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TheUnshakableOne
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Thought Foundation
git ・ EN ・ 中 ・ 日
mystic code
The concept which composes the crux of Thought Magecraft. Called “the Disc” for short.
It’s an ultra-giant Mystic Code fused with Earth, and can also be considered the simulation of an artificial deity, or in a sense, an artificial Root. Users of Though Magecraft are connected to the Thought Foundation from beginning to end and use it as the medium to activate their magecraft.
Therefore, the goal in Thought Magecraft is not to reach the Root, but to make this Disc reach the Root’s level of accuracy. Although that act is akin to attempting to fix a long broken plate without having all the missing parts…
Now, despite the name “Disc,” it is somewhat like a path and somewhat like one of those particle accelerators from modern science. It’s the cloud computing of thoughts humans can’t fully utilize, but this Disc does more than only collect the thoughts, it accelerates the thoughts nonstop, and continues to expand to this day… or it’s watching the fantasy where it continued to expand (The changes to magecraft at the end of the Age of Gods reached everyone equally, including Thought Magecraft, and that brought about major losses and minor benefits).

Thought Magecraft
git ・ EN ・ 中 ・ 日
magecraft
“In the West, the Clock Tower. In the East, the Luoxuan Guan.”
The main line of magecraft in the Luoxuan Guan, mainly spread through Asia and the Middle East.
Contrary to the Clock Tower’s Western Magecraft connecting to the magecraft foundations, this one is utilized by connecting to an ultra-giant Mystic Code fused with Earth: the Thought Foundation—a sort of artificial Root. Read the Thought Foundation and Thought Key entries for more details.


El-Melloii Adventures 3 ch.3

"I already mentioned something to that effect in Singapore, but magecraft original to the Orient is different from the Occident's. That's because some concepts have different bases. Let me see if I have a good name for this concept. How about Sharing?"

"What's Sharing?"

"Think of the Philosophy Magecraft spread all over continental Asia. What makes it valid are the Philosophy Foundation, which is an effective simulation of an artificial Root."

"An artificial... Root?"

She lost me completely.

But those words alone were enough to make a shiver run down my spine.

"I know that the Root is the ultimate goal of every mage. I can't imagine it as something people have a way to make."

"Of course we can't. But by 'we', I mean modern Western mages."

I felt my definition of common sense being suddenly flipped upside-down.

I mean, I've heard the circumstances hundreds of times in the Clock Tower. All mages pursue the Root. The Root is the very truth of all, and whoever reaches it would learn the laws and reasons of everything, etc.

I've seen so many mages sacrificing their fortunes, lives, and families just to get one step closer to the Root.

A thought that took me years to digest was flipped on its head.

"I'm sure you heard in the Clock Tower about how pretty much everyone played by their own different rules in the Age of Gods, right? Did you know that Age of Gods mages weren't after the Root?"

I remember hearing that.

That was because the gods were a regular part of reality in the Age of Gods.

"If I recall correctly, it was because in the Age of Gods, making a contract with a god closer to the Root connected the mage directly to the Root."

"That's right", Rin nodded.

She reminded me of the Professor with her approach of taking things step-by-step, always checking how much the learning party knew before moving to the next layer. Although both of them would get angry if I said it out loud.

" For modern magi, most understood that reaching the root was something that just wasn't possible for them. After all, even though magecraft itself had been in a state of continuing decline since the Age of Gods, there were no reports of anyone facing that past and trying to return to it. Likely, the appearance in the Far East of the fifth - and often called the last - Magician was the same as the gate to the Root being all but closed

to everyone else."

Among the imperfect languages allowed to man, one had to admit there was nothing that could contain what they saw. It was said there was once a Sealing Designated magus who used the Unified Language (Master of Babel), words which allowed no mistake, to which the entire world-living or not could not but obey. Her much the same, a purity that reached into the depths of the Root itself.

Volume 3 of case files

"I don't think so. This combination is needlessly complicated for that. Theoretically, the Root could be reached using Emiya's magecraft alone. That's why it was Seal Designated. It would be meaningless to add Iskandar or any other formula into the equation..."

Volume 9

Magecraft today is different from magecraft in the Age of the Gods. That I can understand, at least somewhat. Because mages from the Age of the Gods are very close to the Root, they don't need to chase after it. I'm not sure why, but I can understand that as well. But what does all of this have to do with Heartless?"

Also volume 9

"Good....First, the mages of the Age of the Gods do not aim for the Root because they don't have to. This is because the Root is quite close to them."

I had heard this explanation many times before. Modern mages chased after the Root, but ancient mages did not.

"Faker is an example."

By now, we were already familiar with her. She was a Servant who had been summoned from many millennia ago.

"The magecraft we know of is no more than the manipulation of formulas(TN: Alternatively, spells). It is only a trick to briefly fool the world. Their magecraft, on the other hand, directly connected with the Root and Divine Spirits- no, the gods themselves." My mentor said, confirming the difference between mages in modern times and in the Age of the Gods, which had only been hinted at until now.

Also Volume 9

Those last 2 is backed by WoG which that interview statement link appears to be broken...

"The revival of the Age of the Gods would be like a miracle to generations of mages. Reaching the Root would no longer be an unattainable dream. This new form of mystery would be far more efficient."

Volume 10

Modern magecraft began when the Age of the Gods ended. The goal of magecraft

became attempting to return to the past. Over two thousand years, mages had spent enough talent and resources to make someone pass out from astonishment, all so they could reach the Root, the shining ideal in the distance.

A mage from the Age of the Gods must find this act incredibly foolish. Reines had told me that not even a monster like Touko Aozaki stood a chance against Faker.

Volume 10

"Interesting." McDonell said, nodding twice and clasping together his hands. "A god that exists only for mages... if he succeeds in creating it, we will not have to seek the Root anymore. Isn't that a wonderful proposition?"

I had expected an answer like that from the head of the Democratic Faction..

If their goal was to have more mages climb to higher rungs of the ladder, the magecraft of the Age of the Gods was definitely a shortcut. Since he was a guide for other mages, ita was no wonder that he affirmed Heartless' plan..

"...No."

Came a voice accompanied by a strong will of refusal.

"...This is no time to joke around," said the old man clearly. "Are you suggesting that we abandon two thousand vears of history...and bring back the Age of the Gods...? Perhaps people would do that in some obscure place...like the Far East...but not here, in the Clock Tower...We cannot allow that to happen...!"

Volume 10

Her perception expanded as she stabilized as a Divine Spirit. Now, connected to the Root, time no longer mattered. She was now able to search for a point in the past while remaining in the present; not because she could see the past, but because she could see everything in the instant that her divine Saint Graph was compressed back into the form of a Ghost Liner.

There were limits to her power, of course. The bounds of her vision were limited by her scale as a Divine Spirit, and Faker was only a newborn god. She could only calculate points that she had a connection to.

Also volume 10

All Lord El melloi Case files novel

神代の文明は循環、現代の文明は消費。
神代は真理と共にあり、現代は真理を識ろうとする。
循環の理で世界が回っていた神代において、魔術師は根源に到達する必要がない。
だって根源から魔力を得ているようなものだから。
同時に、あまりに身近に感じられるため、根源にいたろうという考え自体思いつかない。

Ancient civilizations were about cycles, modern civilizations are about consumption. The ancient era existed with truth, while the modern era seeks to understand truth. In the ancient world, where the principle of cycles governed everything, magicians didn't need to reach the Root (the origin of all things). After all, it was as if they were already obtaining magical energy from the Root. At the same time, because it felt so close, the idea of reaching the Root didn't even occur to them.




--I don't take credit for the translation. Not mine


Fate/Stay Night

Attempts to reach the outside world.

According to hermeticism, there's a power that governs

dimensional theory outside of this world.

It's called the 'swirl of the origin', and it's a coordinate

that's considered to be the beginning of all things. It's the start and the end of all creation. It's the seat of God,

recording everything and able to create anything.

Tsukihime

"All events have a foundational cause: an absolute first. The point where the universe began, yet also the point where it will end. At this point, there is an 'archive of all things' Though it's less of an 'archive' and more of just an 'existence'; not really information. It is 'existence', nothing more. It has no will unto itself, and no possible directive either. It simply lets causes flow out of itself, almost like it's this Source Maelstrom."


"What did you mean about how.there haven't been any survivorş?" "I meant that no one's ever come in contact with the Root and made it back to

talk about it. Not a'single person in the entire world..

Coming in contact with it means instant death. The soul of a mere human simply 'returns to the source,' so to speak. In other words, it gets sucked into the Root."

KnK
—I don't fully understand, he said. You're saying that you are the original pattern, the original model of which Shiki and SHIKI are both derivatives.
—Correct. I am the essence of Ryougi Shiki. The essence which does not appear. Since the fleshly body is indeed unable to "think," and since that is all I am, under normal circumstances I would simply have rotted away in that thoughtless state without ever rising to the surface. Essentially I am just " ". And that which is " " can have neither intellect nor significance. Normally.

But I was born a Ryougi, which is not a normal circumstance. The members of the Ryougi family bestowed an intellect upon me. Upon that hollow, thoughtless thing. They had plans for their daughter: they wanted to make Ryougi Shiki into an all-capable human being. So they tried to inculcate her with various personalities, and in the course of that they awakened me. The "original pattern", as you said, of her intellect. As the ground for everything that came afterward, I then created Shiki. She and he.
Ah, he said. Let slip a sigh. The twinned Shiki, yin and yang, good and evil. It was not antagonism which divided them. Aozaki Touko, the magus, had described it otherwise. That they were divided insofar as each comprehended all the attributes it possibly could.
A real comedy of errors has brought me here, you know. In truth I should have been a premature birth and perished like that, nothing more. Instead I ended up obtaining a "self" of sorts.
—The simple truth is that I was born dead. Perhaps brain-dead would be more accurate. Normally a newborn will have an infant's body, and this body in turn will be quickened by the first stirring of what's to become its intellect. I did not have that; I was born with nothing whatsoever. By rights I should have died immediately. That which is near to " " simply must not be born bodily into the world. You heard this from Touko, didn't you? The world itself wards off anything that might disrupt it. Ordinarily, indeed, I should not have been born at all.

—Ordinarily a creature whose being is poured out straight from " " simply dies in its mother's womb. That was my case. But the Ryougi clan possessed a technique for keeping such a thing alive.

So I was born, alive, but without so much as a stirring of intellect. " " is utter nullity, and thus an intellectual nullity as well. I should simply have "lived" with no cognition of the outside world.

But not only did they keep me alive, they woke me up.They did not implant some readymade personality into me. They awakened the " " which is my origin. The outside world was thrust upon me. I - the void and vacant "I" - was forced to look at it. I found it an eyesore. I found it altogether too troublesome. So I in turn thrust it upon those two.

—It was only natural. The outside world, if you could call it that, was the most wearisome thing imaginable. Because it was, all of it, down to the last of its innumerable atoms, "already known" to me.

[Removed a long list of text all of which is about this same chunk]


—I am a hollow container which only gazes inward, which communes solely with death - in other words with what Magi call the "Root", though I see no value in it whatsoever.
TheUnshakableOne
TheUnshakableOne
I know your bust so I highlighted the relevant parts. I can post a lot more too but those were the most obvious that required the least amount of understanding of Inverse terminology

Edit: I suppose a counter argument could be that sense the Root is all of existence and everything that does exist. The character I'm the story are all just extensions of it like avatars? Maybe? So connecting too it is just connecting to itself? And simulating and comprehending it is just simulating and comprehending it's ownself?

Edit 2: I believe that last one is the most report in my opinion.
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