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Jujutsu Kaisen Discussion Page #1

Toji~Maki>Ougi>Naobito>=Naoya

I'm very unsure if Naoya>Naobito
Since Naobit>All sorcerers besides gojo.
 
Are you guys fine with Naobito and Ogi and Naoya all being Massively Hypersonic?
 
blitzing hhs characters, Naobito perception blitz nanami and maki, Ogi scales to Naobito.
 
Does anyone have problem with me changing a few things on Toji's page? He has flight for some odd reason, and instinctive reaction? There's also the bf justification that needs to be removed since he didn't fight a bf user (ino's confirmed to not be one in anime) and we also don't use bf as a speed feat anymore. And his weakness isn't a weakness in a fight at all.
 
PowerToScale said:
Always thought of his ability probability manip instead
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Nah it's like explained to be miracles stored and then used when he's in danger. So I just went with supernatural luck and pretty sure SL is kinda integrated with probability manip
 
Maki and Naoya fight. Naoya says "power is speed and mass" which makes Kinetic energy ago for characters. Naoya goes top speed.

And the Yikes is that it directly says after him going top speed that he has "REACHED SUBSONIC SPEED".

Its a fan sub and it could be wrong. We can always check the raws anyways. Plus mutiple feats above subsonic so the statement would be disregarded anyways
 
PowerToScale said:
Maki and Naoya fight. Naoya says "power is speed and mass" which makes Kinetic energy ago for characters. Naoya goes top speed.

And the Yikes is that it directly says after him going top speed that he has "REACHED SUBSONIC SPEED".

Its a fan sub and it could be wrong. We can always check the raws anyways. Plus mutiple feats above subsonic so the statement would be disregarded anyways
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It might be wrong since it's fan translations but again, piercing blood says everything about what speed Gege intends the characters to be at. One outlier Maki feat from long ago was used to upgrade everyone in the verse to High Hypersonic.
 
Gitagon said:
It might be wrong since it's fan translations but again, piercing blood says everything about what speed Gege intends the characters to be at. One outlier Maki feat from long ago was used to upgrade everyone in the verse to High Hypersonic.
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How is her catching a bullet an outlier?
 
So this statement is likely a mistranslation, but I will point out a few things prior to this arc to show why it isn't consistent with the general speed rating for the verse so far.

1 : Maki's bullet feat is her first speed feat in the Goodwill event (they would've obviously trained for the event, Ogi statement supports that so no anti feats in Goodwill event to contradict it)

2 : Choso's PB exceeds sos and yuji can react to it up close, there's a calc for this that is also hypersonic I believe, Naoya can blitz Choso who scales to this Yuji with his PS.

3 : Naobito Perception blitzes Maki who can react at a hhs level

4 : Inumaki uses sound to attack with his cursed speech

5 : Mahito blitzes Nanami from meters away with his speed amp, Nanami being at least superhuman in speed (obvious)

6 : Sorcerers train everyday so they couldn't possibly stay subsonic for almost an entire year considering them already being Subsonic or higher BOS.
 
It is not just to avoid stupid downgrades. A single calculation for the verse doesn't work. Currently the Jujutsu page sucks, many calculations are still needed
 
LIFE_OF_KING said:
It is not just to avoid stupid downgrades. A single calculation for the verse doesn't work. Currently the Jujutsu page sucks, many calculations are still needed
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I think you should calc Mahito blitzing Nanami with his deer legs to support a higher speed rating for lower tier characters. whenever u free
 
Nelliels said:
How is her catching a bullet an outlier?
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It's not exactly an outlier, just when it is calced to High Hypersonic based on distance her hand moved which I think Gege didn't account for otherwise everyone and their mother who scales to early Maki would find piercing blood extremely slow.

This is the biggest problems with calcs. Sometimes the author is just drawing things to look cool but so far in-universe, supersonic speed would be considered extremely fast and high Hypersonic is the outlier from all the statements.
 
Gitagon said:
It's not exactly an outlier, just when it is calced to High Hypersonic based on distance her hand moved which I think Gege didn't account for otherwise everyone and their mother who scales to early Maki would find piercing blood extremely slow.

This is the biggest problems with calcs. Sometimes the author is just drawing things to look cool but so far in-universe, supersonic speed would be considered extremely fast and high Hypersonic is the outlier from all the statements.
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No, pb is stated to exceed the speed of sound, meaning it's speed is anywhere from transonic to anything, it doesn't hold the verse back, the translations got it wrong.
 
Surpasses it on launch and slows down, slows down by how much? how fast is it when it's launched? Don't know the tier but it doesn't negate maki or anyone scaling to her or it.
 
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Nelliels said:
Choso's PB exceeds sos and yuji can react to it up close, there's a calc for this that is also hypersonic I believe, Naoya can blitz Choso who scales to this Yuji with his PS.
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It was calced as Hypersonic+ reactions but I don’t think it was agreed upon due to Yuji timing and prepping before Choso fired
However How much Yuji moved relative to piecing blood to dodge can be calculated
In fact I could do it if anyone wants since Yuji still waited for it to get close to move
 
  • First
    • We need new AP calculations for the Low Tier. The City Block for the verse it's ridiculous
      • The guy with a stone hand is interesting
    • We need new speed calculations
  • Second
    • We need to create explain why the Domain Expansions are not small. The fanbook explains several characteristics of Domain, like Dagon's, explaining that it is a real ocean, which helps things
  • Third
    • We need to have a better discussion about the blackout on Japan. Previously we accepted that it was something of a chain reaction because Tengen Barriers. But the fanbook explains that the barriers have nothing to do with this
  • And the last part
    • Tangen's Tier
It is possible to talk about all this in a single thread
 
We need to create explain why the Domain Expansions are not small. The fanbook explains several characteristics of Domain, like Dagon's, explaining that it is a real ocean, which helps things
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do you have this on hand?
 
Jackof_noTrades068 said:
It was calced as Hypersonic+ reactions but I don’t think it was agreed upon due to Yuji timing and prepping before Choso fired
However How much Yuji moved relative to piecing blood to dodge can be calculated
In fact I could do it if anyone wants since Yuji still waited for it to get close to move
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Yes pls
 
LIFE_OF_KING said:
  • First
    • We need new AP calculations for the Low Tier. The City Block for the verse it's ridiculous
      • The guy with a stone hand is interesting
    • We need new speed calculations
  • Second
    • We need to create explain why the Domain Expansions are not small. The fanbook explains several characteristics of Domain, like Dagon's, explaining that it is a real ocean, which helps things
  • Third
    • We need to have a better discussion about the blackout on Japan. Previously we accepted that it was something of a chain reaction because Tengen Barriers. But the fanbook explains that the barriers have nothing to do with this
  • And the last part
    • Tangen's Tier
It is possible to talk about all this in a single thread
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It'll take like another two months probably, I think tengens tier can wait honestly, the blackout since that's about ap should go into a ap thread with the low tiers stuff and the domain can too. Though really doubt people are gonna accept anything about domains like last time.
 
LIFE_OF_KING said:
  • First
    • We need new AP calculations for the Low Tier. The City Block for the verse it's ridiculous
      • The guy with a stone hand is interesting
    • We need new speed calculations
  • Second
    • We need to create explain why the Domain Expansions are not small. The fanbook explains several characteristics of Domain, like Dagon's, explaining that it is a real ocean, which helps things
  • Third
    • We need to have a better discussion about the blackout on Japan. Previously we accepted that it was something of a chain reaction because Tengen Barriers. But the fanbook explains that the barriers have nothing to do with this
  • And the last part
    • Tangen's Tier
It is possible to talk about all this in a single thread
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Well I think the speed portion is worth it’s own thread tbh
Since we are very lacking in speed calcs it would change the whole verse

Things like the Black out and whatever other AP calculations along with Domain size can be done in one thread concisely

Tengen can wait honestly
 
LIFE_OF_KING said:
  • First
    • We need new AP calculations for the Low Tier. The City Block for the verse it's ridiculous
      • The guy with a stone hand is interesting
    • We need new speed calculations
  • Second
    • We need to create explain why the Domain Expansions are not small. The fanbook explains several characteristics of Domain, like Dagon's, explaining that it is a real ocean, which helps things
  • Third
    • We need to have a better discussion about the blackout on Japan. Previously we accepted that it was something of a chain reaction because Tengen Barriers. But the fanbook explains that the barriers have nothing to do with this
  • And the last part
    • Tangen's Tier
It is possible to talk about all this in a single thread
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Btw more minor AP related thing
Your Hanami wood Calc should be using 0.1 seconds or 0.08 seconds for the High end rather than 0.2
Since Yuji and Todo are obviously far above peak humans
That should put that Calc higher into 7-C
Also Mahito has a 7-C Calc you did I think so those could re upgrade the verse into tier 7
I think
 
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