- 4,108
- 3,129
Mohammad Ali vs this Naoya who winsdude the average punch speed of an MMA fighter is 18,01 m/s are you really gonna claim that mr 24 times amp to speed is not even twice the average? Like really?
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Mohammad Ali vs this Naoya who winsdude the average punch speed of an MMA fighter is 18,01 m/s are you really gonna claim that mr 24 times amp to speed is not even twice the average? Like really?
Jokes he says.... as if Sub rel Toji, and FTL purple weren't being calced and argued just three years agono one is trying MHS+ or rel, those where more so jokes
Ali outskills Naoya and since Naoya does not have even a two times speed difference he can't blizt so he gets his ass handed to himMohammad Ali vs this Naoya who wins
Naoya makes 24 movements every second.No evidence of this
It's not even just a single calc. it's the case for any punch baragge with projection jujutsu, which by lore happens in the series. in order to be, let's say 100% the speed of sound with a baragge of punches, each punch needs to cross 14 meters. This doesn't happen because Naoya and Naobito aren't that tall. In fact, now that I think about it the reason Naobito was faster than Naoya was probably that he's taller since it would allow him to cross more distance with each movement, though this might be too headcanon.Furthermore, let's assume it is the case it's a punch per 0.042 seconds, you'd be disregarding NUMEROUS accepted calcs and feats for sub-Toji tiers being above superhuman speeds for the sake of a single calc?
dude some people argued for Rel bullets in another verse, there are always gonna be weird fellas, the main meta is.Jokes he says.... as if Sub rel Toji, and FTL purple weren't being calced and argued just three years ago
Respectable. Now wheres your meta on powerdude some people argued for Rel bullets in another verse, there are always gonna be weird fellas, the main meta is.
low tiers: superhuman to low sub
mid tiers: sub to sub+
top tiers: sub+ to supersonic+
god tiers: hypersonic to hypersonic+
Naoya makes 24 movements every second.
Maki was punching each movement, and if you count the number of punches he was making, it matches up with what she was counting at the time
- This explains why once he makes a movement, he needs to use a long-ass distance to correct his course, because the maximum distance he can cross in every movement is 343 m/s * (1/24) s or 14.29 meters
When projection sorcery is explained in Shibuya, it's explained that you have to pre-trace movements in 24fps:
- This is why it makes sense that when someone wants to move super fast, they use longer movements to still abide by the 24fps rule. Throwing 25 punches in 1 second doesn't abide by that 24fps rule. Neither does 1000 punches per second
Consistent with how long he moves each time:
- Like, yeah, just eyeballing the distance he moved once he slapped Maki, it looks like he moved 7 meters behind her and was moving 7 meters back, and all of that would fit into the 24fps rule
It's not even just a single calc. it's the case for any punch baragge with projection jujutsu, which by lore happens in the series. in order to be, let's say 100% the speed of sound with a baragge of punches, each punch needs to cross 14 meters. This doesn't happen because Naoya and Naobito aren't that tall. In fact, now that I think about it the reason Naobito was faster than Naoya was probably that he's taller since it would allow him to cross more distance with each movement, though this might be too headcanon.
oh an btw a kick from a professional fighter comes out to around 27 m/sMohammad Ali vs this Naoya who wins
It's never been a 24 times amp. Also the reaction times for the MMA fighters are still around .2 - .1 seconds, and considering how long it takes for them to accelerate to that speed because they're just humans at the end of the day, it's entirely reasonable.dude the average punch speed of an MMA fighter is 11,01 m/s are you really gonna claim that mr 24 times amp to speed is barely 3 times the average? Like really?
Your consistency argument doesn't work because I already adressed the counters. Someone can physically push themselves to move faster than they can react in 1 meter (combat speed definition), while having speeds below that.yea I already precogged this response and wrote a debunk
This is the peak speed of said professional fighters though. It doesn't work out for their average speed, which is way lower. Also again, not my fault that Gege made it so that someone who's super fast animates their movement in a frame rate where even gaming is hard for normal humans.oh an btw a kick from a professional fighter comes out to around 27 m/s
Naoya is barely kick speed confirmed.
24 movements in a single second, 24 punches, in a single second. MY MAN! THAT IS NOT 33 M/S STOP WITH THE SPEED BRAIN ROT FOR THE LOVE OF GOD!It's never been a 24 times amp. Also the reaction times for the MMA fighters are still around .2 - .1 seconds, and considering how long it takes for them to accelerate to that speed because they're just humans at the end of the day, it's entirely reasonable.
Look how I didn't claim 24 m/s in the calc. I was generous and arrived at around 33. I don't agree that it'd just be one meter for Naoya's punches here because he's moving from extending his arm completely to moving his fist to his left shoulder hereNaoya making 24 moves in a second ≠ he is only moving 24m/s
Dude, to punch twice it's at least two movements. To do that in 2 / 24ths of a second, or 1/12th of a second, and move super fsat you need to move a huge distance. if you're physically static, just punching from moving your shoulder it's not gonna be fastIdk where these people getting moves = Meters![]()
eeehhhRespectable. Now wheres your meta on power
This doesn't address it at all.Your consistency argument doesn't work because I already adressed the counters. Someone can physically push themselves to move faster than they can react in 1 meter (combat speed definition), while having speeds below that.
This is literally what that means, and we're shown this by Maki's counting bro.This doesn't address it at all.
Your entire response was presupposing that by them having 24fps movement that must mean each punch is registered as it's own separate "movement" and therefore bound by fps, but you could never prove that it doesn't consider 20 punches a separate movement. Then your argument where you counted the punches, you literally just miscounted, there's blurred fists on the screen which you just neglected to make it seem like Maki was counting the punches lmfaooo
based. Glad no ones still on that island level scalingeeehhh
low tiers: small building level to building level
mid tiers: large building level to City block level
top tiers: Multi city block to small town
God tiers: small city to city level.
eeehhhhIf Yuji does use a domain expansion eventually. What you think its power would be and what would it look like?
how are you defining "1 movement"? Show scans of the series ever defining the limits of what can be considered a singular movement, because it never does. "1 movement" is incredibly vague and can be used to prescribe any value of distance travelled, there's not a hard line here which demands us to think 1 punch = 1 movement.This is literally what that means, and we're shown this by Maki's counting bro.
20 punches are more than 1 movement, so it can't possibly be more than 1 punch in each 1/24th of a second interval
eh Island level is high ball(borderline wank) for god tiers (you can make arguments due that earthquake feat although again not as consistent)based. Glad no ones still on that island level scaling
It would just be either Blood Manipulation based with an endless amount of blood to draw from to further facilitate blood manipulation or based in malevolent shrine which I honestly don't know for how Yuji would focus his domain to be more his than Sukuna's in that case.If Yuji does use a domain expansion eventually. What you think its power would be and what would it look like?
how are you defining "1 movement"? Show scans of the series ever defining the limits of what can be considered a singular movement, because it never does. "1 movement" is incredibly vague and can be used to prescribe any value of distance travelled, there's not a hard line here which demands us to think 1 punch = 1 movement.
It's literally explained in my post. Maki says 24 movements. 20 movements (punches) in 1/24th of a second is more than what's allowed.
Because moving your arm out and in several times doesn't contradiction the boundaries of "one movement" as there's no definition or limit to what's considered "one movement" in verse.How are you gonna claim that 20 punches would count as one movemnet when you need to move forwards and retract your arm, and that needs to be traced by each frame.
I’m not, never been, and never will be a JJK debater. I discuss it unseriously because it’s fun to somewhat be a part of the JJK community as it’s still ongoing, and it’s something where the entire community joins together to read leaks and whatnot, while bleach is a seasonal series right now.I thought Guaca was so cool when he only did Bleach, but these JJK discussions revelead him as a fraud
In a single Movement you can move several meters.What else was Maki talking about with those numbers anyway?
Yuji should learn Blood Bending and its GG for Sukuna.It would just be either Blood Manipulation based with an endless amount of blood to draw from to further facilitate blood manipulation or based in malevolent shrine which I honestly don't know for how Yuji would focus his domain to be more his than Sukuna's in that case.
I never disagreed with this btw, because obviously it’s objective that using projection sorcery, he can move at transonic speeds. I just explained how each frame would have to be like 14+ meters away. You can’t be moving transonic and have each frame be 1 meter away from each other, or something like that. Considering this, in order to punch someone at transonic speeds with projection sorcery you need to be running while you punchIn a single Movement you can move several meters.
24 movements ≠ 24 meters.
Bleach scaling tends to be sure of itself with all the more blatant supernatural feats being done and the characters tend to represent this as though what's happening is all wondrous in nature. Looking at it outside of the verse, it makes sense a lot of JJK scaling is all over the place, Gege makes so many feats happen that collide with others, and makes statements that end up putting down the verse. And when he wants to display his god tiers as superior, its never through insane feats, its usually through superior skill feats or better cursed techniques.I thought Guaca was so cool when he only did Bleach, but these JJK discussions revelead him as a fraud
Bleach scaling is a lot more straight forward because there stronger = higher AP, and bottom tiers to top tiers are literally heaven to earth away, and it’s constantly portrayed that there’s basically an impossible to cross barrier between low tiers and top tiers.Bleach scaling tends to be sure of itself with all the more blatant supernatural feats being done and the characters tend to represent this as though what's happening is all wondrous in nature. Looking at it outside of the verse, it makes sense a lot of JJK scaling is all over the place, Gege makes so many feats happen that collide with others, and makes statements that end up putting down the verse. And when he wants to display his god tiers as superior, its never through insane feats, its usually through superior skill feats or better cursed techniques.
Yeah mach 3 was just random considering how Naoya's ability works, I was hoping he'd do some cool fps concepts. I think a major aspect Gege should've added was a group that was simply superior, instead we have special grade curses who can lose to first grades, and special grade sorcerers end up doing nothing in terms of feats till the later half of the series and when they do its nothing amazing. And then removing his special grades sorcerers for most of the series to only show us Gojo and Sukuna, didn't help in representing them as a group either. Imagine if the Espada were kept lowkey and then its just Kenpachi or Mayuri who kill most of them off like Gege did with Yuki or Geto.Bleach scaling is a lot more straight forward because there stronger = higher AP, and bottom tiers to top tiers are literally heaven to earth away, and it’s constantly portrayed that there’s basically an impossible to cross barrier between low tiers and top tiers.
A lieutenant class character from the soul society arc can’t even react to or harm someone that’s captain level. They get their swords cut through with bare handed attacks and they get blitzed to the point where they can’t even tell what happened. Then thats chained like 30 times over with stated multipliers and consistently portrayed inverse scaling… just to reach base Aizen tier, with the god tiers shaking the universe itself and no one with anti feats having anything near their level
In JJK, it’s not as layered, and high-tier hyped feats are Mach 3, and you have to work around stuff like below Mach 3 speeds blitzing people who aren’t that drastically slower than other things, in a seemingly contradictory way. Also there’s less guidebooks and it’s not finished yet. The powercliffing in general isn't that insane. Yuji doesn't grow like Ichigo does. In one arc, in the span of a few hours, Ichigo grows insanely quantifiably stronger. Let's say the equivalent of growing from a grade 3 sorcerer to like Kenjaku level, while Yuji goes from grade 1 level in the Mahito arc to exactly grade 1 level in Shibuya. Ichigo goes from tier 6 and fighting privaron espadas to above shaking the universe itself in literally 3 months of training.
What happened to Rel+Lets all agree Gojo and Sukuna are above Mach 3, definitely in the hypersonic to hypersonic+ range, likely high hypersonic, capable of mhs reactions, but NOT anything more.
FanfictionWhat happened to Rel+
Already rejected.What happened to Rel+
How do I fall for this twice
False, we need Rel+ JJK to be realFanfiction