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General DC Comics Discussion Thread

AyOgUyS said:
Sounds good to me.
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Theres also multiple 6D statements for Apokolips and New Genesis too btw

So it's consistent and not outliers if we account that the universe can generate infinite universes that's based off what you do or don't do/infinite points across the timeline etc. Give you a peak of 5D DC universes that imo can only be reached by creating universes meaning you've created the mechanism allowing for it, timestream related fuckery or affect the whole multiverse which has those things which would amount to the baseline "space and time" of DC

And then you have private dimensions with multiple 6D statements and being beyond space and time and you now have newer more consistent stuff for DC and not low 2-C hell


On that note destroying the universe is a low 2C feat because there's no proof you destroyed all those other realities just the one you're in UNLESS you somehow destroy the history of the universe (it happened in the 90s when Darkseid was pulled from the timestream causing the future and whatnot to collapse backwards)
 
KirbyFan03 said:
Theres also multiple 6D statements for Apokolips and New Genesis too btw

So it's consistent and not outliers if we account that the universe can generate infinite universes that's based off what you do or don't do/infinite points across the timeline etc. Give you a peak of 5D DC universes that imo can only be reached by creating universes meaning you've created the mechanism allowing for it, timestream related fuckery or affect the whole multiverse which has those things which would amount to the baseline "space and time" of DC

And then you have private dimensions with multiple 6D statements and being beyond space and time and you now have newer more consistent stuff for DC and not low 2-C hell


On that note destroying the universe is a low 2C feat because there's no proof you destroyed all those other realities just the one you're in UNLESS you somehow destroy the history of the universe (it happened in the 90s when Darkseid was pulled from the timestream causing the future and whatnot to collapse backwards)
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The total set of timelines and the total set of quantum offshoot universes produced by a single labeled universe is equivalent to a 6D (1C) structure with the number produced at a single point in the universal timeline being uncountably infinite (Low-1C). These are the two metrics that most heralds will scale to. The entire multiverse and its uncountably infinite labeled universes is as such 7C. We can not use the 6D Apokolips feat as higher dimensions work in the same manner as regular universes, which would mean that the entire set of alternate timelines and quantum offshoot universes of a 6D universe would be 8D.

Wirtzwest said:
DC and Marvel has a lot of continuities which affect the scaling. Unspeakable things will happen when someone attempts to make promethea fit into the larger DC continuity😭
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I read through every comic issue of Alan Moore’s ABC universe back in January and there really is not too much to add to the overall DC cosmology. In the Many Worlds of Tesla Strong it is mentioned that there are infinite universes in the multiverse so there is that. Otherwise, it doesn’t have any higher dimensions and the Kabbalistic stuff from Promethea is mostly metaphorical in nature without much of any evidence of qualitative superiority. Promethea was incorporated into the mainstream DC universe in Justice League of America Vol5 and is now advocated with The Realm of Fables. As such, any of the stuff from Promethea is associated with The Sphere of The Gods and no higher. Overall the ABC Multiverse is just one of the infinite number of multiverses along with Wildstorm and others that exist within the greater Orrery of Worlds.
 
PromptedElephant641 said:
The total set of timelines and the total set of quantum offshoot universes produced by a single labeled universe is equivalent to a 6D (1C) structure with the number produced at a single point in the universal timeline being uncountably infinite (Low-1C). These are the two metrics that most heralds will scale to. The entire multiverse and its uncountably infinite labeled universes is as such 7C. We can not use the 6D Apokolips feat as higher dimensions work in the same manner as regular universes, which would mean that the entire set of alternate timelines and quantum offshoot universes of a 6D universe would be 8D.



I read through every comic issue of Alan Moore’s ABC universe back in January and there really is not too much to add to the overall DC cosmology. In the Many Worlds of Tesla Strong it is mentioned that there are infinite universes in the multiverse so there is that. Otherwise, it doesn’t have any higher dimensions and the Kabbalistic stuff from Promethea is mostly metaphorical in nature without much of any evidence of qualitative superiority. Promethea was incorporated into the mainstream DC universe in Justice League of America Vol5 and is now advocated with The Realm of Fables. As such, any of the stuff from Promethea is associated with The Sphere of The Gods and no higher. Overall the ABC Multiverse is just one of the infinite number of multiverses along with Wildstorm and others that exist within the greater Orrery of Worlds.
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I'd like 8D top tier heralds yeah but personally id like to take things slowly

Heralds were low 2-C
Bim made em 2-A
After a 5D thread was open he and a few friends got 5D top tiers accepted

Personally I feel it'd be a tad bit safer to get to 6D THEN work our way up but I'll hold on the stuff for when you want to propose your stuff
 
KirbyFan03 said:
However i will say that DC as a verse here has benefited greatly from having these 3 already
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It's genuinely baffling to me how bad some of the current profiles are. I was expecting long, in depth justifications for each stat and giant walls of text but instead a lot of profiles just have one or two sentence justifications with barely any scans. You'd think DC COMICS of all verses would have among the most well researched and formatted profiles on the Wiki but I guess not.

Anyway thanks to all the DC supporters who are still alive.
 
AyOgUyS said:
It's genuinely baffling to me how bad some of the current profiles are. I was expecting long, in depth justifications for each stat and giant walls of text but instead a lot of profiles just have one or two sentence justifications with barely any scans. You'd think DC COMICS of all verses would have among the most well researched and formatted profiles on the Wiki but I guess not.

Anyway thanks to all the DC supporters who are still alive.
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DC is under researched af

Because of the sheer volume of content the verse has and some inconsistencies here and there
 
KirbyFan03 said:
I'll take you on cuz

I have all the anti feats on standby!
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Not the paper-level flash anti feat 💔

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PromptedElephant641 said:
I read through every comic issue of Alan Moore’s ABC universe back in January and there really is not too much to add to the overall DC cosmology. In the Many Worlds of Tesla Strong it is mentioned that there are infinite universes in the multiverse so there is that. Otherwise, it doesn’t have any higher dimensions and the Kabbalistic stuff from Promethea is mostly metaphorical in nature without much of any evidence of qualitative superiority. Promethea was incorporated into the mainstream DC universe in Justice League of America Vol5 and is now advocated with The Realm of Fables. As such, any of the stuff from Promethea is associated with The Sphere of The Gods and no higher. Overall the ABC Multiverse is just one of the infinite number of multiverses along with Wildstorm and others that exist within the greater Orrery of Worlds.
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As they journey across the spiritual realms they reach the realm of God's. One of the gods is of hindu origin wearing beads of which each bead represents a layer of reality each greater than the next(read the book a long time ago so not not clear). Also it has the highest sphere of the keter having many names of the top Beings in their respective religions. It has high scaling properties including the fact that the immateria is a deeper and truer world than reality itself.
 
Wirtzwest said:
As they journey across the spiritual realms they reach the realm of God's. One of the gods is of hindu origin wearing beads of which each bead represents a layer of reality each greater than the next(read the book a long time ago so not not clear). Also it has the highest sphere of the keter having many names of the top Beings in their respective religions. It has high scaling properties including the fact that the immateria is a deeper and truer world than reality itself.
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Since ABC was merged with main DC continuity, Immaterial has become part of The Sphere of The Gods as of the Rebirth era. I am not disputing the fact that the depiction of God in the Promethea series is easily Tier 0 which would just be used as more evidence for Tier 0 Presence. The interesting part about Promethea is the rest of the Tree of Life below Keter, which now that it is part of the main cosmology, Immaterial could make The Sphere of The Gods multiple layers into High-1A. Already as is, the realms of The Sphere of The Gods are designed to allow for spiritual transcendence far beyond what they themselves are tiered. (kind of like achieving CHIM and then Amaranth in The Elder Scrolls) As such the Sphere of The Gods already fits well with the spirituality of Promethea. This also fits in perfectly with DeMatteis stuff which also has mechanisms that allows for beings to “return” to the Godhead. After looking it over again briefly, there is a lot of stuff that Promethea brings to the wider Cosmology; however, it will be a long time before it can be properly integrated into the system as there are lots of other things in DC that are in bad shape and need fixing first before such a massive change can be added.
 
PromptedElephant641 said:
Since ABC was merged with main DC continuity, Immaterial has become part of The Sphere of The Gods as of the Rebirth era. I am not disputing the fact that the depiction of God in the Promethea series is easily Tier 0 which would just be used as more evidence for Tier 0 Presence. The interesting part about Promethea is the rest of the Tree of Life below Keter, which now that it is part of the main cosmology, Immaterial could make The Sphere of The Gods multiple layers into High-1A. Already as is, the realms of The Sphere of The Gods are designed to allow for spiritual transcendence far beyond what they themselves are tiered. (kind of like achieving CHIM and then Amaranth in The Elder Scrolls) As such the Sphere of The Gods already fits well with the spirituality of Promethea. This also fits in perfectly with DeMatteis stuff which also has mechanisms that allows for beings to “return” to the Godhead. After looking it over again briefly, there is a lot of stuff that Promethea brings to the wider Cosmology; however, it will be a long time before it can be properly integrated into the system as there are lots of other things in DC that are in bad shape and need fixing first before such a massive change can be added.
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Well Said.
 
Marvel is out here with Tokkon and Rivals and DC decides that instead of making an actual game that people would like to play that instead they're doing a crappy mobile fighting game. Absolute clownery. Especially so with how they're wasting the DC: KO concept on this shit.
 
AcidSilver said:
Marvel is out here with Tokkon and Rivals and DC decides that instead of making an actual game that people would like to play that instead they're doing a crappy mobile fighting game. Absolute clownery. Especially so with how they're wasting the DC: KO concept on this shit.
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If it's like marvel future fight, l will play it 👀
 
Hey, we should upgrade Batman, Athame, the Night Judge, Batman 1A, or High 1A Superman and Wonder Woman in these versions, also considering their powers, they were born from the egg that was the sum of a bunch of 1A weapons and High 1A. Both Marvel and DC, among these, include the Spear of Destiny, the Infinity Gauntlet, the Book of Destiny, and the Cosmic Cube. The six elements of the Marvel Universe are the Supreme Nullifier; the evil eye of Avalon; Watoomb's wand; the Chest of Ancient Winters; the Cosmic Cube; and the Infinity Gauntlet.
 
Aftshhhrrgjbv said:
Hey, we should upgrade Batman, Athame, the Night Judge, Batman 1A, or High 1A Superman and Wonder Woman in these versions, also considering their powers, they were born from the egg that was the sum of a bunch of 1A weapons and High 1A. Both Marvel and DC, among these, include the Spear of Destiny, the Infinity Gauntlet, the Book of Destiny, and the Cosmic Cube. The six elements of the Marvel Universe are the Supreme Nullifier; the evil eye of Avalon; Watoomb's wand; the Chest of Ancient Winters; the Cosmic Cube; and the Infinity Gauntlet.
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That’s not we do things here. We cannot use the crossover scaling from JLA / Avengers to scale a bunch of DC characters to characters and artifacts from Marvel.

If a key for post Cosmic-Egg Krona were to be made then it would scale as follows: before he started losing power, he was comparable to The World Spirit of Earth which as the sentience of Earth is the embodiment of all of it’s Parliaments and is a member of The Parliament of Worlds. This would give him a 1A rating.
 
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PromptedElephant641 said:
Así no es como hacemos las cosas aquí. No podemos usar la escala de crossover de JLA/Avengers para escalar un montón de personajes de DC a personajes y artefactos de Marvel.

Si se creara una clave para Krona después del Huevo Cósmico, su nivel sería el siguiente: antes de que comenzara a perder poder, era comparable al Espíritu del Mundo de la Tierra, que, como la consciencia de la Tierra, es la encarnación de todos sus Parlamentos y miembro del Parlamento de los Mundos. Esto le otorgaría una calificación de 1A.
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I want to say this crossover is explicitly canon since it's part of the entire Trinity arc, as this plot only exists because of the end of that crossover. It even explicitly mentions that the egg doesn't form on its own in the DC Universe.
I don't think the entire crossover was canon, but this one definitely is.

Besides, Crona should scale up the machine he used, which would merge the complete DC and Marvel cosmologies. And an upgrade for Hall Specto, since he briefly stopped
 
I've said it once and I'll say it again: we should not scale characters based off crossovers but rather the feats they perform in their own stories. Crossovers typically greatly alter the statistics of characters and completely disregard consistency for the sake of a more interesting story.
 
AyOgUyS said:
Lo he dicho una vez y lo repito: no deberíamos evaluar a los personajes basándonos en los crossovers, sino en las hazañas que realizan en sus propias historias. Los crossovers suelen alterar considerablemente las estadísticas de los personajes y descuidan por completo la coherencia en aras de una historia más interesante.
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Checking the crossover, it doesn't seem to change much for Krona during the weapon-powered crossover.
And supposedly after Egg empowered him and Trinity, they only fought each other, so I don't see a big contradiction, but I guess I'll respect it if they do it here.
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AyOgUyS said:
I've said it once and I'll say it again: we should not scale characters based off crossovers but rather the feats they perform in their own stories. Crossovers typically greatly alter the statistics of characters and completely disregard consistency for the sake of a more interesting story.
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Animal Man possibly High1A+ soon.
 
PromptedElephant641 said:
That’s not we do things here. We cannot use the crossover scaling from JLA / Avengers to scale a bunch of DC characters to characters and artifacts from Marvel.

If a key for post Cosmic-Egg Krona were to be made then it would scale as follows: before he started losing power, he was comparable to The World Spirit of Earth which as the sentience of Earth is the embodiment of all of it’s Parliaments and is a member of The Parliament of Worlds. This would give him a 1A rating.
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Forgive me if I’m unaware of something, but has it ever been confirmed that she is part of Parlamentos? Because as far as I know, Parlamentos is something distinct from her.
 
AyOgUyS said:
I've said it once and I'll say it again: we should not scale characters based off crossovers but rather the feats they perform in their own stories. Crossovers typically greatly alter the statistics of characters and completely disregard consistency for the sake of a more interesting story.
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Unless said crossover takes place in canon history aka the black suit spiderman/superboy prime story
 
AyOgUyS said:
I've said it once and I'll say it again: we should not scale characters based off crossovers but rather the feats they perform in their own stories. Crossovers typically greatly alter the statistics of characters and completely disregard consistency for the sake of a more interesting story.
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That's usually the case but Avengers/JLA is explicitly a canon crossover for both sides.
 
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