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Jujutsu Kaisen Discussion Page #1

I mean there is this
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Kashimo fires off one of his electric blasts (or possibly even EMW's) and sukuna not only manages to get his chants in, he also tells kashimo to dodge his attack prior to destroying the blast with his world slash
I mean from his pov he litteraly saw kashimo prepare his attack and thats why he was ready,and he wasnt weakened by yujis attacks there so his ct output was good enough
 
The only thing which was halting Gojo & Sukuna from being > MHS+, was the BF cap so I am aware. With that issue in shambles in the latest chapter FTL jjk should be a thing now
I got a calculation for Relativistic+ this one is not a aim dodge so you wouldn't be getting any arguments against it. At best people can say outlier. Well if you want to use it feel free to
I mean there is this
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Kashimo fires off one of his electric blasts (or possibly even EMW's) and sukuna not only manages to get his chants in, he also tells kashimo to dodge his attack prior to destroying the blast with his world slash
 
what suggests it's an aim dodge? We see Sukuna react after it was fired.
The fact he saw it charging up. I am talking about the initial emw btw.

When using the speed objects get pulled into black holes from light years away it still comes out to relativistic in speed for Kenjaku.
Which black holes?

no balls if you don't
There is actually a calc for Yuji mhs in goodwill iirc. I will try finding it lmao.
 
I mean from his pov he litteraly saw kashimo prepare his attack and thats why he was ready,and he wasnt weakened by yujis attacks there so his ct output was good enough
In same panel that we see the attack, we see sukuna's arm is down, in which he proceeds to lift up, chant, tell kashimo to dodge and split the attack prior to hitting him
 
I mean from his pov he litteraly saw kashimo prepare his attack and thats why he was ready,and he wasnt weakened by yujis attacks there so his ct output was good enough
I mean that would be cool and all, if we didn't get to see that sukuna gets in position and recites the chants while the beam is heading straight for him (I am not arguing for FTL btw just bring up that feat for the sake of what if)
 
why do shonen characters that cut lighting and move so fast they leave after images get tagged by bullets? cuse fiction, thats why. I mean even going by previouse feats and current feats, saying gojo and sukuna top out at barely supersonic is silly.
No not "cus fiction" You'd have a point if in verse the society at large knew how physically capable sorcerers were and adapted to that with better technology.
 
I mean good luck, I would not hold my breath.

(I personally feel that the hyper+ feat of sukuna blitzing piercing blood is more conistent with the overall power of the verse but hey, this wouldn't be the highest speed change a verse had in under a chapter)
I mean with the BF cap gone we cant just leave it, we need to discuss it and come to a conclusion even if it leans towards disagree we will know why. I figure that the Hypersonic+ feat will work better but we will see, I'm quick to jump at opportunities
 
No not "cus fiction" You'd have a point if in verse the society at large knew how physically capable sorcerers were and adapted to that with better technology.
dude, what are you even talking about?

I said that there are dozens of examples of shonen where a character that has multiple feats of MHS+ gets tagged by something that wouldn't even reach supersonic, what are you even talking about with the tech angle? bullets by basic physics (unless they use railgun tech) can't reach beyond hyper+.

Also piercing blood doesn't have a cap on its speed, since ya know if ya compress it more it will be more potent and quicker, so whats to stop anyone from argueing that sukuna simply did just that with his massively higher CE and CE efficency and compressed the water far more then choso could hope to?
 
Doubt it, that Hakari calc has way too many issues and outliers to be used this is pretty much only good news for anyone named Gojo, Sukuna & Kashimo
Not really, the biggest issue was the black flash limit on speed, which is gone. Even if we go with the other versions that increase the distance between Hakari and the lightning, still accounting that it's lightning speed, it all comes out at varying degrees of MHS
 
I said that there are dozens of examples of shonen where a character that has multiple feats of MHS+ gets tagged by something that wouldn't even reach supersonic, what are you even talking about wiht the tech angle? bullets by basic physics (unless they use railgun tech) can't reach beyond hyper+.
My point is simple: In a verse where the society knows the characters are physically advanced, the conclusion that weaponry would have been advanced as well follows to compensate for it. Bullets can be any speed depending on the context of the verse is my point. The same way arrows can be ftl or mhs or immeasurable speed in a verse against such characters.

Also piercing blood doesn't have a cap on its speed, since ya know if ya compress it more it will be more potent and quicker, so whats to stop anyone from argueing that sukuna simply did just that with his massively higher CE and CE efficency and compressed the water far more then choso could hope to?
The fact the compression is already stated to be done to its limit. The only way you could dance around this is by arguing Sukuna magically can compress it even more which you have zero to show from the manga that being the case.
 
The fact the compression is already stated to be done to its limit. The only way you could dance around this is by arguing Sukuna magically can compress it even more which you have zero to show from the manga that being the case.
I don't care about both of your arguments. Just want to address your misconceptions. It was never stated top speed is supersonic.
BLOOD MANIPULATION (赤血操術 - sekketsu sōjutsu)
The Kamo clan’s inherited technique of manipulating blood.

A technique that allows the user to manipulate and attack with blood reinforced with cursed energy. It’s possible to create a myriad of moves by combining techniques from Blood Manipulation, like Piercing Blood, which takes the blood that was compressed using Convergence, and then launches it at the opponent at supersonic speeds.
— Panel caption: The greater the pressure exerted by Convergence, the greater the speed and strength of Piercing Blood will be.
 
The fact the compression is already stated to be done to its limit. The only way you could dance around this is by arguing Sukuna magically can compress it even more which you have zero to show from the manga that being the cascase
This point is mute as not all compression levels are the same. That's why we have Kamo rave about Choso being able to compress it so much. Characters have also also grown significantly unless you think Choso's PB is still as weak as it was in Shibuya. And no Sukuna doesn't magical compress it more, he compresses it more because he is a highly intelligent CE user who's overall peaks are significantly more higher than others, hence why his PB would be faster and stronger as he is stronger and who have a greater compressing limit.
 
Hey Sukuna dodges PB from close range while Yuji was holding him down. Miya don't know what is supernova and PB 😭

Nah the perspective on that shot is weird as hell cause top panel makes it look like Choso is right on top of him meanwhile the next panel makes it look like the piercing blood was shot from the ceiling lol. Also Yuji and Choso just entirely missing in the next panel despite Choso literally falling

Still calcable but I just thought it was weird as hell
 
I don't see low - high tiers of the verse beating Supersonic but yet again I'm rooting for Gojo, Kashimo and Sukuna. I have a feeling those three will get the rating more than others would
 
You're forgetting everything else M3x brought up in his crt for it. Go reread the crt, it wasn't even about bf alone
Yeah like finally @SunDaGamer commented on BF cap. The main reason was because it was around 5 times of the BF cap or something as far as I remember. Initial arguments were still in discussion. The thread got concluded because of speed cap for BF.
 
Yeah like finally @SunDaGamer commented on BF cap. The main reason was because it was around 5 times of the BF cap or something as far as I remember. Initial arguments were still in discussion. The thread got concluded because of speed cap for BF.
He mentioned that Hakari dodging lightning is an outlier due to the fact that if you calc the feat it ends up with Hakari being over 5x faster than the lightning he struggles to dodge, if Hakari truly had these perception speeds he wouldn't have let the lightning get that close. Adding to the outlier the initial dodge is 5x lightning speed makes Kashimo's move set look stupid for having him land 5 physical punches to throw an attack that's x6 slower than his regular combat speed
 
Nah the perspective on that shot is weird as hell cause top panel makes it look like Choso is right on top of him meanwhile the next panel makes it look like the piercing blood was shot from the ceiling lol. Also Yuji and Choso just entirely missing in the next panel despite Choso literally falling

Still calcable but I just thought it was weird as hell
Now you mentioned it. Yeah that shot looks weird.

May be they are in mid air?
 
My point is simple: In a verse where the society knows the characters are physically advanced, the conclusion that weaponry would have been advanced as well follows to compensate for it. Bullets can be any speed depending on the context of the verse is my point. The same way arrows can be ftl or mhs or immeasurable speed in a verse against such characters.
my good fellow the counter point is even simpler: Physics

Bullets can go as fast as you can prappel them, the mechanism of prappeling them is what makes most situations where MHS+ characters get tagged by them make no sense, if we see a muzzle flash before the bullet leaves the gun that means that the mechanism is gun powder explosions or explosions in general and that leaves a massive issue for anything beyond hyper+ as explosions can't really travel faster than 25 mach.

and that leaves out other shit like early naruto characters (who have hyper+ and even MHS speed feats) getting tagged by sound waves or well about another 20+ verses with MHS+ to FTL characters getting tagged by sound waves or sound based attacks, how does that happen? cuse its ******* fiction and writers are not power scalers and don't know in most cases that a ******* lighting bolt is considerably faster than sound.
The fact the compression is already stated to be done to its limit. The only way you could dance around this is by arguing Sukuna magically can compress it even more which you have zero to show from the manga that being the case.
yeah blood... is sukuna using blood?
 
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