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Top 10 Strongest Non-Smurfs for Every Tier Continuation

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Gan

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Gan above all china man, and Yogiri (except ergen verse MF, I supposse), He is one layer into 1-A
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Yogiri wasn't even a threat tho
 
Livinmeme said:
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Gan

Gan is the Supreme God and animating spirit of the Dark Tower, being the deity most closely associated with the abstract alignment known as The White. Although the Tower appears to be made of stone and glass, it is actually a living vessel for the spirit of Gan. Just as the ancient myths of...
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Gan above all china man, and Yogiri (except ergen verse MF, I supposse), He is one layer into 1-A
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bad page so he shouldn't be on here
 
How about God man sharing a spot with Wang Ling? He is far far far faster than him, and he can negate him, with things like precog, Fate, EE, time and space, and mathematic EE, but I am not confident that he wins in speed equalized
inb4. The profile is outdated
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True, but he doesn't lake any ability (I think), and his lack of scans...Is more like like the scans are scattered across his profile. If that thing stops me from submitting him, then I will try to update him
 
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I wonder, could the Inganock characters be placed around Number 2? IDK about Basara guy, but maybe replace Fran or something?

There's been quite a bit of updates on the verse for some time like the addition of this, and I can't seem to see how Fran can really beat any of the top tiers given their estoric nature (especially the Critter and Kikai).
 
Qliphoth_Bacikal said:
I wonder, could the Inganock characters be placed around Number 2? IDK about Basara guy, but maybe replace Fran or something?

There's been quite a bit of updates on the verse for some time like the addition of this, and I can't seem to see how Fran can really beat any of the top tiers given their estoric nature (especially the Critter and Kikai).
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For what? That tells me jack shit?
 
I assume you mean High 7-C and 9-B?

Edit: If so, to the High 7-C one.

Whatever the case, to go in depth: Fran has a bunch of abilities that, while abundant, there's not any scans that even tell me how potent they are or if they're even layered.

Whatever the case they are, her only listed NPI is being able to affect "beings made of mist", which is pretty jack shit itself compared to entities in the series (Kikai) who can fight and kill beings like them who are beings of information and exist as possibilities with no physical substance or form to them, even invulnerable to a power like this that, at bare minimum, is stated to allow one to manipulate matter and physics yet such beings (Critters) aren't affected by it anyway.

Is that any better? Otherwise, I can also just make a thread to settle it better if that's preferable?
 
Qliphoth_Bacikal said:
I assume you mean High 7-C and 9-B?

Edit: If so, to the High 7-C one.

Whatever the case, to go in depth: Fran has a bunch of abilities that, while abundant, there's not any scans that even tell me how potent they are or if they're even layered.

Whatever the case they are, her only listed NPI is being able to affect "beings made of mist", which is pretty jack shit itself compared to entities in the series (Kikai) who can fight and kill beings like them who are beings of information and exist as possibilities with no physical substance or form to them, even invulnerable to a power like this that, at bare minimum, is stated to allow one to manipulate matter and physics yet such beings (Critters) aren't affected by it anyway.

Is that any better? Otherwise, I can also just make a thread to settle it better if that's preferable?
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Thank you for telling me which tiers you were looking for.

That's what I was asking.
 
Qliphoth_Bacikal said:
I assume you mean High 7-C and 9-B?

Edit: If so, to the High 7-C one.

Whatever the case, to go in depth: Fran has a bunch of abilities that, while abundant, there's not any scans that even tell me how potent they are or if they're even layered.

Whatever the case they are, her only listed NPI is being able to affect "beings made of mist", which is pretty jack shit itself compared to entities in the series (Kikai) who can fight and kill beings like them who are beings of information and exist as possibilities with no physical substance or form to them, even invulnerable to a power like this that, at bare minimum, is stated to allow one to manipulate matter and physics yet such beings (Critters) aren't affected by it anyway.

Is that any better? Otherwise, I can also just make a thread to settle it better if that's preferable?
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Who is Fran? link the character
 
DaReaperMan said:
Thank you for telling me which tiers you were looking for.

That's what I was asking.
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Well, it was kinda obvious by itself that this girl only has like one tiers (two?), hence the comment...although now I just realized that I didn't even say "High 7-C" specifically.

My bad for the confusion there, I didn't realize that until now.

Dragonite007 said:
Who is Fran? link the character
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What I linked just here above. I kinda think Basara can still beat them with some of his abilities, hence only the mention of one. (Fran).
 
Don't forget they have Cracking and it's 10+ abilities as a passive ability.

Not fully done with the revisions, so wasn't going to suggest them for anything.
 
ShiftCtrlAltDeleteTabFn said:
I think it's something to do with AT and Anti-AT Fields, but I don't know much about Evangelion.
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Yeah, I know it is, I have seen the original series (even rewatching it as of recent) and EOE. But it's not passive for Lilith. At best it would be a first move she does, and it's not instant at all. Unless you want to make the argument that Shinji was the reason Lilith hadn't destroyed everything at that moment, but meh.

Adam is a somewhat different case because the moment there was anything happening with him, the AT fields in the area were being released (I can't tell exactly what happens, but it was during some experiment).
 
FoxySonicMaster108 said:
Yeah, I know it is, I have seen the original series (even rewatching it as of recent) and EOE. But it's not passive for Lilith. At best it would be a first move she does, and it's not instant at all. Unless you want to make the argument that Shinji was the reason Lilith hadn't destroyed everything at that moment, but meh.

Adam is a somewhat different case because the moment there was anything happening with him, the AT fields in the area were being released (I can't tell exactly what happens, but it was during some experiment).
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I haven't watched Evangelion (I've been meaning to), so I wouldn't know. I was just repeating what I've heard the reasoning was for their placement.
 
In 5-C:
Rikimarox2 said:
Checking her page, I honestly don't see why this is considered actual plot manip, as from the technique description, it just states it's like an author writing shenanigans, and not that it is actually manipulating the literal narrative of the world. This seems more like subjective reality, since the description match and... It's literally called imagination.

Regardless, it's outdated af, and it doesn't even have types for her concept manip. It should be removed imo.
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Rakih_Elyan said:
Non layered CM, Lindon CM is layered into 6. And no, her passive is only erasing an attack that she can imagine. I don't think she can imagine getting her mind and soul EE'd by Ergenverse Cultivator presence and Lindon layered CM.



I don't think Kagami can imagine Lindon Void Icon and what bullshit the Ergen cultivator can pull out.

And she is outdated AF.
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Any supporter of Kagami to explain how she take the first spot ?
 
Can we put Black Clover characters to 5-C 7th spot?

Asta in 8th spot went inconclusive with 8th spot Hagoromo while speed was equalized. Lucius recently stomped him too (speed = as well), Unequal speed would make the win even easier.

And I think they could take Kenshiro out because of the AP and speed difference, add the fact Kenshiro has far less range, no resistance to Mind manip, Soul Manip, Corruption or even Time manip and it's curtains.
 
Epsilon_R said:
And I think they could take Kenshiro out because of the AP and speed difference, add the fact Kenshiro has far less range, no resistance to Mind manip, Soul Manip, Corruption or even Time manip and it's curtains.
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Kenshiro has everything on this page, you should read it.
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Martial Arts (Fist of the North Star)

Fist of the North Star is a setting famous for its many fantastical martial arts, whose number and power far supersedes that of any real world martial arts due to the lack of conventional weaponry, which forced people to turn martial arts into their most powerful weapons (source). The number of...
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Resistance to Mind Manipulation (Kenshiro easily resisted a mind control attack from Geira)
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And none of what you mentioned seems to matter? Mind/Soul is for seeing memories, I don't know where you got corruption and causality is only for magic and Kenshiro has attacks that use magic and and they are irrelevant because none of his main attacks use magic. This is all of Kenshiro's abilities that use magic:

Hokuto Ryuken
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Hokuto Ryūken, also known as Hokuto Ryūka Ken is a 1800 year old martial art from the Land of Asura. This martial art is known as an evil martial art.

- Spatial Manipulation, Gravity Manipulation and Pocket Reality Manipulation (Hokuto Ryuken fighters can bend space around themselves to avoid being hit. With Anryu Tenha the use can trap the opponent in a non-gravitational dimension where the space is extremely distorted)

- Magic (Hokuto Ryuken is a martial art with magical properties. The user can use incantations)

- Precognition (Liu said that Hokuto Ryuken allowed him to anticipate the attacks of those who entered his aura)

- Heat Manipulation (Liu Zongwu did this against Yasaka)

- Void Manipulation and Non-Physical Interaction (Kaioh is capable of destroying Muso Tensei's nothingness)

- Explosion Manipulation (Liu Zongwu did this using a Hokuto Ryuken technique)

- Limited Matter Manipulation (Jukei showed signs of this ability)

- Empowerment (In Kaioh’s last fight against Kenshiro, he was empowered by being in his “sacred ground”)

- Stealth Mastery (Hokuto Ryuken fighters can be as stealthy as Hokuto Shinken fighters)

- Accelerated Development (Shachi was able to adapt to Han's speed just by watching him and Kenshiro fight, even though he previously couldn't see Han's fist attack him)

- Memory Manipulation: (Hokuto Ryuken fighters can seal others memories away)

- Vibration Manipulation (Liu Zongwu has demonstrated this)

- Petrification (Hokuto Ryuken have its own version of Gen-Onkai)

- Limited Self-Sustenance (Type 1; With Kokei Kosoku, they can fight without needing to breathe)

- Astral Projection, Flight and Resistance to Analytical Prediction (With Yusho Seibu. It's stated that this technique allows the user to detach himself from his corporeal body and fly through the air to destroy his opponent)

- Illusion Manipulation (Kuroyasha was able to make a illusion of his death)

- Technique Mimicry (Hokuto Ryuken fighters can master techniques in mid battle)

- Thread Manipulation (Hyoh can manipulate threads and send ki through them. This technique was called Jikai Rashi in the anime)

- Possibly Teleportation (in his fight against Hyoh, Kuroyasha was able disappear from Hyoh's sight and reappear in other places, like behind Hyoh himself and even behind Kenshiro who did not see him coming)

- Instictive Reaction (Liu Zong-Wu's was stated to have a unconcious fist)
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And Asta has zero chance of winning because Musō Tensei passively activates when Kenshiro is in danger.
- Dimensional Travel, Instinctive Action, Duplication, Immortality (Type 5) and Nonexistent Physiology (Nature Type 1, Aspect Type 1, 3 and 5) and Resistance to Extrasensory Perception, Precognition and Existence Erasure (Musō Tensei is made of the nothingness which predates life, and allows the user to achieve a state of said nothingness. It’s also stated to be able to erase the user’s body from existence. MT activates automatically to protect the user from danger, even when the user is completely unconscious and also creates clones for further distractions. Raoh states that it renders every hokuto Shinken ability completely useless, to the point where him and Ken are forced to just have a slugfest with 0 techniques, this could include techniques that can BFRs the opponent's soul. It makes the user "impossible to locate", even average characters in terms of skill can locate the opponent via sensing his murderous intent, his bloodlust and fear. Furthermore, an attack thrown while in MT is considered to be "impossible to predict" since it comes from a "blank mind" despite the fact that things like subconscious reflex is considered to be a fodder technique that's easily predicted and that the very person who considers MT to be impossible to see coming is stated to possess an "unconscious fist". One of the guidebook describes MT as "The realm of no-mind, which can only be attained by those who have known love and sorrow", as well its stated in Legends Revive that the MT allowing the user to "enter the void between life and death")
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Epsilon_R said:
Can we put Black Clover characters to 5-C 7th spot?

Asta in 8th spot went inconclusive with 8th spot Hagoromo while speed was equalized. Lucius recently stomped him too (speed = as well), Unequal speed would make the win even easier.

And I think they could take Kenshiro out because of the AP and speed difference, add the fact Kenshiro has far less range, no resistance to Mind manip, Soul Manip, Corruption or even Time manip and it's curtains.
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i made an Asta vs Kenshiro thread and it turned out to be a stomp in favor of Kenshiro
 
Lynieryz said:
Kenshiro has everything on this page, you should read it.
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Martial Arts (Fist of the North Star)

Fist of the North Star is a setting famous for its many fantastical martial arts, whose number and power far supersedes that of any real world martial arts due to the lack of conventional weaponry, which forced people to turn martial arts into their most powerful weapons (source). The number of...
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And none of what you mentioned seems to matter? Mind/Soul is for seeing memories, I don't know where you got corruption and causality is only for magic and Kenshiro has attacks that use magic and and they are irrelevant because none of his main attacks use magic. This is all of Kenshiro's abilities that use magic:

And Asta has zero chance of winning because Musō Tensei passively activates when Kenshiro is in danger.
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Kenshiro's digital insanity walk
 
Epsilon_R said:
And I think they could take Kenshiro out because of the AP and speed difference, add the fact Kenshiro has far less range, no resistance to Mind manip, Soul Manip, Corruption or even Time manip and it's curtains.
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How fast are any of these? Because Muso Tensei is going to neg this except Time Manip depending on how it works.
 
Robo432343 said:
i made an Asta vs Kenshiro thread and it turned out to be a stomp in favor of Kenshiro
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I was talking about Lucius, also it was speed equal so who knows.

Edit: also I just checked, you used High 6-A versions, not even 5-C (but again my point was about Lucius tbh)
Lynieryz said:
Kenshiro has everything on this page, you should read it.
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Martial Arts (Fist of the North Star)

Fist of the North Star is a setting famous for its many fantastical martial arts, whose number and power far supersedes that of any real world martial arts due to the lack of conventional weaponry, which forced people to turn martial arts into their most powerful weapons (source). The number of...
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And none of what you mentioned seems to matter? Mind/Soul is for seeing memories, I don't know where you got corruption and causality is only for magic and Kenshiro has attacks that use magic and and they are irrelevant because none of his main attacks use magic. This is all of Kenshiro's abilities that use magic:

And Asta has zero chance of winning because Musō Tensei passively activates when Kenshiro is in danger.
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Same, mainly talking about Lucius

FoxySonicMaster108 said:
How fast are any of these? Because Muso Tensei is going to neg this except Time Manip depending on how it works.
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According to the other guy, MT only activates when hes in actual danger.

Lucius is fast enough to blitz Ken's reactions. And Lucius's soul manip doesn't actively harm you, he orders you through your soul.
Lucius can also stop time, steal his time, accelerate/revert his time, or trap him in a cage of time and be done with it.
 
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Epsilon_R said:
Lucius is fast enough to blitz Ken's reactions. And Lucius's soul manip doesn't actively harm you, he orders you through your soul.
Lucius can also stop time, steal his time, accelerate/revert his time, or trap him in a cage of time and be done with it.
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I remember Twellas (who is very knowledgeable on FOTNS) saying that speed amps won't even work on Kenshiro. Characters in verse can still blitz each other and still dodge stuff. Also his prediction (which is straight up precog) is uhhh... yeah it's cracked, and Ken already makes some precog powers look like fodder trash. So if he sees himself getting time haxed or something through precog, he's gonna activate MT to attempt to get around it because that precog can read two steps ahead of the opponent.

Also speed is equal by default. At best, you can place them in the same spot with speed unequal iirc.

AP means nothing to Ken when he has like, so many durability negating techniques, even ignoring pressure points.

How likely is that time hax going to be used right off the bat? Because it may not even matter if Ken just one taps and makes him explode.

Ken has so many haxes that it reminds me of a certain "parody" manga I know holy hell.
 
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Robo432343 said:
Why are we talking about Lucius tho
He can’t qualify for the 5-C list because he isn’t 5-C physically
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He is though?

Sacred Power is a transformation that affects both his AP, SS and Durability.

Also base Asta got his 5-C key because he managed to damage Lucius in the first place.
 
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FoxySonicMaster108 said:
I remember Twellas (who is very knowledgeable on FOTNS) saying that speed amps won't even work on Kenshiro. Characters in verse can still blitz each other and still dodge stuff.
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Same for BC, that's one of the reasons in-verse blitzes/one shots are discarded when it comes to cross-verse matches
FoxySonicMaster108 said:
Also his prediction (which is straight up precog) is uhhh... yeah it's cracked, and Ken already makes some precog powers look like fodder trash.
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I mean, Lucius can pretty much see 20 thousands futures and at least a good day in advance, maybe even decades as everything went as he foretold even during his 10+ year sleep state.

Precog doesn't even matter tbh
FoxySonicMaster108 said:
So if he sees himself getting time haxed or something through precog, he's gonna activate MT to attempt to get around it because that precog can read two steps ahead of the opponent.
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Ken reading the future and then activate MT is gonna take more time than Lucius just thinking and stopping time.

FoxySonicMaster108 said:
Also speed is equal by default. At best, you can place them in the same spot with speed unequal iirc.
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Well yeah, that's why I argued for unequal speed to begin with.

But even if speed is =, see my answer above.
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AP means nothing to Ken when he has like, so many durability negating techniques, even ignoring pressure points.
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It's not even about Lucius tanking, it's about him pretty much one shooting Ken with any attack he does.
FoxySonicMaster108 said:
How likely is that time hax going to be used right off the bat? Because it may not even matter if Ken just one taps and makes him explode.
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It's thought based and is his starting move.
 
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