Tensura - Some more Speed stuff

[EldemadeDityjon]

I literally asked for either you or Tatsumi to provide evidence, even a single scan, that the transmission of information between Information Particles can happen without direct contact between particles.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but you're the one claiming that information particles can travel between different time periods, yet you haven't provided a single scan to support that claim. So how does the burden suddenly fall on everyone else to disprove an unsupported assertion? Don't misunderstand—I understand your argument about characters potentially achieving immeasurable speed through movement and your interpretation of the SOL statements, even though I disagree. That's not the issue here. The issue is the additional claim you're making that by touching information particles, characters can interact with different points in time. Where is that actually stated or demonstrated? What scan explicitly supports that interpretation?

Even Astral's scan only shows information transfer, not Digital Lifeforms themselves touching different points in time. You should also know that Rimuru and Ciel were only able to send information to Shuna because they were connected through the Soul Corridor while Rimuru had been BFR'd into the future. That's a very specific circumstance.

Nothing in the series shows Rimuru remaining in the present and freely sending information to events that have already happened in the past, nor does it show him communicating with arbitrary points in time at will. More importantly, where is the evidence that every other Digital Lifeform can do this? Even if you grant Rimuru's feat, it's tied to his Soul Corridor connection, not to a general property of information particles. And even then, none of this demonstrates that their physical bodies can move to different time periods or that they can inherently perceive the past or future. The series consistently shows that characters require temporal coordinates or a specific method to travel back and forth through time, which directly contradicts the idea that merely interacting with information particles grants unrestricted access to different points in time.

If you can provide that, please do so; if not, then I have no other explanation for how two Information Particles in different times are able the 'touch' each other.

Regardless of the distance between them, as long as the 'information particles' exist within a perceptible space, the transfer happens instantaneously. In other words, 'information particles' transcend spacetime.

(Sir Rimuru, I have connected my thoughts to Ultima. I will send her coordinates over to Sir Veldora immediately.)

Whoa! Diablo, of all people, had just interrupted us.

No matter the distance, Spatial Transport is possible even in suspended space if you have the right coordinate data. Since Ultima is in the area, I shared in her senses and had her acquire the needed data.

Um, okay? So, like, that was possible because of our soul corridor connections?

Yes, exactly.

Sharing vision or transmitting information doesn't automatically mean the character themselves can travel to a different point in time or a different location. Those are two separate abilities. Based on the scans, the movement speed of information particles is still stated to be constant, while the transfer of information is instantaneous once the required conditions are met.

To make you understand more easily, consider information particles as a bridge where information transfer is instantaneous, while the characters themselves still move at a constant speed that doesn't surpass FTL.

From what I'm seeing, that information transfer is limited to skills or harmless thought-based communication. I don't see any evidence that it applies to actual combat.

To themselves to move they need teleportation or time travel if they want to go to different time period even with acquiring the data.

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

I think Infinite Attack Speed & Combat Speed is fine based off of the scans you sent me, but I'm iffy about Movement Speed and the rest.

Yeah. I'll just say the same I said on discord in case the other staff want to know or have a different opinion.

It was brought up that the Speed of Infons isn't infinite, reason being because apparently the conversation between Chloe and Rimuru happening through IP transfer had a time lag while between him and Ciel there was no lag. This is the scan.

It was addressed using the idea that the lag wasn't caused by data particles themselves but due to Rimuru at the time not having enough processing speed to not cause lag (as their speed is repeatedly stated to be constant even in the last volume). In the same scan, Rimuru specifically points out why there's lag between his convo with Chloe and himself but not between Ciel and himself.

The reason is cuz Ciel is a part of Rimuru. Since the entire emergency response mode (which allows rimuru to perceive suspended world in this specific scan) is actually managed by Ciel, not Rimuru himself (he isn't a dlf yet), Ciel can see everything at infinite speed and share it with rimuru instantly. But if Rimuru wants to send out his own thoughts to someone else and process their thoughts as well, he has to think by himself, instead of relying on Ciel. This need to process information at finite speed for himself is what causes the lag, not the movement of data particles.

Otherwise, there's no way to explain why emergency mode's reaction and perception speed is uniform.
Think of it like this. When we see the sun, we are not actually seeing the "present" Sun but a sun that's 8 minutes in the past. So if the sun disappeared, we wouldn't know for 8 minutes (this is a pretty popular topic and yt shorts related to it come often, so I assume I don't need to explain this in more details). Likewise, let's say there's a 5 second lag in information particle movement, that means whatever Rimuru perceives happens 5 seconds in the past. He won't be able to see the actual present. But then how would he respond to an attack?? I mean, 5 seconds is more than enough to slash someone with a sword, so by the time Rimuru himself receives info about a sword coming his way, it would have already... sliced him 0_0

This is also why Rimuru couldn't process when Chloe kissed him even during emergency mode. Chloe has infinite speed spatially, but Rimuru's mind by itself can't process things at infinite speed. It took him time to process that chloe kissed him. It's also why Rimuru could perfectly perceive michael's attack live (as it happened) and Chloe could respond to defend rimuru without any delay.

I would say assuming that data particles require time to travel long distances causes inconsistencies (besides, it is literally said they can travel any distance without time lag). Since IP have a constant/fixed/unchanging speed (to the point where they can go from rest to maximum speed instantly), for them travel speed = movement speed = combat = reaction = perception etc etc.

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

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By the way, could you please ping the other staff that have participated so far (Data, Elizhaa and KingTempest) in case they changed their vote or if their opinion is
different?

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

@SomebodyData @Elizhaa @KingTempest

What do you think about the conclusions we've reached?

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

@SomebodyData @Elizhaa @KingTempest

What do you think about the conclusions we've reached?

oof, forgot raiki and ddm

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but you're the one claiming that information particles can travel between different time periods, yet you haven't provided a single scan to support that claim. So how does the burden suddenly fall on everyone else to disprove an unsupported assertion? Don't misunderstand—I understand your argument about characters potentially achieving immeasurable speed through movement and your interpretation of the SOL statements, even though I disagree. That's not the issue here. The issue is the additional claim you're making that by touching information particles, characters can interact with different points in time. Where is that actually stated or demonstrated? What scan explicitly supports that interpretation?

All I said was that Information Particles can interact with different points in time; how that affects characters is up to what's been shown in the novel.

Even Astral's scan only shows information transfer, not Digital Lifeforms themselves touching different points in time. You should also know that Rimuru and Ciel were only able to send information to Shuna because they were connected through the Soul Corridor while Rimuru had been BFR'd into the future. That's a very specific circumstance.

What I said above.

Nothing in the series shows Rimuru remaining in the present and freely sending information to events that have already happened in the past, nor does it show him communicating with arbitrary points in time at will. More importantly, where is the evidence that every other Digital Lifeform can do this? Even if you grant Rimuru's feat, it's tied to his Soul Corridor connection, not to a general property of information particles. And even then, none of this demonstrates that their physical bodies can move to different time periods or that they can inherently perceive the past or future. The series consistently shows that characters require temporal coordinates or a specific method to travel back and forth through time, which directly contradicts the idea that merely interacting with information particles grants unrestricted access to different points in time.

Astral already covered this, saying it will be listed as a weakness that they require coordinates.

Sharing vision or transmitting information doesn't automatically mean the character themselves can travel to a different point in time or a different location. Those are two separate abilities. Based on the scans, the movement speed of information particles is still stated to be constant, while the transfer of information is instantaneous once the required conditions are met.

I told Astral this one discord, that just because Information Particles have Immeasurable Speed properties doesn't mean I think they can run to the past, or send attacks into the future.

Spatially, I still believe Information Particles have a finite movement speed.

To make you understand more easily, consider information particles as a bridge where information transfer is instantaneous, while the characters themselves still move at a constant speed that doesn't surpass FTL.

Which is why I disagreed with Infinite Movement Speed.

From what I'm seeing, that information transfer is limited to skills or harmless thought-based communication. I don't see any evidence that it applies to actual combat.

To themselves to move they need teleportation or time travel if they want to go to different time period even with acquiring the data.

I adressed this already.

 

[RaikiKurohane99]

What do you think about the conclusions we've reached?

oof, forgot raiki and ddm

On the matter of Immeasurable speed, I'm of the same opinion as Spaceman here. They should have Immeasurable Speed, but whether they can attack the past or future should be judged case by case (including during a versus thread itself) since that requires them knowing the coordinates of those points in Space-Time. It's best added as a Note next to their speed rating.

However, on the other hand, I think they should have a general speed instead of only combat and reaction speed. Astral's explanation on time lag makes more sense to me.
@DarkDragonMedeus what do you think?

 

[Vietthai96]

Isn't sending information to different points in time just range + time travel feat?. How do you even get immeasurable speed from that?

Speed is how fast you can do something, if the verse narratively capped speed at SoL with some FTL reaction then there should be no Immeasurable speed. There is no such a thing as moving at finite speed but still immeasurable speed due to travelling through time, that just finite speed plus time travel

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

All I said was that Information Particles can interact with different points in time; how that affects characters is up to what's been shown in the novel.

What I said above.

Astral already covered this, saying it will be listed as a weakness that they require coordinates.

I told Astral this one discord, that just because Information Particles have Immeasurable Speed properties doesn't mean I think they can run to the past, or send attacks into the future.

Spatially, I still believe Information Particles have a finite movement speed.

Which is why I disagreed with Infinite Movement Speed.

I adressed this already.

Okay, correct me your whole point comes from the idea that Information Particles that interacting instantly grants this speed. However, that doesn't mean every verse has the same setup. Even then, versus matches are usually conducted under neutral ground, where this specific mechanic shouldn't automatically apply. So, I'd like clarification on this case to prevent supporters from misusing this.

So this supposed reading different coordinates in different time and transmitting information shouldn't be logically possible unless match is set up in Tensura or similar cased verses or you specify the ground the give them advantage. So what are limitations you are proposing?

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

On the matter of Immeasurable speed, I'm of the same opinion as Spaceman here. They should have Immeasurable Speed, but whether they can attack the past or future should be judged case by case (including during a versus thread itself) since that requires them knowing the coordinates of those points in Space-Time. It's best added as a Note next to their speed rating.

However, on the other hand, I think they should have a general speed instead of only combat and reaction speed. Astral's explanation on time lag makes more sense to me.
@DarkDragonMedeus what do you think?

Sounds good to me.

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

Isn't sending information to different points in time just range + time travel feat?. How do you even get immeasurable speed from that?

From what I've observed, Information Particles can only transmit Information to one another by touching one another. By touching, I mean moving and touching one another.

So for Information Particles in different periods to touch one another, they must be moving through time and 'touching' one another.

Speed is how fast you can do something, if the verse narratively capped speed at SoL with some FTL reaction then there should be no Immeasurable speed. There is no such a thing as moving at finite speed but still immeasurable speed due to travelling through time, that just finite speed plus time travel

Immeasurable speed can work more like a special property added to movement, not just raw speed.

Being able to move through time does not automatically mean someone can travel any distance instantly. A character might be able to walk into the past or future, but their actual movement through space could still be normal.

They can choose when they appear, but not necessarily where they appear.

So it is possible to have SoL Spatial Speed, but Immeasurable Speed temporally.

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

Isn't sending information to different points in time just range + time travel feat?. How do you even get immeasurable speed from that?

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[Tatsumi504]

Immeasurable speed can work more like a special property added to movement, not just raw speed.

Being able to move through time does not automatically mean someone can travel any distance instantly. A character might be able to walk into the past or future, but their actual movement through space could still be normal.

They can choose when they appear, but not necessarily where they appear.

So it is possible to have SoL Spatial Speed, but Immeasurable Speed temporally.

It's honestly not, there's a distinction for a reason. A time manipulator that can send attacks into the past wouldn't get immeasurable attack speed. This is because the target of the attack in the past or future will still be able to react to the attacks finite speed regardless. True immeasurable movement, combat or attacks cannot be reacted to without the same level of speed.

The purpose of immeasurable speed is to violate linear time through sheer speed alone. What you're proposing is a new standard where every lower speed can be faster than immeasurable speed

 

[Vietthai96]

From what I've observed, Information Particles can only transmit Information to one another by touching one another. By touching, I mean moving and touching one another.

So for Information Particles in different periods to touch one another, they must be moving through time and 'touching' one another.

That is still time travel, or at best you can stretching it to immeasurable travel speed

Immeasurable speed can work more like a special property added to movement, not just raw speed.

Being able to move through time does not automatically mean someone can travel any distance instantly. A character might be able to walk into the past or future, but their actual movement through space could still be normal.

They can choose when they appear, but not necessarily where they appear.

So it is possible to have SoL Spatial Speed, but Immeasurable Speed temporally.

No, that not how standard work, you are practically inventing a completely new standard in this scenario, speed is how fact you do something, it is the notion of "before" and "after", causality.

The reason Immeasurable speed is fastest speed rating is because it is allows to act beyond linear causality, if you can travel through time yet being bound by linear causality in spartial movement then you aren't even immeasurable speed. Unless you want to say to me time < space

What you are suggesting is separating Immeasurable speed from the rest of speed rating, and a person with finite speed can be faster than immeasurable speed if said person is faster in spartial movement. And we literally have Time Travel as an ability for these cases

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

That is still time travel,

Why? Time travel is an ability, Immeasurable speed is, well, speed. Where does it say IP is doing it via an ability?
The scans they they can do it due to their nature of being unbound by time and space.

And no, that's not just a simple resistance. Resistance doesn't allow you to move in time.

or at best you can stretching it to immeasurable travel speed

Now apply the fact that their speed is constant. Their travel, movement, reaction and combat speed would be the same.

If you assume they have Immeasurable travel speed but not combat speed, you're going against what the narrative says.

 

[ReasonedZebra834]

Well, I agree with the topic because of the author of this page and Fuse, since he always creates a context in his work tensei shitara slime

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

That is still time travel, or at best you can stretching it to immeasurable travel speed

Which is what I'm suggesting.

No, that not how standard work, you are practically inventing a completely new standard in this scenario, speed is how fact you do something, it is the notion of "before" and "after", causality.

The reason Immeasurable speed is fastest speed rating is because it is allows to act beyond linear causality, if you can travel through time yet being bound by linear causality in spartial movement then you aren't even immeasurable speed. Unless you want to say to me time < space

What you are suggesting is separating Immeasurable speed from the rest of speed rating, and a person with finite speed can be faster than immeasurable speed if said person is faster in spartial movement. And we literally have Time Travel as an ability for these cases

This feels like an overlap.

So if you can physically move through time but can't go 'anywhere', you get Time Travel that mimics Immeasurable Speed?

 

[RaikiKurohane99]

Isn't sending information to different points in time just range + time travel feat?. How do you even get immeasurable speed from that?

Speed is how fast you can do something, if the verse narratively capped speed at SoL with some FTL reaction then there should be no Immeasurable speed. There is no such a thing as moving at finite speed but still immeasurable speed due to travelling through time, that just finite speed plus time travel

That is still time travel, or at best you can stretching it to immeasurable travel speed


No, that not how standard work, you are practically inventing a completely new standard in this scenario, speed is how fact you do something, it is the notion of "before" and "after", causality.

The reason Immeasurable speed is fastest speed rating is because it is allows to act beyond linear causality, if you can travel through time yet being bound by linear causality in spartial movement then you aren't even immeasurable speed. Unless you want to say to me time < space

What you are suggesting is separating Immeasurable speed from the rest of speed rating, and a person with finite speed can be faster than immeasurable speed if said person is faster in spartial movement. And we literally have Time Travel as an ability for these cases

I want to correct something. This is plainly wrong even according to our Speed page:

On Infinite Speed, Immeasurable Speed and How They Compare
Being able to casually roam around freely across linear time qualifies for immeasurable speed. However, traveling to different time periods through movement is a common feat in fiction that often leads to inconsistencies and has been done via FTL travel or running laps around the earth faster than it rotates. This can lead to characters being assigned an additional, independent, speed rating for the ability. This should preferably be evaluated case by case.

We perfectly allow the coexistence of different Spatial and Temporal speed, and also allow them to be treated separately.

A character going to the past but only at the exact point they were standing at in the future is still classified as Immeasurable as long as it's done through speed alone, despite the fact that they did not move in Space, only in Time.

A normal character moves forward in time per second into the future as they act in Space. However, at infinite speed, we assume they can also move in 0 time. That's the equivalent of being able to move in Space without moving in Time as a result of said thing.

Immeasurable speed can be the opposition of that, and it can also be both at once.

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

I want to correct something. This is plainly wrong even according to our Speed page:


We perfectly allow the coexistence of different Spatial and Temporal speed, and also allow them to be treated separately.

A character going to the past but only at the exact point they were standing at in the future is still classified as Immeasurable as long as it's done through speed alone, despite the fact that they did not move in Space, only in Time.

A normal character moves forward in time per second into the future as they act in Space. However, at infinite speed, we assume they can also move in 0 time. That's the equivalent of being able to move in Space without moving in Time as a result of said thing.

Immeasurable speed can be the opposition of that, and it can also be both at once.

I feel like this would fall under a valid verse mechanic at this point.

There is a staff thread going on about a similar thing, so it's probably a better idea to include this there and decide if there instead.

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[Vietthai96]

This feels like an overlap.

So if you can physically move through time but can't go 'anywhere', you get Time Travel that mimics Immeasurable Speed?

Broooooooooooo, time travel is literally, travel through time? Well, if you want to nitpicking this, Immeasurable travel speed????

I want to correct something. This is plainly wrong even according to our Speed page:


We perfectly allow the coexistence of different Spatial and Temporal speed, and also allow them to be treated separately.

A character going to the past but only at the exact point they were standing at in the future is still classified as Immeasurable as long as it's done through speed alone, despite the fact that they did not move in Space, only in Time.

A normal character moves forward in time per second into the future as they act in Space. However, at infinite speed, we assume they can also move in 0 time. That's the equivalent of being able to move in Space without moving in Time as a result of said thing.

Immeasurable speed can be the opposition of that, and it can also be both at once.

???. Do you even know what standard even mean? It mean that you can have different rating for different kind of speed, it applies for finite speed as well, such as you have SoL speed but FTL combat speed so your speed can be listed as

Speed: SoL, FTL attack speed

That not mean separate spartial and temporal speed. We have time travel for that, or if you really want that immeasurable speed text on your speed rating section, then we have travel speed for that. If you guys seriously separate temporal speed and spartial speed then no point having Immeasurable speed rating anymore, remove it. Time travel is enough

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

I want to correct something. This is plainly wrong even according to our Speed page:


We perfectly allow the coexistence of different Spatial and Temporal speed, and also allow them to be treated separately.

A character going to the past but only at the exact point they were standing at in the future is still classified as Immeasurable as long as it's done through speed alone, despite the fact that they did not move in Space, only in Time.

A normal character moves forward in time per second into the future as they act in Space. However, at infinite speed, we assume they can also move in 0 time. That's the equivalent of being able to move in Space without moving in Time as a result of said thing.

Immeasurable speed can be the opposition of that, and it can also be both at once.

I already mentioned Fire force example.
You get FTL with time travel not immeasurable speed rating.

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

Broooooooooooo, time travel is literally, travel through time? Well, if you want to nitpicking this, Immeasurable travel speed????

This falls apart the moment you apply it to anything outside of pure travel speed.

If Character A can block or react to attacks that hit them yesterday, does that automatically mean they have Time Travel?

Because by your logic, unless those attacks are also “instant,” and unless Character A can physically move across any distance in space to respond to them, then they are not displaying Immeasurable Speed; they are just using Time Travel.

So what do we do then? Give them Time Manipulation or some weird form of Acausality for reacting to the attacks, Time Travel for blocking them, and then another form of Acausality for somehow remaining in the “present” while doing all of that?

That is why I’m saying there’s an overlap.

You’re treating movement through time as equivalent to Immeasurable Speed, but then separating it whenever the feat doesn’t involve infinite spatial movement.

That makes the distinction inconsistent.

 

[RaikiKurohane99]

Broooooooooooo, time travel is literally, travel through time? Well, if you want to nitpicking this, Immeasurable travel speed????


???. Do you even know what standard even mean? It mean that you can have different rating for different kind of speed, it applies for finite speed as well, such as you have SoL speed but FTL combat speed so your speed can be listed as

Speed: SoL, FTL attack speed

That not mean separate spartial and temporal speed. We have time travel for that, or if you really want that immeasurable speed text on your speed rating section, then we have travel speed for that. If you guys seriously separate temporal speed and spartial speed then no point having Immeasurable speed rating anymore, remove it. Time travel is enough

Time Travel (ability) includes cases where it's done through abilities/powers, rather than just Speed.

I would have accepted Immeasurable travel speed for it, though, if not for the explanation @Astral_Trinity439 provided about this verse's Speed of these so-called Data Particles being Constant and other similar mechanics. I find that convincing enough for a general rating.

I already mentioned Fire force example.
You get FTL with time travel not immeasurable speed rating.

Using another verse as an example does not mean anything here. Each verse has a unique mechanic to it. Fire Force's setting can have its own reason for it to be Time Travel instead of Immeasurable Speed.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Using another verse as an example does not mean anything here. Each verse has a unique mechanic to it. Fire Force's setting can have its own reason for it to be Time Travel instead of Immeasurable Speed.

It's not done through abilities, but through speed itself. As you pointed out, it's common for characters with lower speed ratings to achieve time travel. That's my point.

I know you love Tensura, but that doesn't mean we should bypass the standards and give it special treatment here. Just check Shinra's profile—there's no ability that lets him go back in time; it's literally done through speed. At least Shinra has actual feats.

Unlike this case, it requires coordinates, perceiving things through the Soul Corridor connection, and sending information basically time travel mechanism what else do you call this? This seems like a speed to you?. Heck, the characters themselves aren't even traveling. This scenario is even weaker than Shinra's case, so I don't see why you're proposing immeasurable speed with zero feats.

 

[Tatsumi504]

You’re treating movement through time as equivalent to Immeasurable Speed, but then separating it whenever the feat doesn’t involve infinite spatial movement.

That makes the distinction inconsistent.

No, the difference is how it's achieved, spatial distance isn't a necessity. What's necessary for immeasurable speed is travelling forward or backward in time through speed and speed alone. A time manipulator can send supersonic attacks forward or backward in time but those will still be moving at supersonic speed and anyone slightly below, equal to or above supersonic speed can react to it. On the other hand, if something were to bypass time through sheer speed, the target in the past or future will be incapable of reacting to it with any finite or infinite speed.

If I were to use the power of "Grafting" from lord of mysteries as an example, Attendants of Mysteries can graft two locations together and bypass the distance and obstacles between them with a single step. If you apply the same concept to time periods, they can possibly graft two time periods together and move between them with a single step. In fact, they gain the ability to travel through different time periods in the historical void but this still isn't immeasurable speed

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

Alright, this is just going to drag on, so I'm just going to put my final opinions here in regard to speed.

• Information Particles must touch to transmit information, so any instance of them being used to transmit information through time is an act of them touching through time.
  • I would count this as Information Particles having Immeasurable Travel Speed with Coordinates. Outside of that, they have a constant finite travel speed, somewhere within the speed of light; the verse supporters can determine the specifics.
• Astral sent me a scan where attacks skip frames and happen instantly one after another.
  • I consider this to be Infinite Attack Speed & Combat Speed.
• Considering the Narrative Implications, I do not agree with Infinite Movement Speed or other speed values aside from the above I've mentioned.

I'm not really interested in commenting any further on this CRT, so good luck.

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

We currently have these votes.

2 staff fully agree with the CRT
3 staff agree with it unless proven information particles don't require physical contact to transfer information, and have been waiting for counter evidence for days,

1 staff disagrees.

No neutral staff as far as I see.

 

[PHANtomFELdway]

If I were to use the power of "Grafting" from lord of mysteries as an example, Attendants of Mysteries can graft two locations together and bypass the distance and obstacles between them with a single step. If you apply the same concept to time periods, they can possibly graft two time periods together and move between them with a single step. In fact, they gain the ability to travel through different time periods in the historical void but this still isn't immeasurable speed

sounds like an ability to me

 

[Humanitus_Primevilus888]

so I don't see why you're proposing immeasurable speed with zero feats.

a scan here fyi:

In this place, time was not flowing either. Nevertheless, unlike the Stopped World, even by manipulating Information Particles, it was not possible to perceive even the extent of space.
V21 Epilogue

The statement here explicitly says time wasn’t flowing there, and even Information Particles couldn’t perceive the extent of space. That establishes the realm itself. If character A can still move and act there, then its immeasurable speed and that’s because the another crucial point lies in its definition of “environment” as an area where “time does not flow”. As such, anyone who can move or act normally in an environment would be operating independent of temporal progression.

 

[PHANtomFELdway]

a scan here fyi:

The statement here explicitly says time wasn’t flowing there, and even Information Particles couldn’t perceive the extent of space. That establishes the realm itself. If character A can still move and act there, then its immeasurable speed and that’s because the another crucial point lies in its definition of “environment” as an area where “time does not flow”. As such, anyone who can move or act normally in an environment would be operating independent of temporal progression.

Are you using csap definition?

 

[Humanitus_Primevilus888]

Are you using csap definition?

No? Why the actual f would I?

 

[Ultimuru]

No? Why the actual f would I?

Moving in timeless place doesn't count as speed on VSBW standard. It does in CSAP tho

 

[Humanitus_Primevilus888]

Moving in timeless place doesn't count as speed on VSBW standard. It does in CSAP tho

Ngl I don’t know about that since I just say whatever I understand from the scan above

 

[RaikiKurohane99]

It's not done through abilities, but through speed itself. As you pointed out, it's common for characters with lower speed ratings to achieve time travel. That's my point.

I know you love Tensura, but that doesn't mean we should bypass the standards and give it special treatment here. Just check Shinra's profile—there's no ability that lets him go back in time; it's literally done through speed. At least Shinra has actual feats.

Unlike this case, it requires coordinates, perceiving things through the Soul Corridor connection, and sending information basically time travel mechanism what else do you call this? This seems like a speed to you?. Heck, the characters themselves aren't even traveling. This scenario is even weaker than Shinra's case, so I don't see why you're proposing immeasurable speed with zero feats.

If it's also done via speed, then at that point it's about a staff's preference and differing opinions. I also do not know if Fire Force's setting had any anti feats against Immeasurable Speed on whatnot. And in this case, I prefer Immeasurable speed since it's more aligned with their nature as some Species and also because of the Constant speed mechanic.

Mind you, I am neutral for any verse out there. A different opinion does not mean I'm being biased in my judgement. You have to learn to respect opinions differing from your own. I cannot simply ignore the idea that both A and B Option are valid, and chose option B simply because another party wanted that as well. Otherwise I would not be going around evaluating each thread in detail and pointing out any disagreement I have or an error I notice, rather than just "I agree with X person". That is my last preferred option in the scenario that all the problems I had were covered by someone and there aren't any any more.

Since they already have Infinite speed according to their page, I preferred the option of just changing that to Immeasurable.

And while one could interchange between Time Travel and Immeasurable travel speed, but if the same mechanic also overlaps with their Combat and other speeds, I prefer indexing it as Immeasurable.

Requiring coordinates of the location you want to go through does not mean much in regards to Immeasurable speed by itself. I did not agree to the rating simply because information is conveyed using these particles to the past, I agreed because the Species itself is made up of those particles.

If for example someone is Light itself and the setting consistency shows that said character moves at Light Speed because of that, then we grant them Light Speed. Even if they aren't said to move at Light Speed directly, if the Light that composes them shows photon-like properties consistency, and they are said or portrayed to have a super fast speed due to their nature, giving SoL is still valid. The same applies here.

I would say the latter most part of your post was addressed by the idea of constant speed, which I find solidified enough.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

• Astral sent me a scan where attacks skip frames and happen instantly one after another.
  • I consider this to be Infinite Attack Speed & Combat Speed.

Can you share the scan? I'm betting Breeze Wuwa is pulls on the scan that's talking about the time when Rimuru couldn't perceive Time Stop. I'm pretty sure "skipping frames" part is definitely talking about when time was stopped and started while fighting, not an actual speed feat. I hope you take a look at that or share the scan here so we can check the full context. I don't remember any scene where attacks skipped frames other than during Time Stop. I'm just telling you so that you won't be left out of context lol. If other than that any solid feats are there I'm open to know that here. So please share the scans.

 

[Humanitus_Primevilus888]

I'm betting Breeze Wuwa is pulls

me purposely lose a 50/50 to Lucila to get Yang Yang or Hsin

 

[Ciel_Trinity439]

Agree: @Elizhaa @KingTempest @DarkDragonMedeus @ActuallySpaceMan42 @SomebodyData

Disagree:

Neutral:

I will begin implementing the changes.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

a scan here fyi:

The statement here explicitly says time wasn’t flowing there, and even Information Particles couldn’t perceive the extent of space. That establishes the realm itself. If character A can still move and act there, then its immeasurable speed and that’s because the another crucial point lies in its definition of “environment” as an area where “time does not flow”. As such, anyone who can move or act normally in an environment would be operating independent of temporal progression.

Brother moving in timeless zone doesn't give you any speed. Each one of you just showing you people don't know how speed tier works here. Like Felway said above it's from Cpap?

me purposely lose a 50/50 to Lucila to get Yang Yang or Hsin

I'm also saving pulls for Changli, Suisui and Hsin lol

 

[Mido02]

Agree: @Elizhaa @KingTempest @DarkDragonMedeus @ActuallySpaceMan42 @SomebodyData

Disagree:

Neutral:

I will begin implementing the changes.

Add viet for disagreement so we be fair

 

[Ultimuru]

me purposely lose a 50/50 to Lucila to get Yang Yang or Hsin

Curse you all. I want to play it too but my PC is a potato.