr.Babu and don't rebuttal with immature behavior and quit while your ahead your practically the third most immature mod I've had the displeasure of dealing with.
 
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Says the person who doesn't know anything about guilty gear and just blindly accepts Ma representation slop that's. Also take a lesson from Mr.Babu and don't rebuttal with immature behavior and quit while your ahead.
Buddy, I’ve competed in tournaments since Rev2, I’ve won tournaments in strive and BlazBlue, and played with top players in +R. Out of all the people you could say knows nothing about guilty gear, I’m the worst person you could have picked.

Nothing you and whatever other transphobic grifters wanna say will convince me and other that Guilty Gear has fallen from grace and is now a “woke cashgrab that is corrupted by western ideals” or whatever rhetoric you like to spout.

So please, it’s 2024 let it go bruh.
 
Buddy, I’ve competed in tournaments since Rev2, I’ve won tournaments in strive and BlazBlue, and played with top players in +R. Out of all the people you could say knows nothing about guilty gear, I’m the worst person you could have picked.
Actually your the perfect person to pick cause I can ask maxillion dood on "what is raven's original home country" and he'd look at me with confusion even though he's a Professional player cause being good at the game is obviously mutually exclusive to knowing about lore.
Nothing you and whatever other transphobic grifters wanna say will convince me and other that Guilty Gear has fallen from grace and is now a “woke cashgrab that is corrupted by western ideals” or whatever rhetoric you like to spout.
Why strive floundering to Tekken with barely 3k players on steam and dipping every dry period.
So please, it’s 2024 let it go bruh.
It's current year, is old ass argument from 2016 put that " be progressive" rhetoric to rest that only works on actual grifters in a corner trying to be on the right side of history.
 
Actually your the perfect person to pick cause I can ask maxillion dood on "what is raven's original home country" and he'd look at me with confusion even though he's a Professional player cause being good at the game is obviously mutually exclusive to knowing about lore.
Hi there, lore enthusiast and writer hobbyist that's been into GG since literally XX (though I put more time into Isuka just because A.B.A's playstyle was more fun). Respectfully, you're talking a whole lot of nonsense and are genuinely incapable of understanding how recontextualization works in writing. Absolutely nothing about Bridget's character has been changed like how you're claiming, no matter how much you whine and complain about it.

Nothing about the character's arc is taken away by her being trans, and if you actually cared about the character, you'd care more about how her missing sibling subplot just seemingly vanished into thin air (unless there's an audio CD like the Slayer ones that I've missed that covers that). With how many interesting bits and pieces of lore get added with the newer entries, you'd think fans of GG's story would be talking about worldbuilding or the anime announcement a lot more. Instead, y'all want to yap about a character's gender identity that everyone including Word of God has covered and explained for you.

Why strive floundering to Tekken with barely 3k players on steam and dipping every dry period.
Using steam charts is such a joke, especially for fighting games.
It's current year, is old ass argument from 2016 put that " be progressive" rhetoric to rest that only works on actual grifters in a corner trying to be on the right side of history.
So many words, yet nothing of value was said. The fact remains that people like you are still making nonsensical claims and complaints about a single character's arcade route, years after the fact.
 
What does everyone here think of that "BlazBlue Debunk" that was making the rounds a little bit ago?
You mean that Google doc debunk glass keeps saying he debunks like it's a annoying holiday. I've seen it and agree with some of it, but I won't say why cause I don't really care to get in an another argument.
 
Nothing about the character's arc is taken away by her being trans, and if you actually cared about the character, you'd care more about how her missing sibling subplot just seemingly vanished into thin air (unless there's an audio CD like the Slayer ones that I've missed that covers that). With how many interesting bits and pieces of lore get added with the newer entries, you'd think fans of GG's story would be talking about worldbuilding or the anime announcement a lot more. Instead, y'all want to yap about a character's gender identity that everyone including Word of God has covered and explained for you.
Oh wow you mean the storyline daisuke ishwatari dumped into the trashcan along with all of venoms stories where he dies fighting zato-1, or gets possessed by Eddie, or seals slayer in a coffin which all conveniently gets tossed aside and "recontextualized" in his obvious soft reboot to erase most of the Sammy/Sega era of Guilty Gear out. How Am I supposed to take a author seriously when he doesn't respect his own story to follow through on it. Also wild you somehow bring up the lost brother story Arc that most of the pro trans Bridget people bury that under the noncanon excuse cause Bridget in the Japanese uses the word "Boku" a male pronoun in Japanese which definitely doesn't fit your narrative.
Using steam charts is such a joke, especially for fighting games.
If using objective charts and numbers is a joke what's the punchline, cause I've actually talked with real people who play this game and they say there's not a lot of people playing it. And yes, fighting games have offline communities on console which more people **** with Xrd than strive with slow combos.
So many words, yet nothing of value was said.
That's some mighty strong projection there
The fact remains that people like you are still making nonsensical claims and complaints about a single character's arcade route, years after the fact.
And the fact we still got people like you who let the inch be taken before you lose a mile for years with no end still surprises me to this day.
 
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If using objective charts and numbers is a joke what's the punchline, cause I've actually talked with real people who play this game and they say there's not a lot of people playing it. And yes, fighting games have offline communities on console which more people **** with Xrd than strive with slow combos.
Wow, you must talk with people who never use the internet or interact with the FGC if you think there's not a lot of people playing strive when these are the numbers they pull for major tournaments.
How about we use some nice old stats then
EVO 2023: 2000+ entrants
Combo Breaker 2022: 1,061 Entrants with the TO even noting "GGST alone has more registrants than CB2015 had total players registered." it was also one of the few games to become a 4 digit entrance game at Combo Breaker.
I could go on if you'd like.

Oh, what's this? Guilty Gear Strive is the best-selling guilty gear!? But no... nobody plays this game, my friend told me so! A game that has rivaled and continues to rival SF6 and Tekken 8 in viewership numbers and relevance within the fighting game and anime community!

Buddy, these offline communities you've seemed to tout barely even run Guilty Gear Xrd as a main game at their events. I'd have to show my TOs 10 people if they wanted me to run a Xrd bracket at my local.

So quit while you're behind, and don't talk like you know something about a topic you know nothing about.
 
My point exactly, put apparently nobody plays it Clover....... It's a dead game and Xrd has overthrown it!
Regardless of people's thoughts on one or the other, Strive is undeniably more popular. Xrd is probably more liked in the hardcore competitive scene because of how simplified Strive is, but Strive by far has more mass appeal

And even in the competitive scene, Xrd's tournaments gain much less traction than Strive's
 
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