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Mageman460

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    typemoon.fandom.com

    Fate/complete material III

    Fate/complete material III World material. (フェイト/コンプリートマテリアル3ワールドマテリアル?) is the third of five Fate/complete material books, released on October 29, 2010. Record of Heaven's Feel - Details on the nature, history, and rules of the Holy Grail War, Servants, and Noble Phantasms. The Servants of the...
    typemoon.fandom.com typemoon.fandom.com
    Fate/complete material III: World material - Theory of Magic - Magecraft: "Magic" making the impossible possible, p.048​
    "Magic" making the impossible possible
    True Magic. This is a different mystery than magery. Magi call the events that are unachievable by magery and science in that age True Magic. If that event could be achieved by time and resources, then no matter the difficulty, that event will not be seen as True Magic.
    When the civilization of mankind was still young, all magery had been True Magic. But along with the advancement of science, the number of things that "could be done" by people had increased, and in exchange, True Magic diminished. The number of remaining "True Magics" in the modern era are extremely few, only 5. In "Fate/stay night", the achievement of one of these, the "Third True Magic", occupied the portion of the Grail War that could also be said to be its base.
    All magi strive to arrive at "True Magic". Even if they can't reach it, the next generation will. Even the next generation can't reach it, then the one after....and like that, thus was weaved the history of trial and error of magery.

    Fifth True MagicThe True Magic that the Traveling Magician Aozaki Aoko inherited from her grandfather. Its nickname is "Magic Blue." The user Aozaki Aoko is average as a magus but displays transcendence with destruction. Because of this trait, there is a rumor that "Magic Blue" is also a True Magic involving destruction.


    Note from me: Also there is a particular statement.

    First True MagicOne of the oldest True Magics but the details about it are unknown. What it involves appears to be common knowledge to some magi of privileged rank. Though the wielder of the First Magic is already passed from this World, it is said that a personage who is of direct descent narrowly survives.
    Kisaragi_Megumi
    Wait, which comment are you referring here? I have a feeling that you're not referring to my reply with Violatas
    Mageman460
    Mageman460
    My guy, basically any post you've made about Nasu stuff since 4D Mystery was added has included a complaint about 4D Invulnerability, but you've never actually done anything about it. I understand you liked making Nasu match ups, but at some point it gets annoying with how much you complain about it.
    Kisaragi_Megumi
    Kisaragi_Megumi
    I wish i can done something to it but i'm not good it at all for CRT, beside with my knowledge is subpar

    And before you said "then don't talk about it too much and often", i really don't know what to discuss on Nasuverse right now hence i'm never appeared on that thread for how long until Violatas CRT about WoG scaling removal
    Kisaragi_Megumi
    Kisaragi_Megumi
    But anyway thanks for answering, imma dips right now and sorry for the bothersome
    Samlex1234
    then that should be the argument for the discussion rule not Statement. If the rule says not agreeing because you cant prove momoshiki is stronger by a statement because sasuke never fought kaguya. what that discussion is indirectly saying is if you bring a more valid statement that say momoshiki is stronger than kaguya I will give it to you. Which is the state that says isshiki is strongest ever which I brought.
    1 vegeta is greater than Saiyan saga Goku with spirit bomb and genki dama. So your point is irrelevant. And if you are talking saiyan saga vegeta that would mean goku is stronger via sprit bomb and genki.
    2. That would just mean gon is stronger again what is this.

    A naruto
    that would mean deidara is stronger lol if they fight deidara suicidal bombs and boom pain is gone what are trying to argue here.
    Mageman460
    Mageman460
    I honestly don't even understand what you are saying here in the first paragraph.

    1. Vegeta was almost killed by a Spirit Bomb that wasn't even fully charged. But fine, if you don't like that example, Piccolo's Special Beam Cannon one shots Raditz, despite Raditz being far stronger than Piccolo.
    2. Gon is very clearly inferior outside of one move. Said move is slow to charge and very telegraphed. Knuckle himself states all of this in their fight. A main point of that fight was Gon trying to figure out how to solve the weakness of the move. Hence Knuckle > Gon.

    Deidara is stronger with C0, that's it. Pain absolutely bodies him otherwise and likely doesn't even give the opportunity to use C0.

    I feel like you didn't understand the point I was making, so I will say it again.
    Just because Person A has an attack that is > Person B, does not mean Persona A is > Person B. And in inverse, just because Person B > Person A, does not mean they are above Person A's strongest attack.
    Samlex1234
    Samlex1234
    Wow now I know you entered a thread you know nothing about.
    you can actually win against someone who is weaker due to many things. for instance sealing techniques, dura Neg.
    again the case you are using is terrible why because piccolo actually won meaning his much stronger via the canno shot. Again this is not an arguement of what people do in person or how they start fight. This is an argument of greater feat.
    2. you are wrong vsbw has gon stronger than knuckle via strongest atttack . Meaning gon is stronger lol.
    3. If deidara starts with CO . how can pain use his techniques when is dead. Again this is not in chracter argument but who is stronger.
    deidara stronger pain is a smarter fighter lol. But that is not the argument.
    Mageman460
    Mageman460
    It's very simple, you wanted to remove a discussion rule regarding Naruto. As you didn't specify which one, I took your prior postings and context of the actual post to make an educated guess you meant scaling to the ETSB. You want to scale Code, Jigen, and Daemon above Kaguya's ONE TECHNIQUE that gives her a much higher rating than her normal rating at 5-C+ using a supposed statement (that you haven't shown me) that someone is more powerful than Kaguya (or more specifically anyone else Naruto/Sasuke had fought).

    I provided various examples of characters (Vegeta, Raditz, Knuckle, Pain) who are stronger than someone else (Goku, Piccolo, Gon, Deidara), but the weaker character having a special move that is stronger than the original character (Spirit Bomb, Special Beam Cannon, Jajaken, C0).

    My man, I am a Fate fan, I know about all sorts of hax. All the examples I gave are more powerful characters losing to weaker characters (or in some cases getting overpowered by) with a technique that VASTLY enhance their power output.

    2. What? I literally said Gon's fully charged Jajaken (his strongest attack) is above Knuckle. Despite this Knuckle and Gon both consider Knuckle to be superior and more powerful because of the weaknesses of the Jajaken. Knuckle's AP justification even has him as above Chimera Ant Gon.

    3. Pain has statements of being the most powerful member of Akatsuki and feats to back it up too. He is flat out called unbeatable and invincible multiple times, even after the Jiraiya fight. So by your logic, he should be above C0, but he isn't.
    FantaRin_The_First
    Yo. I, um, well... Am planning to do a minor Prisma Illya CRT involving Illya (F/K) and Miyu, and what I am here for is relatively simple... Does a Class Card User gain all of the skills & powers & NPs associated with the servant inside of the class card?

    Basically, my CRT will list down all of Illya and Miyu's Class Card forms in separate tiers and have the abilities and powers associated with the Servant inside of the class in individual tabbers in Illya & Miyu's powers & abilities.

    If you aren't knowledgeable about this stuff... Uh, sorry for bothering you.
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    FantaRin_The_First
    FantaRin_The_First
    Oh, I think my bad English skills came to bite me in the butt. When I mentioned skills, I meant servant skills like battle continuation, presence concealment, etc etc but not actual skills like weapon mastery and martial art mastery. Oh, and you mixed up Install and Includes, they are supposed to go the other way around, me thinks.
    Mageman460
    Mageman460
    Yes they get the skills. The notable exception seems to be Eye of the Mind (True) as it becomes Eye of the Mind (False). This can be seen with Kuro's skill list.
    FantaRin_The_First
    FantaRin_The_First
    Thank you! This will make my Prisma Illya CRT much easier. Thank you for your time.
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