Adding HDE to the gods (Instant Death)

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This topic aims to add HDE to the gods.

I will also be busy these days.

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The bodies of the gods are not essential to their existence; rather, they are merely temporary bodies. No matter what happens to the body, it will not affect their existence.

They were only possessing temporary vessels anyway, so no matter what happened to the vessel itself, it wouldn’t affect their existence as gods in the slightest.
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Though her body was only built to reproduce the appearance of a person.
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The gods transcend human understanding.

But even though Mana was a divine being beyond human comprehension, she had been killed.

But the Dark God is a monster that transcends human understanding.
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Gods are transcendent beings.

“To answer what a god is, that would be a transcendent being capable of interfacing directly with the underlying building blocks of the world, I suppose.
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The gods perceive things according to the weight of their existence. To the gods, human beings are nothing at all. The gods can scarcely even see humans; they are like ants—or even less. The gods barely perceive their presence, as though humans were absolutely nothing to them.

"Gods like us perceive things based on the weight of your existence. Your existence is so light that, without paying careful attention, we would fail to notice you. I spend a great deal of time thinking about ants like you, so you could consider me something of an entomologist.”
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The gods are higher-dimensional beings, and no matter how powerful a human or any other living being becomes, they can never overcome the dimensional barrier that separates them. Even the most powerful attack could do nothing against it, because the difference between them lies in the very hierarchy of dimensions themselves.

"Take this!" Frederica swung the staff downwards, pointing it at the spawn. The sphere of light, condensed to the size of a fist, flew at the creature at a terrifying speed. Without even sparing it a glance, the spawn swung around and snatched it out of the air.Frederica froze. Her mind couldn't keep up with the reality unfolding before her. This was the best she had to offer, an attack with all of her power behind it, and yet the spawn had crushed it in a single hand without any apparent thought or effort."That was quite impressive for a human. If it had hit, it might even have left a burn," a young boy remarked, standing in front of Frederica. He had appeared there at some point, unnoticed, casually standing with his hands behind his head and a big smile on his face. "But if you can't get past the Dimensional Wall, nothing you do will matter.”
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So far, I have established that the gods are higher-dimensional beings relative to humans. Even the lowest-ranking god in the divine hierarchy would be a 4D being.

• Ranks of the Gods

Now I will move on to explaining the hierarchy among the gods themselves. Even among the gods, there are different levels.

"I'm a god, and you're a god too. However, there's a spectrum even among gods. I'm more toward the pinnacle, and you're at the base, just starting to climb the ladder to godhood.”
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You seem to be a higher-level being than I first thought. I did not expect something like this," the UEG called out to him.
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“I do love my brother very much, but that doesn’t mean I’m foolish enough to believe he couldn’t die. He was weaker than I am, so if he tried to take on a higher-ranked god, he might not have been able to manage it. I’ve worried about something like this happening for a while.”
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After escaping the Underworld, he’d been picked up by a god calling himself Zakuro, who had set Haruto free after treating him, but Haruto had agreed to his request to help look for something afterwards.“So, this god named Zakuro is looking for an even higher-ranked god, and you’re helping him with that.”“To put it simply, yes. Zakuro gave me a number of possible locations to search. This was one of them. Is that enough explanation for why I’m here?”
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The gods possess omnipotence. Since there are different levels among the gods, there are likewise different levels of omnipotence. An omnipotence of a lower level cannot affect or overcome an omnipotence of a higher level.

So, let's ignore the finer details for now and consider them as quasi-omniscient and quasi-omnipotent beings.
There are many beings that possess something resembling omniscience and omnipotence, and they have ranks and levels.
In other words, a being with higher-ranked omniscience and omnipotence cannot be defeated by one of a lower rank."
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Now I will explain the differences between the levels of the gods. In other words, I will show how a higher-level god transcends a lower-level god, and the extent to which a higher-level god surpasses all lower-level gods and other lower-order beings in terms of omnipotence.

Kyuuzaburou's sword was one of the exceptions within the world of the Final Series. The defining attribute of this sword was that it was capable of cutting through anything, earning it the title "Destroyer and Cleaver of Worlds."

Fine. I’ll cut him up for you.” Kyuuzaburou had no idea where the
Great Sage was, nor did he have any way to travel to find him. If Saiz was
willing to take him to meet the Great Sage, Kyuuzaburou was more than
happy to oblige. “Take me there and consider it done.”
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What makes this sword unique is that it is one of the exceptions within the world of the Final Series. This means that the sword is capable of destroying any world, no matter what it is, as long as it exists within the Final Series, as well as anything else.

You said it. But this sword alone is uniquely sharp. I can’t say there’s
anything it’s ever been unable to cut. It’s honestly so good at it, it ends up
cutting things I didn’t want to.”
“I see. So you think it’ll be able to cut me too?”
“Lord Mitsuki! That man is telling the truth!” The woman beside the
Great Sage began to panic. “That sword is an exception in the Ultimate
Ensemble World!
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This sword was able to defeat Alexia with a single strike, even though she was among the highest-ranking gods. With a single swing, it split her, her armor, space itself, and the entire world in two.

All right, let’s do this.” Kyuuzaburou swung the sword in a wide sweep
from right to left. It was a huge swing, though still far too distant to actually
reach its target. He didn’t know at exactly what point the sword’s special
properties began to apply, but as the tip passed by his own side, it started to
slice through space itself.
The world itself was coming apart. The woman jumped in front of the
blade as if to protect the Great Sage, stretching out her hands to create a
barrier. But there was no way a barrier like that would save them. The blade
was already slicing through space itself and therefore had no issue passing
through the barrier and the woman herself. Her face twisted in shock. She
had known full well what the sword was, but it seemed she still hadn’t fully
believed in its power before seeing it for herself.
The Great Sage lifted his left hand to intercept the sword, no doubt
intending to block it. But what was attacking him wasn’t just a sword blade;
it was a phenomenon splitting apart space itself. There was no way to
defend against it, no one who had ever come close. As huge of a deal it was
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Now I will talk about Kyuuzaburou's battle against the Great Sage.

First, the Great Sage perceives the entire world as nothing more than a dream or an illusion. To him, everything is merely part of a dream. Kyuuzaburou's sword split the entire world apart, but the moment its blade reached the Great Sage's hand, it came to a complete stop. This was impossible, since the sword was one of the exceptions. However, the Great Sage was also an exception.
To the Great Sage, the entire world is nothing more than a dream. The sword, Kyuuzaburou, and everyone else are merely characters within that dream. Even if it appears as though the world has been destroyed on the surface, you can never reach its true essence. A mere character within a dream cannot destroy the dream itself.

The tear in space began to mend. Even the woman who had been sliced
in two returned to normal. It was like time was rewinding just for
everything the sword had touched.
“What the...hell... How did you do that?!”
“It’s pretty simple. This world is a dream that I’m seeing. You and your
sword are nothing more than parts of my imagination. So even if it looks
like you’re destroying the world on the surface, you can’t actually get to the
core of it. It would be weird if you, no more than a character in my dream,
could destroy the dream itself, right?”
“There’s no way that’s true. How many worlds do you think I’ve
traveled through? Ten thousand doesn’t even come close. A hundred million
might be getting there. Are you telling me those were all a dream?! There’s
no way that’s possible!”
Though he had entirely forgotten most of them, he knew full well that he
had experienced countless worlds. Even the ones he remembered defied
counting. He couldn’t believe all of that had been part of the Great Sage’s
dream.
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Kyuuzaburou could not believe that the entire world was nothing more than the Great Sage's dream. He could not comprehend that his entire existence, his life, and all the worlds he had visited were merely parts of that dream. His sword was destroyed, and he lost the battle simply because the Great Sage wanted it that way.

he couldn’t help but find the Great Sage’s words to be believable.
So did that mean he needed to accept he was just a fleeting, transient
existence himself? There was no way he could do that. Once he accepted
that fact, his whole sense of being would be shaken. His entire identity
would collapse. No matter what he witnessed, he couldn’t accept that fact.
“Th-That’s right! You mentioned an exception earlier, didn’t you?! That
means my power works in every world! An exception is something that
operates the same, no matter how different the laws of the individual world
are!”
“Yeah. But even if you’re right about that, it doesn’t give you any proof
that you aren’t a part of my dream.”
No matter what excuses Kyuuzaburou tried to make, the fact was that
his attack had failed. If he wanted to prove the Great Sage to be a liar, he
needed to do so with actions.
Kyuuzaburou roared, rushing forward, grasping for the one small ray of
hope he could still see. If the blade of his sword made physical contact, it
might just work. His only option was to cling to that vague, uncertain
notion. The woman beside him started to move, but the Great Sage stopped
her. Kyuuzaburou brought his sword down on him with a downward slash
aimed at his forehead. The Great Sage made no effort to dodge or to defend
himself. The blade struck...and shattered. The top half of the sword snapped
off and flew away, and at the same time, Kyuuzaburou’s heart broke.
“Sorry. I would have liked to get cut in two for you, but I just can’t
imagine that happening. And anything I can’t imagine can’t exist in this
world.”
Kyuuzaburou fell to his knees. He knew now that he had no chance at
winning.
“Is that all? I won’t kill you or anything, so you’re free to do what you
like.” Having lost all interest in Kyuuzaburou, the Great Sage turned his
attention to Yogiri.
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The entire world is nothing more than a dream to the Great Sage. If he forgets the existence of someone, that person will completely disappear from all of history, as if they had never existed. No character within his dream can kill him. Even though Alexia warned the Great Sage about Yogiri, he could not accept that a mere character within his dream could be capable of killing him.

So because it’s your dream, if you forget someone exists, they
disappear?”
“Exactly. I don’t really need to use something this extreme, but I thought
I’d make it a bit of a show. It only moves as fast as I can throw it, so if you
try hard enough, you should be able to dodge it. Okay, let’s start.”
“Please wait!” As the Great Sage made to throw the ball of light, Alexi
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case! As I attempt to investigate further, my will to investigate disappears! I
am forced to turn my eyes away! There must be something at work on me,
some kind of protection for him! I have given everything I have to you,
Lord Mitsuki. I gave you all of my power, all of my being, leaving me only
a hollow shell of what I once was. But even so, there is still something left
in me! Something fundamental to my being, something I cannot separate
from myself!”
“I see,” Mitsuki replied. “So what do you think I should do?”
“Let us return this boy to his home world! Leave the dead as they are
and restart the world without them! There is no need for us to expose
ourselves to this kind of danger!”
“Hmm. Coming from you, of all people, that is pretty persuasive. But
that doesn’t change that this is my world. There’s no way a character in my
dream can kill me.
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If the Great Sage dies, the entire world will also be destroyed. Naturally, if the dreamer dies, the entire dream will come to an end. Since the world is part of the Great Sage's dream, his death would mean the end of the world.

Even if he could, that would just mean the world was
destroyed, right?”
The Great Sage’s words made Yogiri realize something. If this world
was actually a dream the Great Sage was having, what would happen to it if
Yogiri used his power to kill him? Normally, one would expect the whole
thing to disappear, which meant Yogiri would be killed too. That would be
entirely pointless.
“Please!”
“Stop getting in the way,” the Great Sage replied, making Alexia go
stiff. Whatever Alexia had been trying to do, the Great Sage had stopped
her. It was like time had frozen for her alone. “Sorry. Things have started
looking pretty sloppy, haven’t they?”
“It’s fine,” Yogiri replied. “This’ll be over pretty fast anyway.”
What would happen if he killed the Great Sage? How much of an impact
would that have on the world? Yogiri believed he was telling the truth, and
killing the Great Sage would lead to the world being destroyed. So he
released the seal on his powers. He opened the second gate, and beyond it
the third gate, unleashing the full extent of his own abilities. There was now
nothing limiting him, returning him to his natural state.
Killing the Great Sage would destroy the world. If Mitsuki and this
world were so closely linked, even Yogiri’s second level wouldn’t be
enough to deal with him.
“This time I’m attacking for real, okay?” The Great Sage threw the ball
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Mitsuki unleashed the erasure lightning toward Yogiri, so Yogiri used his power to kill the connection between the dream and the dreamer. This caused the Great Sage to become disconnected from the entirety of reality. He was completely separated from reality and became merely a consciousness that exists only to sustain the existence of the world.
The god Kouryu explained exactly what happened: the Great Sage was now incapable of reaching his dream or controlling it. It is similar to someone losing the means to control a game and no longer being able to interact with or manipulate that game. That is precisely what happened here.

Before that, the Great Sage was calm and did not feel any fear when the entire world suddenly became dark. He believed that he could simply restart the entire world like a game, because the whole world was nothing more than a dream. The death of a character within your dream means nothing to you, and you would not grieve if your character died inside a game because you can revive it and return again.
The Great Sage was omnipotent, so he was merely enjoying himself and did not even realize that he had lost against Takato Yogiri.

of light like he was playing a game of catch.
Yogiri activated his power.
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Mitsuki was in the dark.
Though he was utterly confused, he was far from worried. For someone
omnipotent, as he was, there was no such thing as fear. He could enjoy
anything that happened to him.
“Did he do something to me?”
He tried to recall the previous events. He had thrown the erasure bolt,
but Yogiri had made no attempt to avoid it. If he had, the attack would have
followed him anyway, but Mitsuki hadn’t bothered explaining that. He
didn’t remember seeing the attack land, so something must have happened
before it made contact.
“He must have done something. But I really have no idea what.”
“Let me tell you.”
Mitsuki turned around at the sound of a person’s voice. Standing within
the darkness was a young man. He seemed a little familiar. He was one of
the gods that had ruled over this world before Mitsuki had arrived and
turned it into his own dream.
“You were one of the gods here before Malnarilna, right?”
“That’s right. And I’m the current god too. After all that’s happened, I’ve
taken up the name Kouryu, so please call me that.”
“Kouryu, is it? Why are you here?”
“Because things have finally gone the way I was hoping. I wanted to see
you off, just to put the icing on the cake.”
Mitsuki figured Kouryu was talking about taking back the Heavenly
Throne after Malnarilna’s death. Once Mitsuki reset the world, all that
would be undone again, but Kouryu should have known that. If he wanted
to bask in the glory he had achieved while he still had the chance, Mitsuki
was happy to let him do so. Nothing Kouryu was saying bothered him in the
least.
“So, what exactly happened?” Mitsuki asked.
“You should be able to figure that much out on your own, shouldn’t
you?”
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“I like to hear things from other people, though.” If he decided he
wanted to know something, he could learn anything in the world instantly,
but there was no fun in that. He preferred to learn things by conversing with
others, no matter how trivial those things were. It was much more fun that
way.
“Then I guess I’ll talk with you for a bit. The answer is actually quite
simple. You lost to Yogiri Takatou. Your attack never reached him.”
“Really? That’s interesting! I guess it was worth meeting him face-to
face after all! I never expected something like this!”
“You seem pretty laid-back for having lost,” Kouryu remarked.
“I mean, it’s all a dream anyway. I can reset the game whenever I want.
There’s no point getting upset because my character in the game died, is
there?”
After a short silence, Kouryu burst out laughing, barely able to stay
standing through the fit of hysterics. “A game! It’s all a game, is it?! I guess
it kind of looks that way! Yeah, I get it.”
“Did I say something strange? You realize I’m not dead, right?” That
was obvious. The fact that he could still think meant he couldn’t be dead.
“Yeah, you’re right. You aren’t dead. Yogiri Takatou didn’t kill you.
That’s why he had to use his full power.”
“So what?” Mitsuki was getting a little bit irritated with the way Kouryu
was dodging around what he was really trying to say, dropping hints but
never telling the truth outright.
“If you died, the world would end. If you hadn’t told him that, maybe
things wouldn’t have turned out this way. Well, actually, I’m not sure about
that either. Yogiri Takatou is one of the regulating forces in the Ensemble
World, so it would be a much bigger problem if he died.”
“Can you just come out with it?”
“You said you prefer hearing things from other people, right? If you’re
tired of listening to me, just figure it out for yourself. This is your world.
You’re omnipotent. Everything goes the way you want it to, right?”
He was right. Mitsuki didn’t know why Kouryu was here, but he had no
need to rely on some minor god to figure anything out.
“Alexia!” the Great Sage called out, his voice swallowed by the all
encompassing darkness. Alexia did not appear. There was no response. She
was a woman whose greatest joy in life was answering the Great Sage’s
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every desire, who always appeared in the blink of an eye to hear his every
word, but she didn’t even respond.
“Come on, don’t you remember? You froze her in time. There’s no way
she can reply to you!”
“Alexia, you have my permission to move again!” Accepting that he had
made a foolish mistake, he called out to her again, but there was still no
answer.
“Hmm. You didn’t really treat her very nicely back there,” Kouryu
suggested. “Maybe she’s off sulking somewhere?”
“That’s impossible! Alexia loves me! She would do anything for me,
any time!” Mitsuki’s irritation was starting to blossom into anger.
“Why don’t you try doing something for yourself for once?” Kouryu
suggested. “You’re always leaving things to other people because you just
can’t be bothered, aren’t you?”
Alexia wasn’t replying. That was a fact. So Mitsuki relented,
investigating the situation for himself.
“What’s wrong?” Kouryu asked. “Just look it up yourself. You’re
basically omniscient, right?” Kouryu was making a poor attempt at hiding
his mockery, inflaming Mitsuki’s frustration.
But he wasn’t really sure where to start investigating. Even if he called
himself omniscient, he couldn’t know every fact at every time. Maybe if he
tried, he actually could, but the effort would be exhausting. The trick was to
learn only the information you were immediately curious about, to focus on
the fact you wanted to learn alone. Normally, doing so would cause the
information he was looking for to float up in the back of his mind, but now
nothing was happening.
“What’s going on?!” Mitsuki exclaimed.
“Oh, is something the matter? You can’t figure it out?”
“Shut up!” he reflexively attempted to erase Kouryu, a rather direct use
of his power, one that he hadn’t used in quite a while.
But Kouryu didn’t disappear. That smirk was still directed straight at
him. “As an order from the Great Sage himself, I’d really like to obey it, but
for some reason, I can’t. I wonder why that is?”
Mitsuki had no desire to spend another moment with some lowly god
from the previous era. He decided to go back home. Everything was just his
imagination. Whatever he thought became reality. The moment he thought
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to return home, he should have appeared there. And yet, he was still
standing in this empty void.
“Why?!” he shouted. He tried to make some light, to return to the Meld
Plains he had just come from, to call his friends. None of it worked. The
world around him remained as it was, steady and unrelenting darkness.
“Please...just tell me. What is going on?” Mitsuki began to beg. He had
finally understood that there was nothing he could do.
“Since you’re asking so nicely, I guess I have to tell you,” Kouryu
replied. “Yogiri Takatou killed the relationship between you and the world.”
“What?” Mitsuki didn’t understand what that meant. He could
understand the idea of killing a living thing. Even the idea of killing a
phenomenon like gravity made sense, in a vague sort of way. But what did
it mean to kill a relationship?
“If the world is a dream someone is seeing, how do you avoid that
person’s influence?” Kouryu asked. “By cutting them off from the dream.
Make it so that they can’t influence the dreamworld. At least, that must
have been Yogiri’s conclusion.”
“What do you mean?”
“You said this was like a game before, right? If we stick to that example,
it’s like Yogiri broke your controller. Basically, you can’t do anything
anymore.”
Understanding was slowly dawning on him. Mitsuki was starting to
realize what had happened. And as that understanding set in, fear was not
far behind.
“Okay then, I think I’ve explained enough to you, so I’m going to be on
my way. I’m sure you’re about to break down into all kinds of terror and
confusion, but I’m not so twisted as to watch the whole thing.” Kouryu
disappeared, leaving Mitsuki alone in the darkness.
The Great Sage tried to die, but he couldn’t. Right now, he didn’t even
have a physical form. He was nothing more than a disembodied
consciousness, separated from reality. He had become only the dreamer,
merely a tool that was necessary to sustain the world.
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The Great Sage lost and became nothing more than a disembodied consciousness, completely separated from reality. He became merely the dreamer, a necessary existence required only for the continuation of the dream.

This world has a god; in fact, every world has its own god who governs it. The world in which the events of the story take place is governed by the god Kouryu, and at the beginning of the story, it was governed by the gods Malna and Relna.

Nice to see you again. So, who will you send next? It seems the otherworldly witch Miranda has fled.”
“She ran to another world, so there’s nothing we can do.”
“We are the gods of this world, after all.”
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For a moment she didn’t recognize the place, but she quickly realized she was in the Heavenly Throne, a place used to manage the world that she rarely visited. The world was mostly self-operating, so unless large-scale changes were required, there wasn’t much use for this place.
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world-crossing witch, this place alone meant nothing to her.
“I’ll take over as god for you,” Kouryu snickered. “Don’t worry, it’s
nothing I haven’t done before.”
“Th-That’s not what I mean! They will... This...world...”
But Malna disappeared, unable to explain anything.
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The Great Sage was previously considered Tier 1-A in this community due to R>F, but because of some contradictions, he was downgraded. The reason was that the Great Sage's power came through an increase in quantity.
The Great Sage was originally just an ordinary human. He was also beautiful, and because of his beauty, he gained the love of the higher gods. One of the top three highest gods, out of her great affection for him, granted him her power. He acquired the power of three higher gods, which resulted in him gaining divinity and obtaining omnipotence.
The power he received surpassed even the higher gods themselves. As I explained previously, an omnipotence of a lower level cannot affect an omnipotence of a higher level, and this is what made the Great Sage superior to all the higher gods.

They were three goddesses of equal power. None of them could directly interfere with Mitsuki, so the winner of his affection was entirely up to him.
With no other recourse, the three goddesses called a truce, allowing all of their interactions with Mitsuki to be observed by the others and to be restricted in how much time they could spend with him.
After this agreement, the three goddesses did everything in their power to win Mitsuki’s favor. They gave him gifts, they gave him power, they granted his every wish.
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Alexia had greatly weakened herself, and it looked like she had no chance in the conflict any longer. However, it also resulted in Mitsuki having more power than the goddesses.”
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Mitsuki had been freed. Though he had been granted nigh omnipotence, at heart he was just a boy with good looks. With far more power than he could handle, a long life of trial and error in figuring out how to make use of those abilities followed.”
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The Great Sage obtained omnipotence, and it was at a higher level even compared to the higher gods themselves. His power completely surpassed the gods.

The purpose of all this explanation is to clarify the difference between the ranks within the hierarchy of gods: the difference is a dimensional difference. The higher a god rises on the ladder of divinity, the greater the weight of their existence becomes.

The mistake of using R>F is that it is intended to explain this concept exactly. The gap between a lower god and a higher god is so enormous that it can make it seem as though the higher god achieves an R>F relationship over all beings beneath them, and even over the world itself.

I will continue the explanation now:

The higher a god's level becomes, the more ambiguous their perception of time becomes. The past and future begin to blend together, and the distinction between them is no longer clear. This also contributes to proving that as a god rises higher in the hierarchy of divinity, the weight of their existence increases along with it.

Ah, you're back already? Huh? Has quite some time passed? I see. When you're at my level, even the sense of time becomes vague. Past and future blend together
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The path of divinity, known as the V-Road, is the path that gods follow to ascend between levels.
There are countless gods.

The UEG had never considered that. She had believed gods were
indestructible, eternal beings. She had killed any number of gods, but death
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Every god who rules has a world that they govern and manage, and they possess omnipotence over it. There are countless worlds within the sea, and even the sea itself has gods who rule over it. Beyond that, there are also worlds outside the sea and the greater space, and there is a place that transcends all of this: the higher universes.

She’s totally amazing! She’s the greatest god and rules over the whole sea! She ain’t someone who the likes of you could ever talk to!”
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Worlds existed within Celestial Foundations, and these Foundations existed within the 'sea.' The sea was enormous, containing countless such Foundations, but it was not hard to imagine the existence of worlds outside of it. There were worlds, the space outside them, and another place beyond all of that. Worlds with different fundamental laws all existed nested within each other. That was apparently the structure of the universe. 'Apparently,' because it was impossible to observe the entire thing.
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The higher universes can only be reached by the higher gods. If a god reaches this place, it means they are a being of a much higher level.

You seem to be a higher-level being than I first thought. I did not expect something like this," the UEG called out to him.
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Twitchiro reached the higher universes. His power as a god surpasses the entire sea, reaching the structure of the higher universes, where every higher world contains the lower world, and this continues infinitely. Infinite higher universes are contained within an infinite multiverse of higher universes, and this continues without end.

As I said, the weakest god is the one who governs or possesses power over only a single world. Compared to a higher-level god such as UEG and Twitchiro, who were moving between the higher universes and destroying them, they have destroyed countless numbers of these universes.

What was the point of all that fighting?” The moment they made
physical contact, Touichirou understood the difference in their power. He
understood there was no way he could ever have beaten her.
“Ah, yes, I simply wished to do something exciting! So I will praise
you. You are quite impressive for keeping up with me this long.” The UEG
slowly wound up and threw a punch of her own. Unable to dodge her small
fist, it struck him and blew his head straight off.
His body shattered and dissipated. Their fight, which had destroyed
numerous universes, ended with a single punch.
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A god's level is determined by the number of worlds they can perceive and govern. Perception is important here; anything that a god is incapable of perceiving may as well be completely nonexistent from their perspective. This does not mean that the world itself does not exist, but rather that when you are unable to perceive something, that thing effectively does not exist for you.

For example, humans cannot perceive higher dimensions or things beyond their understanding. To them, such things may seem nonexistent, or they may question their existence because they cannot perceive them. They are completely absent from their perspective, and anything that one cannot perceive cannot be affected by them.

The same concept applies here. Everything depends on perception. If you are incapable of perceiving a certain world or something, then you will not possess power over it and will not be able to influence it; it will effectively be nonexistent to you.

It's about how you perceive the world, but simply put, it's within the scope of cognition. There's practically no world that we cannot be perceive. Of course, I don't mean to make rash statements like something doesn't exist just because we don't understand it. But even if it exists, if it has no impact whatsoever, then it might as well be nonexistent, don't you think? Sure, there might be worlds I can't comprehend, and I can't assert absolute certainty. Just like how you didn't initially grasp my greatness when you first arrived here. By the way, I'm often called the Ultimate God. Tell me to stop saying it? I'm aware it sounds embarrassing, but being able to know all worlds and exert influence, it's inevitable to be called that, don't you think?
Volume 15

The Ultimate God is the strongest god among all gods so far. It is the closest to the top, governing and influencing all possible worlds, and possessing power over all of them.

Ugh, it's a hassle. I tried not to give that impression, but your increased rank makes it harder to conceal. Yeah, probably, I'm the strongest. In which group am I the strongest? Well, as far as I can think, in every possible world, I'm the strongest. Oh, you haven't grasped it at that level. Even though you could understand it now, you're only focused on fighting. Well, I'm free, so I'll
entertain it.
Volume 15

A god's level depends on the scope of their perception and their omnipotence. The higher a god's level of existence becomes, the greater their perception rises, allowing them to perceive the existence of higher worlds and possess power over them. The Absolute God perceives and influences all possible worlds, and even among gods, a lower god cannot perceive the level of existence of a higher god, as the Absolute God pointed out.

The higher your existence rises, the greater your perception becomes, allowing you to perceive things that surpass even the understanding of gods beneath you. In the same way that weaker gods transcend the understanding of humans, a higher god possesses a level of perception that surpasses the perception and comprehension of a lower god. If you cannot perceive something, you cannot influence it; therefore, everything depends on perception itself. The higher your level becomes, the greater the weight of your existence, the scope of your perception, and your omnipotence become. I have already explained the difference between levels of omnipotence in more than one context.

Conclusion:
There are countless gods, and there are countless and endless levels corresponding to all possible worlds that exist within the Final Series. The Final Series is the world that contains all possible worlds.

Oh, by 'world, I mean the Ultimate Ensemble World, including all conceivable worlds. I know, saying just 'world' can lead to discussions about the outside of that world, different dimensions, parallel worlds, and so on. So I don't mess around when I say 'world, I mean it encompasses everything. I hope you understand it that way.

This proves that the worlds themselves are also higher-dimensional worlds, since perceiving them requires raising your level of existence within the hierarchy of divinity. As I explained previously, anything that you cannot perceive, you cannot influence.

• The lower gods: HDE 4D, Possibly HDE 5D
• The higher gods: HDE 6D
• The Great Sage: HDE 7D
• Unknown God: HDE 8D
• Ultimate God: HDE 9D

If this topic is accepted, the range and immortality will be adjusted.

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Agree:
Disagree:
Neutral:

 

[Ultimuru]

Disagree. I'll add explaination later if I don't forget.

 

[Azertyhuuh]

Disagree. I'll add explaination later if I don't forget.

I hope you forget, and I also expected opposition from Tensura fans.

 

[Ultimuru]

I hope you forget, and I also expected opposition from Tensura fans.

I love u too. Hope your pillow will be warm on both sides.

 

[Lloydblitzed]

Sorry but I have to disagree:

Take this!" Frederica swung the staff downwards, pointing it at the spawn. The sphere of light, condensed to the size of a fist, flew at the creature at a terrifying speed. Without even sparing it a glance, the spawn swung around and snatched it out of the air.Frederica froze. Her mind couldn't keep up with the reality unfolding before her. This was the best she had to offer, an attack with all of her power behind it, and yet the spawn had crushed it in a single hand without any apparent thought or effort."That was quite impressive for a human. If it had hit, it might even have left a burn," a young boy remarked, standing in front of Frederica. He had appeared there at some point, unnoticed, casually standing with his hands behind his head and a big smile on his face. "But if you can't get past the Dimensional Wall, nothing you do will matter

- This isn't enough for HDE at all. This just imply that the "weakest god" is massively superior to a human. Being "beyond human understanding" alone isn't enough to be dimensionaly superior to someone either

There are countless gods, and there are countless and endless levels corresponding to all possible worlds that exist within the Final Series. The Final Series is the world that contains all possible worlds.

So, let's ignore the finer details for now and consider them as quasi-omniscient and quasi-omnipotent beings.
There are many beings that possess something resembling omniscience and omnipotence, and they have ranks and levels.
In other words, a being with higher-ranked omniscience and omnipotence cannot be defeated by one of a lower rank."

- I fail to see how we can conclude that the unknown gods scale to a countless amount of dimensions. Just because several gods have different of omnipotence doesn't mean that a stronger god would automatically be in a higher-dimensional level above weaker God, instead it would imply the stronger god's powers are simply more potent and powerful, which is what the 2nd scan supports

It's about how you perceive the world, but simply put, it's within the scope of cognition. There's practically no world that we cannot be perceive. Of course, I don't mean to make rash statements like something doesn't exist just because we don't understand it. But even if it exists, if it has no impact whatsoever, then it might as well be nonexistent, don't you think? Sure, there might be worlds I can't comprehend, and I can't assert absolute certainty. Just like how you didn't initially grasp my greatness when you first arrived here. By the way, I'm often called the Ultimate God. Tell me to stop saying it? I'm aware it sounds embarrassing, but being able to know all worlds and exert influence, it's inevitable to be called that, don't you think?

- I really don't think that part support the world being literally nonexistant. It just talk about a world having so little impact that we can forget about it and act as if it doesn't exist

 

[Explosion-Proximity]

Neutral

 

[Zanesucksatlife]

Anyways, reading the thread, and I easily disagree
, agreeing with what Lloyd said, (he gave my thoughts quite a bit fully)
Nothing here shows HDE

 

[Mbpoops]

InfiniteD in a 6D verse

 

[ReasonedZebra834]

Okay, I'll be neutral, something's missing, I'll think about it and talk later.

 

[Azertyhuuh]

It seems that you misunderstood the texts, and you also ignored the entire core of the dimensional superiority argument, which is related to the difference in rank between the higher god and the lower god through (the R>F fallacy).

Sorry but I have to disagree:



- This isn't enough for HDE at all. This just imply that the "weakest god" is massively superior to a human. Being "beyond human understanding" alone isn't enough to be dimensionaly superior to someone either

I did not argue that the god is higher-dimensional than humans simply because he surpasses human understanding; that is only one of the very minor reasons.

What the text literally mentions in this quote is a clear dimensional difference. The god himself stated that the difference is in the dimensions themselves, as humans, if they cannot overcome the dimensional barrier between them, will never be able to defeat or affect the god in any way. ↓

"Take this!" Frederica swung the staff downwards, pointing it at the spawn. The sphere of light, condensed to the size of a fist, flew at the creature at a terrifying speed. Without even sparing it a glance, the spawn swung around and snatched it out of the air.Frederica froze. Her mind couldn't keep up with the reality unfolding before her. This was the best she had to offer, an attack with all of her power behind it, and yet the spawn had crushed it in a single hand without any apparent thought or effort."That was quite impressive for a human. If it had hit, it might even have left a burn," a young boy remarked, standing in front of Frederica. He had appeared there at some point, unnoticed, casually standing with his hands behind his head and a big smile on his face. "But if you can't get past the Dimensional Wall, nothing you do will matter.”
Volume 2

- I fail to see how we can conclude that the unknown gods scale to a countless amount of dimensions. Just because several gods have different of omnipotence doesn't mean that a stronger god would automatically be in a higher-dimensional level above weaker God, instead it would imply the stronger god's powers are simply more potent and powerful, which is what the 2nd scan supports

I already explained the gap between the higher god and the lower god in the thread through the R>F argument. You can review what I wrote about the Great Sage.

The Ultimate God also explicitly states the same thing here: an omnipotent power of a lower level cannot affect a being with omnipotent power of a higher level.

So, let's ignore the finer details for now and consider them as quasi-omniscient and quasi-omnipotent beings.
There are many beings that possess something resembling omniscience and omnipotence, and they have ranks and levels.
In other words, a being with higher-ranked omniscience and omnipotence cannot be defeated by one of a lower rank."

- I really don't think that part support the world being literally nonexistant. It just talk about a world having so little impact that we can forget about it and act as if it doesn't exist

What you're saying here isn't correct, and it seems that you misunderstood the text.

The text says that these worlds transcend the gods' perception and even their understanding. Omnipotence only operates within the scope of a god's perception, so if a god cannot perceive a certain world, then from that god's perspective it is effectively nonexistent because they cannot influence it in the first place.

The Ultimate God then goes on to clarify that just because we cannot understand or perceive those worlds does not mean that they do not exist. They do exist, but they lie beyond the scope of our perception and understanding.

You interpreted this passage completely incorrectly. I recommend reading the text carefully once again.

It's about how you perceive the world, but simply put, it's within the scope of cognition. There's practically no world that we cannot be perceive. Of course, I don't mean to make rash statements like something doesn't exist just because we don't understand it. But even if it exists, if it has no impact whatsoever, then it might as well be nonexistent, don't you think? Sure, there might be worlds I can't comprehend, and I can't assert absolute certainty. Just like how you didn't initially grasp my greatness when you first arrived here. By the way, I'm often called the Ultimate God. Tell me to stop saying it? I'm aware it sounds embarrassing, but being able to know all worlds and exert influence, it's inevitable to be called that, don't you think?

 

[Nonynho]

I also expected opposition from Tensura fans.

I legit am always hoping for this verse to get buffs through, matchmaking with it sounds like fun
Anyway, here i go

"Didn't expect that, did ya?!"

Spoiler: i go through it

So far, I have established that the gods are higher-dimensional beings relative to humans. Even the lowest-ranking god in the divine hierarchy would be a 4D being.

Gods in general are 4D or more, yeah, that's 100% true

This means that the sword is capable of destroying any world, no matter what it is, as long as it exists within the Final Series, as well as anything else.

That... sounds really over-the-top. Just seems like the he's boasting because the sword is indeed powerful, but to be able to cut everything because he said so...?

Now I will talk about Kyuuzaburou's battle against the Great Sage.

I feel like before that we should talk about who was that "Alexia" and why they're soooo impressive for us to spend a bit talking about him cutting her
But sure

The Great Sage lost and became nothing more than a disembodied consciousness, completely separated from reality. He became merely the dreamer, a necessary existence required only for the continuation of the dream.

Ok, so Great Sage is at least 5D because a 4D individual didn't do s* to him. That is fair enough
Logically, Yogiri's a 5D smurf since he could beat him but it does appear that he himself isn't 5D from what we've seen up until now

Every god who rules has a world that they govern and manage, and they possess omnipotence over it. There are countless worlds within the sea, and even the sea itself has gods who rule over it. Beyond that, there are also worlds outside the sea and the greater space, and there is a place that transcends all of this: the higher universes.

So far, universes are 3D with some 4D gods reigning over it, and there are 4D "super"-universes with 5D gods reigning over them, since they transcend it
Then Great Sage is "At Least 6D" since he transcends everyone else, and Yogiri's a 6D smurf

Twitchiro reached the higher universes. His power as a god surpasses the entire sea, reaching the structure of the higher universes, where every higher world contains the lower world, and this continues infinitely. Infinite higher universes are contained within an infinite multiverse of higher universes, and this continues without end.

As I said, the weakest god is the one who governs or possesses power over only a single world. Compared to a higher-level god such as UEG and Twitchiro, who were moving between the higher universes and destroying them, they have destroyed countless numbers of these universes.

Ok, something VERY IMPORTANT is not clear
there are Universes and there are higher-universes
where is it said that there are infinite of them? Any scan/quote?

Also, by what we have until now, they're just 5D fellas destroying countless 4D structures while fighting, which is not impressive at all

Dark God: HDE 4D

Vahanato: HDE 5D

Dark God's Sister: HDE 6D

Kouryu: HDE 7D

Malnarilna: HDE 8D

Malnarilna's Mother: HDE 9D

Hiruko: HDE 10D

Zakoro: HDE 11D

Toichiro: HDE (Countless D)

Alexia / UEG / Luu: HDE (Countless D)

The Great Sage: HDE (Countless D)

Unknown God: HDE (Countless D)

Ultimate God: HDE (Countless D)

what?
why?
bring up evidence of "countless-D", also why is anyone here above the other guy??? What is actually going on?
Why suddenly you stopped properly backing stuff up? I'm sure you may have good evidence on why you think those things are true but you haven't backed them up at all until now, mate

In short, you backed up properly, from what i can see:

• ANY and EVERY god is 4D or higher.
• There are busted gods who reign above higher-universes, that transcend 3D
  • So those higher-gods are 5D and reign over 4D structures
• Great Sage dreamt all of it so he's above all else, "At least 6D" is 100% warranted
• Yogiri's a 6D smurf because he could affect Great Sage. To say he's equal to GS feels unwarrented, but he can affect 6D with no big trouble

and that's it

 

[Lloydblitzed]

It seems that you misunderstood the texts, and you also ignored the entire core of the dimensional superiority argument, which is related to the difference in rank between the higher god and the lower god through

I argued that this "rank" is in reference to their power level and not higher dimensionality scaling

(the R>F fallacy).

The what fallacy??

I did not argue that the god is higher-dimensional than humans simply because he surpasses human understanding; that is only one of the very minor reasons.

Ik that. Which is I split my response into 2 sentences and said "EITHER".

This just imply that the "weakest god" is massively superior to a human. Being "beyond human understanding" alone isn't enough to be dimensionaly superior to someone either

What the text literally mentions in this quote is a clear dimensional difference. The god himself stated that the difference is in the dimensions themselves, as humans, if they cannot overcome the dimensional barrier between them, will never be able to defeat or affect the god in any way. ↓

The term "Dimensional Wall" here is vague when we're talking about higher dimensions and can be used for various other used across fiction. Dimensional Wall ≠ Barrier between dimensionalities unless you have explicit evidence implying so

I already explained the gap between the higher god and the lower god in the thread through the R>F argument. You can review what I wrote about the Great Sage.

Im ngl this reminds me of Bleach Higher-Dimensions Aizen statements.

The R>F argument doesn't prove a higher God is qualitatively superior to a lower one, and where are the scans for the "higher universe" stuff?

The Ultimate God also explicitly states the same thing here: an omnipotent power of a lower level cannot affect a being with omnipotent power of a higher level.

Well that would grant resistances for the higher gods, it doesn't really back up higher dimensionality. There is also reason this is one of the guidelines for HDE:

Simply stating that something is from a Higher Plane or a Higher Existence does not necessarily imply the existence of an extradimensional axis in relation to 3-dimensional entities or objects. Statements that something is "higher-dimensional" also need to be interpreted in context, as authors at times use the term figuratively.

What you're saying here isn't correct, and it seems that you misunderstood the text.

The text says that these worlds transcend the gods' perception and even their understanding. Omnipotence only operates within the scope of a god's perception, so if a god cannot perceive a certain world, then from that god's perspective it is effectively nonexistent because they cannot influence it in the first place.

No it doesn't. The text litterally claims that there is practically no world that a god cannot percieve (which already contradicts the idea that a weaker god cannot percieve an infinite amount of world "above him). Context also matters, as later on the Ultimate God compare this to how the guy he's talking to didn't initially understand how great he is.

It's about how you perceive the world, but simply put, it's within the scope of cognition. There's practically no world that we cannot be perceive. Of course, I don't mean to make rash statements like something doesn't exist just because we don't understand it. But even if it exists, if it has no impact whatsoever, then it might as well be nonexistent, don't you think? Sure, there might be worlds I can't comprehend, and I can't assert absolute certainty. Just like how you didn't initially grasp my greatness when you first arrived here. By the way, I'm often called the Ultimate God. Tell me to stop saying it? I'm aware it sounds embarrassing, but being able to know all worlds and exert influence, it's inevitable to be called that, don't you think?

The Ultimate God then goes on to clarify that just because we cannot understand or perceive those worlds does not mean that they do not exist. They do exist, but they lie beyond the scope of our perception and understanding.

You interpreted this passage completely incorrectly. I recommend reading the text carefully once again.

Answered allat above so yeah.

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

Not only has HDE been rejected before in this verse for gods, the proposed "size" is far beyond the scaling of the verse...

That is before mentioning all the issues with what is being proposed, some have already been lifted by the opposition...

Either way, this is a hard disagreement from me.

 

[Azertyhuuh]

I argued that this "rank" is in reference to their power level and not higher dimensionality scaling

The what fallacy??

Ik that. Which is I split my response into 2 sentences and said "EITHER".




The term "Dimensional Wall" here is vague when we're talking about higher dimensions and can be used for various other used across fiction. Dimensional Wall ≠ Barrier between dimensionalities unless you have explicit evidence implying so

Im ngl this reminds me of Bleach Higher-Dimensions Aizen statements.

The R>F argument doesn't prove a higher God is qualitatively superior to a lower one, and where are the scans for the "higher universe" stuff?



Well that would grant resistances for the higher gods, it doesn't really back up higher dimensionality. There is also reason this is one of the guidelines for HDE:



No it doesn't. The text litterally claims that there is practically no world that a god cannot percieve (which already contradicts the idea that a weaker god cannot percieve an infinite amount of world "above him). Context also matters, as later on the Ultimate God compare this to how the guy he's talking to didn't initially understand how great he is.


Answered allat above so yeah.

If you're not familiar with the R>F argument, you won't be able to understand the thread.

 

[Lloydblitzed]

If you're not familiar with the R>F argument, you won't be able to understand the thread.

Mate, Im saying the argument itself doesn't prove R>F since its missing enough evidence to qualify

 

[Azertyhuuh]

I legit am always hoping for this verse to get buffs through, matchmaking with it sounds like fun
Anyway, here i go

"Didn't expect that, did ya?!"

Spoiler: i go through it

Gods in general are 4D or more, yeah, that's 100% true


That... sounds really over-the-top. Just seems like the he's boasting because the sword is indeed powerful, but to be able to cut everything because he said so...?


I feel like before that we should talk about who was that "Alexia" and why they're soooo impressive for us to spend a bit talking about him cutting her
But sure


Ok, so Great Sage is at least 5D because a 4D individual didn't do s* to him. That is fair enough
Logically, Yogiri's a 5D smurf since he could beat him but it does appear that he himself isn't 5D from what we've seen up until now


So far, universes are 3D with some 4D gods reigning over it, and there are 4D "super"-universes with 5D gods reigning over them, since they transcend it
Then Great Sage is "At Least 6D" since he transcends everyone else, and Yogiri's a 6D smurf


Ok, something VERY IMPORTANT is not clear
there are Universes and there are higher-universes
where is it said that there are infinite of them? Any scan/quote?

Also, by what we have until now, they're just 5D fellas destroying countless 4D structures while fighting, which is not impressive at all


what?
why?
bring up evidence of "countless-D", also why is anyone here above the other guy??? What is actually going on?
Why suddenly you stopped properly backing stuff up? I'm sure you may have good evidence on why you think those things are true but you haven't backed them up at all until now, mate

In short, you backed up properly, from what i can see:

• ANY and EVERY god is 4D or higher.
• There are busted gods who reign above higher-universes, that transcend 3D
  • So those higher-gods are 5D and reign over 4D structures
• Great Sage dreamt all of it so he's above all else, "At least 6D" is 100% warranted
• Yogiri's a 6D smurf because he could affect Great Sage. To say he's equal to GS feels unwarrented, but he can affect 6D with no big trouble

and that's it

Alright, let me correct a few things.

The higher gods, such as UEG, Alexia, Luu, the Great Sage, the Unknown God, and the Ultimate God, are all currently 1-C. (The revisions simply haven't been applied yet, even though the cosmology upgrade to 1-C has already been accepted.) That's why I'm going to include these changes in the thread, since it's better to apply them now.

Since the higher gods are 1-C, and the Great Sage is superior to all of the higher gods, with all of them being nothing more than parts of his dream—and no matter what you do, you can never reach his true essence, i.e., destroy the dream itself—
then the scaling would be:
Lower Gods: 4-D
Higher Gods: 6-D
Great Sage: 7-D
Unknown God: 8-D
Ultimate God: 9-D
What do you think?

 

[Azertyhuuh]

Mate, Im saying the argument itself doesn't prove R>F since its missing enough evidence to qualify

I'm not saying it qualifies for R>F. I'm saying it qualifies for False R>F. I don't know whether you're familiar with it or not, but you should take a look at that thread.

 

[Lloydblitzed]

I'm not saying it qualifies for R>F. I'm saying it qualifies for False R>F. I don't know whether you're familiar with it or not, but you should take a look at that thread.

You wording make it seem like your talking about " R>F" and not "False R>F"

 

[Azertyhuuh]

You wording make it seem like your talking about " R>F" and not "False R>F"

Maybe it's because my English isn't very good, but what I mean is False R>F.

 

[Lort15]

Sorry but I have to disagree:



- This isn't enough for HDE at all. This just imply that the "weakest god" is massively superior to a human. Being "beyond human understanding" alone isn't enough to be dimensionaly superior to someone either




- I fail to see how we can conclude that the unknown gods scale to a countless amount of dimensions. Just because several gods have different of omnipotence doesn't mean that a stronger god would automatically be in a higher-dimensional level above weaker God, instead it would imply the stronger god's powers are simply more potent and powerful, which is what the 2nd scan supports



- I really don't think that part support the world being literally nonexistant. It just talk about a world having so little impact that we can forget about it and act as if it doesn't exist

I agree with Lloyd

 

[Nonynho]

Alright, let me correct a few things.

The higher gods, such as UEG, Alexia, Luu, the Great Sage, the Unknown God, and the Ultimate God, are all currently 1-C. (The revisions simply haven't been applied yet, even though the cosmology upgrade to 1-C has already been accepted.) That's why I'm going to include these changes in the thread, since it's better to apply them now.

please link this thread

Since the higher gods are 1-C, and the Great Sage is superior to all of the higher gods, with all of them being nothing more than parts of his dream—and no matter what you do, you can never reach his true essence, i.e., destroy the dream itself—
then the scaling would be:
Lower Gods: 4-D
Higher Gods: 6-D
Great Sage: 7-D
Unknown God: 8-D
Ultimate God: 9-D
What do you think?

Lower gods were proven to be 4-D, yeah
But the Higher Universes transcend the regular ones, so it's actually 5-D fellas reigning over 4-D planes (and destroying countless of them when they fight lol)
By consequence making Great Sage 6-D and Yogiri a 6-D smurf due to killing him

But tell me, where is it said Unknown God and Ultimate God transcend Great Sage and one another? Would you mind bringing up the scans and adding to OP?

Assuming you bring them up, here's the corrected:
Lower Gods: 4-D
Higher Gods: 5-D
Great Sage & Yogiri's smurf: 6-D
Unknown God: 7-D
Ultimate God: 8-D

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

Assuming you bring them up, here's the corrected:
Lower Gods: 4-D
Higher Gods: 5-D
Great Sage & Yogiri's smurf: 6-D
Unknown God: 7-D
Ultimate God: 8-D

Just letting you know, he is arguing for HDE on that level, not the scaling...

 

[Nonynho]

Just letting you know, he is arguing for HDE on that level, not the scaling...

if he were to prove the transcendence, what can i do

So far, up until the 6-D part sounds about right though, ngl

 

[Azertyhuuh]

please link this thread


Lower gods were proven to be 4-D, yeah
But the Higher Universes transcend the regular ones, so it's actually 5-D fellas reigning over 4-D planes (and destroying countless of them when they fight lol)
By consequence making Great Sage 6-D and Yogiri a 6-D smurf due to killing him

But tell me, where is it said Unknown God and Ultimate God transcend Great Sage and one another? Would you mind bringing up the scans and adding to OP?

Assuming you bring them up, here's the corrected:
Lower Gods: 4-D
Higher Gods: 5-D
Great Sage & Yogiri's smurf: 6-D
Unknown God: 7-D
Ultimate God: 8-D

You can review the thread here; the hierarchy has already been organized by the staff.

There are also quotes in the thread that explain this. The Ultimate God is the strongest being across all possible worlds—he is absolutely supreme and stands at the very top. Below him is the Unknown God, the one who speaks with the Ultimate God.
The Ultimate God explicitly states that the Unknown God has reached such a high level that he is now capable of perceiving the Ultimate God's greatness. All of this is explained in that thread.

Ugh, it's a hassle. I tried not to give that impression, but your increased rank makes it harder to conceal. Yeah, probably, I'm the strongest. In which group am I the strongest? Well, as far as I can think, in every possible world, I'm the strongest. Oh, you haven't grasped it at that level. Even though you could understand it now, you're only focused on fighting. Well, I'm free, so I'll
entertain it.
Volume 15

Ah, you're back already? Huh? Has quite some time passed? I see. When you're at my level, even the sense of time becomes vague. Past and future blend together. What? Is it okay for omniscience and omnipotence to be like that? Well, it's not inconvenient, so it's fine. Oh, you've struggled quite a bit, but your level has significantly improved. Am I still the strongest? Ugh, it's a hassle. I tried not to give that impression, but your increased rank makes it harder to conceal. Yeah, probably, I'm the strongest. In which group am I the strongest? Well, as far as I can think, in every possible world, I'm the strongest. Oh, you haven't grasped it at that level. Even though you could understand it now, you're only focused on fighting. Well, I'm free, so I'll
entertain it.

 

[Nonynho]

You can review the thread here; the hierarchy has already been organized by the staff.

hm, fair enough, though now 8-D is also trashed, since...

The Ultimate God explicitly states that the Unknown God has reached such a high level that he is now capable of perceiving the Ultimate God's greatness.

...This shows that Ultimate God is stronger but not at all transcending dimension-wise Unknown God, since the latter can perceive him.

Countless D or stuff-higher-than 7-D aren't proved so far, but the list below condensates everything proven up until now

Lower Gods: 4-D
Higher Gods: 5-D
Great Sage & Yogiri's smurf: 6-D
Unknown God, Ultimate God & Yogiri's smurf: 7-D

 

[K'rimuru]

I return neutral because I don't know the universe well.

 

[Hecky2222]

I agree cuz prime Azerty is back

 

[Azertyhuuh]

hm, fair enough, though now 8-D is also trashed, since...

...This shows that Ultimate God is stronger but not at all transcending dimension-wise Unknown God, since the latter can perceive him.

Countless D or stuff-higher-than 7-D aren't proved so far, but the list below condensates everything proven up until now

The higher gods, as I told you, are classified as 1-C.

The higher gods themselves are nothing more than parts of the Great Sage's dream, and no matter what these gods do, they cannot reach his true essence or destroy the dream itself. Characters that exist within his dream cannot simply destroy the dream itself. Therefore, the Great Sage would have HDE 7D, because even the higher gods, who are themselves 1-C, cannot defeat or affect the Great Sage's dream and are merely parts of it.

The Unknown God: HDE 8D, because he is higher in rank than the Great Sage, and this is what is currently agreed upon in the thread I sent you.

Ultimate God: HDE 9D, because he is the strongest god in the entire novel.

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Anyway, I will modify the thread to match what has been discussed so far and add some additional information.

 

[Nonynho]

I return neutral because I don't know the universe well.

i'd incentivise you to study the abilities system so that you have a grasp of what x power ("Higher-Dimensional Existence" in today's matter, but an example anyway) entails, so that you can at least attempt to grapple this matter first on verses that you enjoy and then trying to see if [(x explanation) + (y context)] is in fact said thing

Of course, all'at if you would like to be able to engage in those, if not than ignore me lol

 

[Azertyhuuh]

Note: Tomorrow, I will completely revise the thread, remove some things, and clarify some points that I forgot or haven't looked into yet. So please stop replying for now, because the thread will be changed tomorrow.

 

[Ihsjihahxu]

What the hell is going on here?

 

[Azertyhuuh]

When I finish applying the revisions to the thread, I will let you know. For now, please stop commenting and replying until all important points have been modified and added, as the thread will undergo a complete revision.

 

[Nonynho]

When I finish applying the revisions to the thread, I will let you know. For now, please stop commenting and replying until all important points have been modified and added, as the thread will undergo a complete revision.

i think this is happening quite a bunch recently, i'd advise you to post whevener you feel like this is basically impossible