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Dragon Ball Super Discussion Thread 100
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Question. Wouldn’t removing the hypothetical multiplier scaling from Kaioken and Oozaru also axe hypothetical stats from downscaling/upscaling SSJ? I see no reason to assume different between the three when they’re all treated identically.
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The only thing being axed is using multipliers for power levels linearly, that's how we got KKx10 Namek Goku over First Form Frieza, that's how we downscaled the characters from Frieza's feat
The SSJ scaling does not use power levels to upscale or downscale, only the multiplier itself, and so will Kaio-ken and Oozaru from now on
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KKx10 Namek Goku (Pre-Zenkai) would be over First Form Frieza, though. Like, there’s absolutely nothing wrong with that conceptually, as far as I know. At least based on actual in series logic. The issue stems from our own tier listings and classification, (like how SSG has a multiplier, even if unknown, to make someone at BoG’s Goku Solar System-MSS self a Uni+ threat. Which makes no sense numerically/based on our own system, because that distance is literally multiple infinities.)
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There's nothing wrong with that conceptually, but you can't actually prove that without making the multipliers with power levels linear. Otherwise First Form Frieza is above him due to his feat of blowing up planet vegeta being far above anything in the saiyan saga even with the multipliers
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On the DBH special ki page, it says that dark factor users resist vector manipulation from time power users but vector manipulation isn’t on the time power page and if iirc was removed a while ago. Did someone forget to remove it?
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I do remember vector manipulation being agreed to stay but I'm not sure why it was removed. I'm also not sure why no one addressed this either, I planned on making this known but I was new at the time and didn't know how I should address it. Recently planned on reporting this issue but I don't know his intentions so I can't be certain he did it on purpose. I believe theglassman12 handled that CRT too.
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There’s likely not any malicious intent here, just an oversight or misunderstanding. Glass isn’t the type of person to do that anyways.
Adding on to this though, the time scrolls on their page have type two info manip supposedly derived from time power even though that same crt managed to remove it
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I lowkey think I'm gonna check out of the site until Daima comes back because shit as been boring af
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So long gay Bowser
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I will follow you, come back as soon as there is an update for cosmology, let there be mentions of the Universe being infinite
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“The Demon Realm is a universe in size!”
“Oh, okay.” Goku pauses. “How big is that?”
“INFINITE IN SIZE AND FULL OF AN INFINITE NUMBER OF INFINITELY SPATIALLY TRANSCENDENT DIMENSIONS.”
And every Dragon Ball powerscaler then ascended into Godhood and sang We Gotta Power as they got the super duper ultra brainrot scaling they’d been waiting for since they heard Superman beats Goku (he still beats Goku).
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It's the Dragon Ball fan version of "YOU GOT THE TOUCH"
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I don't get this tbh
Kaioken multiplies your power level by a set amount, that's how it works, 90,000x 10 is....900,000
Or are you implying kaioken does not take his power level to 900,000 when multiplied by 10?
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Okay, but what does that make Blizzard? I need to know for Dragon Ball Legends purposes.
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Nah, I just think it’s funny how sometimes people approach powerscaling as a “how high can I make the characters look/be,” kind of angle. Currently, I don’t feel like there should be any real changes to Dragon Ball’s listings (except changing Damage’s interpretation of the Manga, since I feel like the overwhelming amount of evidence of the power absorption happening in the other continuities, as well as it being Toriyama’s intent as discussed in interview, should act as more than enough evidence to say the event happened since the manga compresses the entire film into a 4 chapter abridged retelling. That said, I also don’t think there’s substantial in-manga evidence for it, so I don’t think he’s wrong in any conceivable way, I just disagree on the conclusion based on the different ways we approach the series.)
I approach powerscaling more to get an accurate and evaluated understanding of character power and the fun notion of comparing characters/putting them in scenarios that test them based on their displayed abilities. (So say, Naruto V Luffy, or Batman and Spider-Man swap antagonists/Rogues.) I’m not saying it’s bad to inherently approach characters with the sense of “how much can I take them,” because I think that also serves a vital purpose/function in discovery and reinterpreting and re-analyzing information. It also helps establish areas of logic you know are wrong to help you avoid that and stick to a more accurate path. And sometimes it’s just plain fun. But it is always funny to me, because I don’t really hope a new feat happens. I just engage and enjoy the story first and then analyze after. Maybe it’s just me, though.
Fezzih_007
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He time travel to the future.
Like Dio stand
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Lmao im trolling, i just want chaos
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Ironically, intentionally or not, their answer fits the troll.
“He Time Travel to the Future,” (Diavolo), “JUST LIKE DIO.” (Time STOPPER.) It’s either a great subtle joke (because it both highlights the multi-ability of Time Skip, is contradictory, like Time Skip, etc.) or accidental genius.
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That's as the intention actually, I did have another joke to make a combo If he asked "what?" But he din't.
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This implies the original King Crimson rant isn’t accurate.
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King Crimson is explained perfectly fine. The issue is that, (like Hit), what we see is directly contradicted to the ability’s description.
This video goes over it perfectly.
That’s not to say you couldn’t figure out how to make sense of it, but most of that would be headcanoning an explanation where there wasn’t one.
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Hey, I tried to create a rework on Salza's page (which as you can see on Stamina, is outdated)
I would just like to have your opinion on whether there are any errors or other disturbing things.
Current profile: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Salza
Rework: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User:FrolzeurX/Sandbox1
I would just like to have your opinion on whether there are any errors or other disturbing things.
Current profile: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Salza
Rework: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User:FrolzeurX/Sandbox1
BlastX
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You should reword his AP description to say "defeated Gohan and Krillin easily" because the way it's worded gives the wrong impression.
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I replaced with "Superior to Gohan and Krillin"
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\> "Super Saiyan Full Power" is not this article's official English name, it is used as there is currently no official translation or suitable name.
\> This form features the same Japanese name as Broly's green-haired form (超サイヤ人フルパワー) which is translated as "Full Power Super Saiyan" in Dragon Ball Xenoverse 2, or "Super Saiyan Full Power" on the Dragon Ball Official Site.
Classic Dragon Ball Wiki.
\> This form features the same Japanese name as Broly's green-haired form (超サイヤ人フルパワー) which is translated as "Full Power Super Saiyan" in Dragon Ball Xenoverse 2, or "Super Saiyan Full Power" on the Dragon Ball Official Site.
Classic Dragon Ball Wiki.
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If Frieza said something like, "I power grows more distant the more I transform", would that be grounds for Third Form being x2+ his Second Form?
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You know, this is only tangentially related, but I always found it interesting we never got a PL for his 3rd Form.
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Also, I’d say no. While Frieza’s power level certainly doubled, we’ve just axed any hypothetical (objectively correct but don’t match the Tiering System’s Gaps), battle powers. Though, I wouldn’t even consider Frieza apart of that list in general. Kaioken, Oozaru, and SSJ have consistent power level applications. (Kid Goku’s PL, Kaioken’s PLs throughout Saiyan and Namek Sagas, Goku’s Namek Saga PL as a SSJ, Goku’s Kili rating in Buu Saga), etc. etc. Frieza’s just kind of goes up and I don’t think it was ever stated his forms have that same linearity affect, which we specifically need because they straight up aren’t linear.
Edit: Speaking of the Kili, I think it should be used to downgrade Yakon’s Tier. Goku as a SSJ was suppressing himself to his Namek Saga strength (if you take the V-Jump statement of 1 Kili = 50K PL/BP, with an Kili Level of 3K = 150M PL/BP) and was far, far superior to the guy. He only forced Goku to go SSJ2 because he eats Light/Ki (strength), and given he was immediately killed when that happened, I think you could reasonably deduce that Namek Saga Goku’s strength is where Yakon’s absorption soft caps. Especially because the Dabura and Babidi confidence scaling scan is totally wrong, as they ONLY referred to the “Earthlings,” (Saiyans).
Edit: Speaking of the Kili, I think it should be used to downgrade Yakon’s Tier. Goku as a SSJ was suppressing himself to his Namek Saga strength (if you take the V-Jump statement of 1 Kili = 50K PL/BP, with an Kili Level of 3K = 150M PL/BP) and was far, far superior to the guy. He only forced Goku to go SSJ2 because he eats Light/Ki (strength), and given he was immediately killed when that happened, I think you could reasonably deduce that Namek Saga Goku’s strength is where Yakon’s absorption soft caps. Especially because the Dabura and Babidi confidence scaling scan is totally wrong, as they ONLY referred to the “Earthlings,” (Saiyans).
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Why, though?
What supplements V-Jump here?
Except, the Supreme Kai could all defeat Frieza in a single blow, and Yakon presented a legitimate threat to Shin.
Also, Goku powered up as a Super Saiyan, and Yakon could steal absorb his energy. He only died after Goku entered Super Saiyan 2.
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I did say if.
No, they only referred to the Earthlings in the confidence scan. This is more apparent, because Shin was to be spared by Yakon.
I said soft cap because of that very reason. If you take V-Jump as accurate, he absorbed about Namek Saga SSJ Goku’s consistently, but when Goku went SSJ2 (doubled) his power, Yakon exploded. Thus, it is a soft cap. You can reasonably estimate that somewhere near this level is what he can absorb, since we know for a fact it’s not infinite.
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His scaling isn't just from Babidi's confidence, it's also from Shin himself fearing Yakon and urging all four of them to fight together to stand a chance.
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"Smurfing through time" A Dragon Ball Super upgrade
Good day my fellow dragon ball wankers So as we know in u6 vs u7 arc in dragon ball super the tournament was held in a place call neutral space or dimension in both anime and manga which is a space that holds all the macrocosms So here comes the scaling part hit is able to use his time...
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We do know it's lower than 1.2 Million PL because that's 1% of his True Power AKA his Final Form at base.
Nullflowerblush
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Y'know, given Goku's Kili of 3000 and Yakon's Kili of 800 are directly compared, would downscaling Yakon from Goku be allowed?
Or, do I, again, need proof that the two are being compared specifically linearly?
Or, do I, again, need proof that the two are being compared specifically linearly?
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Wouldn’t it necessarily be higher? His Second Form (as in the order we see it/named in games, not taking into account his forms work in reverse as limiters), had a power level of over 1 Million. How much over is uncertain, but over it.
Considering that was that form’s impressive benchmark (being literally about 1% of Frieza’s power), the Third Form should be substantially higher, no?
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