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Dragon Ball Super Discussion Thread 100
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I got a question, if the KHH compresses ki and increases it's output beyond their normal state that way why would Cell scale to it?
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He wouldn't - not directly - which is why the CRT was made.
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Oh yeah I agree with the CRT, the question was more so directed towards the people complaining and saying he should scale. I don't see how he scales
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He doesn't
Maybe you should re-read that thread, the issue was the claim that he would be thousands of times lesser despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary
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Akira Toriyama's influence is so great that it even affects other works such as Mr. Zombie's Manhua
Tori-Bot is omnipresent even in our reality and affecting other works
Tori-Bot is omnipresent even in our reality and affecting other works
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Let´s be honest, almost every single comic book (manga, manhua, western comic books and etc) artist that came after Toryiama was influenced by him
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Honestly, if these Kamehameha things have a potential greater than the user's own ki it will be chaos, there's already someone inventing fashion
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https://ibb.co/Rch8X3Q "Lethal Technique Garlic-ho Similar to the kamehame-ha, it is Vegeta’s lethal technique. The beam of energy that he releases from his hands can destroy a planet the size of the Earth.” Source: El manga Legendario It's a quick debunk, since it's clear that Vegeta's Galic...
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I have a question, in the manga, while Goku and Vegeta were in their Base Forms, their combination of Kamehameha and Gamma Burst Flash warped the World of Void and changed its color, shouldn't it gave them new justifications, upgrades and abilities by the end of the Universe Survival Saga? Since they were capable of performing a feat that their previous CSSB states prior to likely/possibly breaking limits were unable to do despite them fighting at full power.
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I don't get what you're saying here.
I've read it, and there is no evidence. A majority of the evidence is people just complaining about the change going through.
The only example of the KHH being a small boost is in the Saiyan saga, and even then the context of the scene is ignored. The KHH doesn't sightly multiply the output of ones ki via a multiplier, it gathers their ki and concentrate it which drastically increases the output of their attack. That number can grow higher if more ki is being concentrated.
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I believe it is a much better feat
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I said cell doesn't scale to his Kamehameha, not sure what you don't get
Really? Well then agree to disagree, if that's all you saw
Ironic, this is actually the largest boost we saw from a Kamehameha up until the cell arc, a 2.22x multiplier
No one said it slightly increases, normal anyo say it doesn't upscale from the user's normal stats, but that it has never ever brought out thousands of times more power than what the user is capable of and just assuming that cell's Kamehameha, which is termed as a basic Kamehameha does that out of the blue with no evidence, was wrong
I am not interested in going through this again anyway
So this is the last I'll say on it
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They were in base when they did this? Are you sure? Wasn't this when Jiren broke his limit on them?
Edit: looking at it again, it just seems that they lit up the area, the color came back after the beams had dissipated I believe
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I read the chapter 42 colorized not too long ago, and yes, the feat was performed by both Goku and Vegeta in their Base states, you can read the colored chapter to confirm if you want, this was after Goku's PUI ran out after fighting a full power Jiren
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This crt was a total blast
Bro straight up annihilated him damn XD this is like Beerus Hakaing Zamasu XD
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It just seemed out of place, you implied with the other statement that I was wrong in disagreeing with the people who argued against the CRT, hence the confusion. Do you agree or not is what I didn't understand.
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Which is irrelevant because the attack isn't a static multiplier, it's compressing ki into a single point which boosts the power, this number can change depending on how much energy is put into it, someone being vastly stronger than this version of Goku having a higher boost when concentrating their ki isn't dumbfounded.
This argument doesn't work because the KHH never had an established multiplier nor is there anything indicating that it cannot grow beyond 2.2x. The technique takes ki, compress/concentrates it into a small point then releases it as an explosive blast. It's not unreasonable to assume that someone at that level has a higher boost from the KHH when using it.
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Damn didn't get the notification again missed a lot of things
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Was a fun flash back to that Hypertimelines debacle.
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Add narrator being non credible to
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"KHH increases the user's powerh. Thus I'll assume this one KHH with no shred of evidence, boosts this particular user by several thousand times ...just because...."
if you don't see anything wrong here
Good for you
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I remember, don't get me started.
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It would be difficult to deny it, since there are even Toei stating on its website that Goku would bring the entire Universe to nothing
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Read the chapter 42 colorized on all possible sites, you will see in all of them that after Goku and Vegeta's combined Gamma Burst Flash and Kamehameha, you can see better how the World of Void's original color, green, becames bluish purple after the combination of attacks from these two and remained permanently with this color until the end of the Tournament of Power.
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It's funny because we already kinda do that with Roshi lol
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In Roshi's case, he could only do that on his MAX form, and he couldn't do anything else, couldn't fight with it or do.... anything else, he literally just used that fork to fire a KHH and then it gasses out, literally. His case is quite justified, there's nothing to scale it to
I mean, if they did permanently change the color, then you may have a case
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Don t strawman me, I never implied that. The manga and the guidebooks support that the multiplier isn't static and can increase. It's method of increasing power literally makes it to where something like Cell is possible.
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There is a limit to what you can assume though. Precedence makes multipliers of 2, 3, etc reasonable and very accetable. But a multipler of thousands is different.
Very little in Dragon Ball multiplies power by thousands of times till Super (or Toei stuff) making it a stretch to say the least.
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Real talk, what would it take for God Fusion Goku to qualify for Ultima's R>F?
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This feels more roundabout than just saying Gohan's barely charged Kamehameha = Solar Kamehameha but I guess it works.
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Gohan's physicals would be scaled to 1/4th Solar Kamehameha lmao
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Honestly not that bad
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Visually, it doesn’t appear like the audience is treated transcending goku or anything else, but maybe some dialogue says otherwise, this is pretty important to prove r/f as I recall. Of course I could be wrong
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That seems pretty solid then. It's within the multipliers a Kamehameha has demonstrated before if a bit high.
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Afaik, it would need him to don´t interact with the "Real world" in anyway and don´t be relative to them in power, things that he explicit doesn´t does during the movie iirc
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And what about Gohan considering he didn’t take much time to charge his Kamehameha?
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