Lifting Strength Vs Punching Strength (Tatsumaki vs Broly | 22 - 37 - 1)

[GodlyCharmander]

Tatsu is bloodlusted AND with prior knowledge?
Chokes his throat with telekinesis preventing blood flow to the brain thus killing Broly

Are we deadass just PRETENDING Broly wouldn't immediately explode ki around his body with such range that he would desintegrate Tatsumaki instantly? From the HEAT ALONE?


Why is this entire thread pretending like Broly would be choked in 0.00000000001 seconds and not react by just going kaboom around himself? Super Explosive Wave? Big ass range? Shockwave that would kill Tatsu or at least get her off focus so she wouldn't have him on her grip?

You know choking takes seconds, not miliseconds, right? And Saiyans can survive just fine at very thin amounts of oxygen, so he would likely take an eternity to choke. Are y'all going to FRA train on a LIE?

 

[Gamin_Yoon23]

I’m starting to think people are only voting Tatsumaki because it’s funny and not because she actually wins. Like yeah, the LS meta stuff was funny at the start but people are taking this debate seriously. It’s disrespectful and dishonest to vote for a character purely because it’d be funny to see the moon level character beat one of many 2-C DB characters with fodder LS. I’m not saying the votes should be discounted but had no one even thought to bring any of this up, this would’ve just passed with blatant misinformation and ignoring

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

Broly FRA for Qaw's reasons.

 

[CryoTheMayo]

I think that's enough for me to say Broly FRA.

 

[GodlyCharmander]

Thus... given multipliers are not applied to LS and no scaling chain will get you pass a 10^10 times difference, Tatsumaki freezes Broly in place with her TK and throws him into space like he tried to do against Saitama, this time working and killing Broly because saiyans cannot breathe on space.

Trueeee, and Broly, who surely doesn't know how to use Kiai, the most basic form of ki shockwave, would just watch as his non-physical energy is also magically frozen by this TK, and not do anything as he is hurled out of orbit, although he's bloodlusted, although he has several ways to kill her from afar, the concept of ki magically vanishes!

 

[Mbpoops]

Broly for qawsedf reasons

 

[IDK3465]

The LS meta may have lost the battle, but it will win the war, time will tell, I’m sure of it

Switching to Broly for Qaw’s reasons

 

[Bruhtelho]

Broly FRA, Low Complex Multiversal range Ki + Aura shockwaves go brrrr

 

[Mbpoops]

Broly FRA, Low Complex Multiversal range Ki + Aura shockwaves go brrrr

Woah woah woah now i didnt know broly was boxing dante now

Edit: Err im dumb didnt read the range part whoopsie

 

[Mr._East_Statement]

Well, voting to Tats

 

[Baken384]

LS meta stuff was funny at the start but people are taking this debate seriously.

The LS Meta is real. So strong and potent, The mods had to ruin the Platinum Tear .
It will strike back one day.

 

[GodlyCharmander]

We're putting actual, real fight results on profiles for the sake of a joke. If people treat VSBW as a joke, you people certainly are the reason.

 

[BoastJr]

Insane Momentum.. Broly is back in the Game.

I’m starting to think people are only voting Tatsumaki because it’s funny

Some people believe this Meta is a valid wincon.

Edit 1 : Also please be civilised. There are People who are genuinely arguing their stance in this thread and we must be respectful. I don't believe people such as @JustANormalPerson01 were joking at the start

 

[Baken384]

People claiming the LS Meta is a joke got no respect. Disappointed in you.

 

[IDK3465]

LS meta ain’t a joke, it definitely matters, it’s just not the end-all-be-all

 

[TheTenno07]

Broly fqr
(For qawsedf's reasons)

 

[Kachon123]

Grace did end a while ago.

Also, @GodlyCharmander, I don't think anybody was saying Tatsumaki chokes Broly as a wincon. It's mainly her BFR and LS-based attack null that gives her the win. You have to remember that Tatsumaki has prior knowledge here. She's no stranger to quick time events. Against large scale threats, she always deals with them in the fastest way possible, even often going overboard. For example, against Aggregation (a monster who can multiply exponentially to where it can cover the entire planet in a single minute), she immediately turned the swarm and the entire region into powder. Another example was when Psykos was spamming continent-cleaving beams. The second Tatsumaki had a chance to attack she destroyed her on a cellular level. With knowledge that Broly would nuke the entire area if left unchecked, she would instantly choose quickest way to finish him, which would be BFR.

 

[AmonInChains]

People claiming the LS Meta is a joke got no respect. Disappointed in you.

spittin

 

[ProfectusInfinity]

Voting Broly for Qawsedf's reasoning.

 

[Kachon123]

Grace did end a while ago.

Yeah grace ended at 14-4 in Tatsumaki's favor

 

[BoastJr]

Yeah grace ended at 14-4 in Tatsunaki's favor

Yeah this is true.. this thread was up for quite some time

Although I am not sure on wiki standards about voting after Grace ending a while ago ?

 

[EtherealCrater]

I'm a little late but to me, it depends on if Tatsumaki can bind him before he does anything that she can't dodge and if completely holding him down will prevent him from attacking entirely.

If Tats can get a hold of him and Broly can't fight back at all while binded then Tats can win.

Voting for Tatsumaki, I guess.

 

[Kachon123]

Although I am not sure on wiki standards about voting after Grace ending a while ago ?

• If both sides have equivalent posts with constructive arguments, the thread shall be deemed inconclusive.
  • Inconclusive matches, in which the opposing parties are incapable of defeating each other, should only added to profiles if they had a notable debate. A debate is considered notable, in this context, if it features a lengthy debate over an aspect not directly listed on profile.
    • Examples of such are standard tactics (if not listed), ability mechanics and (unlisted) potency, interaction between abilities, weaknesses, verse equalization, potential methods to circumvent resistances and immortalities, potential learning or growth they could achieve in the timeframe of the fight, whether they could escape long enough for prep based abilities to come into play, etc.
    • If the final verdict did not have a minimum difference of three votes a grace period for inconclusive of 72 hours will begin. The other rules for inconclusive will still apply; grace for inconclusive will only be added if both parties had a notable debate.

This would only be incon if grace ended without a difference of 3 votes after 72 hours.

 

[Gamin_Yoon23]

Grace did end a while ago.

Also, @GodlyCharmander, I don't think anybody was saying Tatsumaki chokes Broly as a wincon. It's mainly her BFR and LS-based attack null that gives her the win. You have to remember that Tatsumaki has prior knowledge here. She's no stranger to quick time events. Against large scale threats, she always deals with them in the fastest way possible, even often going overboard. For example, against Aggregation (a monster who can multiply exponentially to where it can cover the entire planet in a single minute), she immediately turned the swarm and the entire region into powder. Another example was when Psykos was spamming continent-cleaving beams. The second Tatsumaki had a chance to attack she destroyed her on a cellular level. With knowledge that Broly would nuke the entire area if left unchecked, she would instantly choose quickest way to finish him, which would be BFR.

Even not being a slouch and having prior knowledge I still don’t see how Broly is outmatched here. We’ve already clarified that Broly is going to use whatever is needed to kill Tatsumaki. Tatsumaki TKing and BFRing Broly doesn’t disable his Ki, expelling psychokinesis energy onto Broly would lead her to her own death. Her energy gets overridden and later she’s subjected to being paralysed and from there I doubt she can do anything. I’m pretty sure I asked before but I’m guessing I had no answer. Does she resist paralysis inducement or does she have any other way around it? If not then she’s going to die. BFR doesn’t restrict exertion of Ki, what does that mean? Even if Broly is theoretically being pushed away he can still AOE nuke the entire map along with Tatsumaki and could funnily enough pull off a similar feat with DOSL. If your worries are of Broly being susceptible to his own nuke due to blowing up the multiverse he’d be fine considering he’s in another zone while Tatsumaki is getting obliterated.

Since speed is equalised Broly would react just fine and realising he can’t escape her TK which I find to be quite faulty, he’d just clusterfuck everything in his vicinity and movement restriction isn’t stopping that.

I’m also skeptical on this being added. In fact I don’t think it should be added and if it comes to it I think I’ll give my own explanation why.

 

[Kachon123]

Tatsumaki TKing and BFRing Broly doesn’t disable his Ki, expelling psychokinesis energy onto Broly would lead her to her own death. Her energy gets overridden and later she’s subjected to being paralysed and from there I doubt she can do anything

Right because Broly's Class T reverse God Bind is going to kill, paralyze, and override Tatsumaki's Class Z TK. I'm so sure.

he can still AOE nuke the entire map along with Tatsumaki and could funnily enough pull off a similar feat with DOSL

Broly lets off an aoe nuke in space good for him but I don't really see how that would affect Tatsumaki.

I’m also skeptical on this being added. In fact I don’t think it should be added and if it comes to it I think I’ll give my own explanation why.

a tale as old as time lol

 

[Phoenks]

I don't understand this matchup.

The win condition mentioned for Broly (bloodlusted shockwaves that instant kill Tatsumaki) is pretty much a stomp condition. Since even if Tatsumaki tries to kill him, he could probably have already made those shockwaves and she just dies anyway. So it becomes at best an inconclusive match?

Tatsumaki win condition (BFR) doesn't prevent multiversal shockwaves from killing her within seconds so again it's just an inconclusive at best?

Feel like a fraud for not supporting Tats here but this is kinda insane bruh

Also wtf are these LS rules? Had no idea that we now just accept LS as being able to overcome AP even if there is an infinite gap between them. But alright I guess.

 

[Gamin_Yoon23]

Right because Broly's Class T reverse God Bind is going to kill, paralyze, and override Tatsumaki's Class Z TK. I'm so sure.

Override as in Ki making contact with her Psychokinetic energy. From there he can manipulate his Ki in anyway he sees fit. Explosive Ki attacks tend to be the norm in Dragon Ball. Remember, Broly is bloodlusted and on top of that he’s in FPSSJ which as I said beforehand thrives on rage. He’s going to kill Tatsumaki regardless of what she decides to do. I also did already anticipate the paralysis inducement argument beforehand. The paralysis inducement really isn’t needed. It could’ve been means of winning if it wasn’t for Tatsumaki’s TK. Also, is she able to TK multiple things at once? Not like it changes anything but it would be nice to know. Back with God Bind which is just expelling Ki, it’d just act as your usual Ki projectile and X her off.

Broly lets off an aoe nuke in space good for him but I don't really see how that would affect Tatsumaki.

TK isn’t negating Ki or sucking it out of him. He can very much AOE nuke while he’s being pushed away. It’s quite literally the same reasoning as the examples I gave you with Broly being pushed back by Vegeta and Gogeta. They reposition themselves into their generic stance DUE to Ki. What’s to say Broly can’t use Ki as he’s being flown back when he has already shown the capacity of doing so?

a tale as old as time lol

Not sure what you mean by this

 

[Da3ggman]

Also wtf are these LS rules? Had no idea that we now just accept LS as being able to overcome AP even if there is an infinite gap between them. But alright I guess.

Broly lacks the tensile strength the resist Class Z forces.....

 

[azontr]

Can't broly just flex his ki at 0.67% power and atomize Tatsumaki

 

[Delusionaltx2]

Think id vote tatsu as well for kachons reasoning

She'd just redirect the ki blasts and send him to space all with a gesture

 

[Kachon123]

Override as in Ki making contact with her Psychokinetic energy. From there he can manipulate his Ki in anyway he sees fit. Explosive Ki attacks tend to be the norm in Dragon Ball. Remember, Broly is bloodlusted and on top of that he’s in FPSSJ which as I said beforehand thrives on rage. He’s going to kill Tatsumaki regardless of what she decides to do. I also did already anticipate the paralysis inducement argument beforehand. The paralysis inducement really isn’t needed. It could’ve been means of winning if it wasn’t for Tatsumaki’s TK. Also, is she able to TK multiple things at once? Not like it changes anything but it would be nice to know. Back with God Bind which is just expelling Ki, it’d just act as your usual Ki projectile and X her off.

Why would this even work

TK isn’t negating Ki or sucking it out of him. He can very much AOE nuke while he’s being pushed away. It’s quite literally the same reasoning as the examples I gave you with Broly being pushed back by Vegeta and Gogeta. They reposition themselves into their generic stance DUE to Ki. What’s to say Broly can’t use Ki as he’s being flown back when he has already shown the capacity of doing so?

I don't really think you understand the sheer difference in LS and how much of a ragdoll Broly would become after being sent flying...

Like seriously, there's going to be so much force and acceleration that Broly wouldn't even be able to think about doing anything other than trying to breathe properly

 

[Huesito88]

Like seriously, there's going to be so much force and acceleration that Broly wouldn't even be able to think about doing anything other than trying to breathe properly

Would the BFR suddenly have MFTL+ speeds as a result of speed equalization?

 

[Plants_vs_zombies_fan101]

i have to go with broly due to how he has the range and aoe to instantly kill her before she can bfr him frame one

 

[Enter_Bluey]

Vegeta dodging moro's class T tk because he cannot resist the tensile forces...wth

 

[Phoenks]

I don't understand what does sending Broly to space accomplish? He still makes multiversal shockwaves

 

[Kachon123]

Would the BFR suddenly have MFTL+ speeds as a result of speed equalization?

No but it would be 0.75c compared to Broly's 0.01c.

 

[FriendOfTheTeaParty]

Going with broly yea.

 

[GodlyCharmander]

Grace did end a while ago.

Too bad, the votes are too close.

Also, @GodlyCharmander, I don't think anybody was saying Tatsumaki chokes Broly as a wincon. It's mainly her BFR and LS-based attack null that gives her the win.

You can't attack null something infinitely above your power. That's not how it works.

And the LS attack null is not based on the gap between her TK and Broly's physicals. It needs to be an actual absolute value that is strong enough to put counter-force to the attack. The counterforce here needs to be multiversal, which Class Z is NOT. She can't deflect a 2-C AP Ki Blast/Shockwave.

The LS Meta is a joke because it's just a gross misunderstanding of BASIC PHYSICS.

You have to remember that Tatsumaki has--

Great, she's not stopping an omni-directional 2-C attack with telekinesis. And we're not pretending she is. I'm not debating basic physics if you're not willing to apply it properly.

 

[GodlyCharmander]

I don't really think you understand the sheer difference in LS

I don't think you understand that a difference in LS is IRRELEVANT to how capable she is of bending infinite energy. That's not LS, you're claiming she can bend INFINITE ENERGY

That's the claim. You're making a false equivalence, "Tatsumaki has a higher LS than Broly's physical body, so even the attacks that would make her atoms turn inside out are canceled", the gap in LS is UNRELATED to her ability to stop energy/shockwaves, it's infinite pressure. Be so fr.

 

[GodlyCharmander]

She'd just redirect the ki blasts

Is there a way for me to genuinely contact an authority in the forum to stop people from claiming something that's objectively untrue.

You're claiming Class Z LS from a Moon level character can REDIRECT A MULTIVERSAL LEVEL amount of energy, which would imply MULTIVERSAL LEVELS of pressure, and require MULTIVERSAL LEVELS OF FORCE to redirect.