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Jujutsu Kaisen Discussion Page #1

Anyone genuinely not expecting the rumbling / nationwide transmutation circle / The Merger to happen?

I feel this story still has gears to go through.
 
Eh, I don't expect the Merger to happen or to be a threat as its made out to be really because by all rights, currently, that means absolute failure on the part of the protagonist. That is the death of all non-sorcerer's in Japan and I don't think the series currently has a way to turn that into anything even remotely less than a real downer ending unless Yuji's ability to sense the contour in souls allows him to break it apart. That and the merger itself being accomplished is a bit antithetical to the series. It's the ultimate defeat of sorcerer's and their purpose, and more explicitly with Yuji it is essentially Mahito killing everyone, the furthest from a normal death as possible.

Without a proper insurance as to how the Merger could be undone or the story themes itself finding such a thing a natural extension of it all, I don't see a way for it to happen narratively.
 
I really wonder what the creature in Sukuna's domain is supposed to be? Like we see Sukuna's complete domain its remains are used for the shrine, while its incomplete it has its flesh, and part of its spinal.
 
Ya’ll realize that Gege is a self-admitted Eva stan who is quoted as essentially just trying to make a buddhist version of the story right?

The merger absolutely can happen and there is a high chance this story ends on an extremely pessimistic note. 💀
He also loves bleach, fate, hunter x hunter, etc. The DNA of this story is rife with so many others besides Eva and I would argue that what he talks about in emulating Eva comes more in iconography not in storytelling.

But more than that, Evangelion's theming fits its insane endings.

JJK is nowhere close to as pessimistic even at its lowest points. It's a story much better built for a bittersweet ending than a pessimistic one.
 
Toji if he has full kit & some prep? Otherwise normally Miguel should beat him.
Makes sense. I believe they'd have similar physical capabilities but Toji would be too reliant on weapons to win and his CQC really only exist to compliment or back up for for any of his tools. Then there's tacking Miguel's CT into account as well.
 
and I would argue that what he talks about in emulating Eva comes more in iconography not in storytelling.
> "Respect for director Hideaki Anno

I hold an incredible amount of respect for director Hideaki Anno. The way in which the setting and worldview in “Neon Genesis Evangelion” (新世紀エヴァンゲリオン, the original TV anime) are never explained excessively, leaving a lot of room for the viewers imagination to fill in and the way in which the show is structured primarily for entertainment are all influences on me. There’s also director Anno’s editing. “Shin Godzilla (シン·ゴジラ, released in 2016) is truly remarkable, but the director’s “editing power” (?) really is very strong isn’t it? It’s all thanks to director Anno’s set stance that, even though I’m still stuck on “Eva”, I am now able to work on my own writing with the thought of “graduating from Eva” in mind"


Wrong. This is one interview ^


"Bleach was my initial source of inspiration in elementary school, then Hunter x Hunter and Evangelion were added to the mix in middle school… Since Evangelion was steeped in mythology, I concluded that I should take a different approach by turning to Buddhism instead." - Gege

Another interview.
 

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He also loves bleach, fate, hunter x hunter, etc. The DNA of this story is rife with so many others besides Eva and I would argue that what he talks about in emulating Eva comes more in iconography not in storytelling.

But more than that, Evangelion's theming fits its insane endings.

JJK is nowhere close to as pessimistic even at its lowest points. It's a story much better built for a bittersweet ending than a pessimistic one.
I mean not really, he flat out states that he like the pessimistic aspect of EVA.

I would argue the same with JJK, from the beginning of this story the plot has been rife with the theme of suffering. I'd actually argue you'd be hard pressed to narratively demonstrate JJK being optimistic in tone or plot direction.
 
I mean not really, he flat out states that he like the pessimistic aspect of EVA.

I would argue the same with JJK, from the beginning of this story the plot has been rife with the theme of suffering. I'd actually argue you'd be hard pressed to narratively demonstrate JJK being optimistic in tone or plot direction.
There's the part after Junpei dies and the school takes a more serious approach to curbing bullying. The teacher has a notable change in his voice and affect when talking to the head bully, showing his determination to not repeat the same mistakes that led to that situation and hope that the future will be better.
 
Something it took me far too long to realize is that not a single Shikigami has a Cursed Technique, and not a single Shikigami is a Cursed Technique, but rather they make part of one.
 
There's the part after Junpei dies and the school takes a more serious approach to curbing bullying. The teacher has a notable change in his voice and affect when talking to the head bully, showing his determination to not repeat the same mistakes that led to that situation and hope that the future will be better.
I'll add my thoughts to this

JJK is definitely not on the same level as EVA in terms of pessimism. Despite all the "this shit sucks" throughout the series, there's always the taste of hope, be it spoken or unspoken, that persists

Also I would find it a little distasteful if Yuji especially didn't get to live his life after everything he's been through
 
JJK is definitely not on the same level as EVA in terms of pessimism. Despite all the "this shit sucks" throughout the series, there's always the taste of hope, be it spoken or unspoken, that persists
Eva was always about hope tho, to accept yourself as you are and bla bla bla.

The world is kinda ruined and such, but the meaning in the end is that you need to like yourself before trying to like others, otherwise you will never be truly happy
 
I would pay my soul for Megumi, Nobara and Gojo to return and us to get a slice of life light novel set post EOS with them
Gojo returning, while not likely, would at least have buddhism parallels with Marici

Nobara is dead and they haven't even stated it outright 💀

Why that plot point turned out that way still astounds me to this day
 
Eva was always about hope tho, to accept yourself as you are and bla bla bla.

The world is kinda ruined and such, but the meaning in the end is that you need to like yourself before trying to like others, otherwise you will never be truly happy
Yeah, but that works in the context of EVA

The Merger is something the cast has been working to try to prevent for basically the last 100 chapters. It's the "End of the World as We Know It" for JJK, all or nothing
 
There's the part after Junpei dies and the school takes a more serious approach to curbing bullying. The teacher has a notable change in his voice and affect when talking to the head bully, showing his determination to not repeat the same mistakes that led to that situation and hope that the future will be better.
That’s a micro instance of character progression, not related to the macro set up of the manga. Evidenced by junpei and hos mother both dykng horrible deaths and mahito going on to cause carnage for two more arcs. The point is not that there is no good in JjK, but rather the whole story is set up upon the idea of fighting back against the endless loop of struggle regardless of the absurdity (the whole theme behind geto) and whether said suffering can ever be managed or eradicated. This is seen with Yuji’s initial motives given to him by hos grandpa (basically a bodiavata vow) which turns into Yuji’s “cog in the cycle” mentality his grandpa gives him that he speaks to Mahito about (which will also cause suffering to curses) and the basic premise behind the jujutsu code Todo instills into Yuji with his whole spiel about the Sanga bells and fighting the impermanence of all things by passing on their wills.

Add that to gege’s eva boner, the fact that he legit mapped out only one person from the protag group surviving to the end, killing Gojo, previously planning to kill Yuji after Sukuna ripped out his heart, and the constant one ups from the evil side, and I don’t really see how micro instances such as the one you brought up would counter the overall narrative intent gege has set up.

Not that a good ending is impossible, but certaintly is not favored odds wise and would still probably come with EXTREME suffering and costs to the cast and society at large (which we’ve already seen since every arc in shibuya).
 
Gege rushed the story way too much ngl. Theres more headcanon about the character's interaction in the fandom than real canon at this point

I'm still surprised that we didnt got anything between Gojo and the new Maki, nor any scene about how Gojo reacted to the death of Nanami, Nobara, Yuki and such, or even simple things like Gojo seeing Choso as a good guy now

I feel bad for Gege, since he have created a amazing world with great potential, but I guess his health can't keep up since the death of the Zenin clan
 
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Gege rushed the story way too much ngl. Theres more headcanon about the character's interaction in the fandom than real canon at this point

I'm still surprised that we didnt got anything between Gojo and the new Maki, nor any scene about how Gojo reacted to the death of Nanami, Nobara, Yuki and such, or even simple things like Gojo seeing Choso being a good guy now

I feel bad for Gege, since he have created a amazing world with great potential, but I guess his health can't keep up since the death of the Zenin clan
Which is why i really hope we get a third light novel to fill in the gaps
 
That’s a micro instance of character progression, not related to the macro set up of the manga. Evidenced by junpei and hos mother both dykng horrible deaths and mahito going on to cause carnage for two more arcs. The point is not that there is no good in JjK, but rather the whole story is set up upon the idea of fighting back against the endless loop of struggle regardless of the absurdity (the whole theme behind geto) and whether said suffering can ever be managed or eradicated. This is seen with Yuji’s initial motives given to him by hos grandpa (basically a bodiavata vow) which turns into Yuji’s “cog in the cycle” mentality his grandpa gives him that he speaks to Mahito about (which will also cause suffering to curses) and the basic premise behind the jujutsu code Todo instills into Yuji with his whole spiel about the Sanga bells and fighting the impermanence of all things by passing on their wills.

Add that to gege’s eva boner, the fact that he legit mapped out only one person from the protag group surviving to the end, killing Gojo, previously planning to kill Yuji after Sukuna ripped out his heart, and the constant one ups from the evil side, and I don’t really see how micro instances such as the one you brought up would counter the overall narrative intent gege has set up.

Not that a good ending is impossible, but certaintly is not favored odds wise and would still probably come with EXTREME suffering and costs to the cast and society at large (which we’ve already seen since every arc in shibuya).
I mostly agree, especially about the ending (feels like it might go to AOT levels of bittersweetness). There are more instances in the series of hope and positivity:
  • Megumi and Yuji going out of there way to save each other after just meeting
  • Nobara's determination to be herself
  • Nanami, yes just Nanami's existence (until he had to go :cry:)
  • Noritoshi's love for his Mom and working to protect her
  • Maki's love for Mai, killing the clan for her, the both of them coming to peace w/one another in the last fight against Naoya
  • Choso being one of the best Big Bros out there
  • Higuruma assuring Yuji he's not at fault in any way for Shibuya
  • Gojo's ending in the Hidden Inventory Arc, smiling to you Yuji, Megumi and Nobara, hopeful about there future :giggle:
 
Would’ve been a regular ass high tier first grade who tragically died to Higuruma, Ryu, Uro, Naobito or Kusakabe
If Jogo were born human, he'd likely be a problematic sorcerer. I somewhat doubt he'd be a "kill on-sight" enemy, what without his Curse instincts and his pride as a Cursed Spirit

Or maybe he'd be a misanthropic human who believes in the rights of Cursed Spirits
 
Is someone willing to translate a small panel from the manga? I really need this translation.
 

Saw the thread, and I just have to say that's it's always funny and annoying seeing peeps in military/nation vs individual fighter thread going "sniper to the head" or "they drop a nuke on em" literally seconds into the thread, it always happens. Like you'll have "US Army vs Character A" and one of the first things is "they get sniped" or "Eh, they get nuke'd" and I'm just like, bruh.
 
If Jogo were born human, he'd likely be a problematic sorcerer. I somewhat doubt he'd be a "kill on-sight" enemy, what without his Curse instincts and his pride as a Cursed Spirit

Or maybe he'd be a misanthropic human who believes in the rights of Cursed Spirits
If he were born human he wouldn't have the same outlook in life at all. But I was just talking about scaling.
 
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