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I was trying to find every mistake previous 1-A Afterlife scalers did and make it as best as I could, it can has mistakes(nothing in this world is perfect) but I would like to know where and why?
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All Purpose Dragon Ball Thread
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ExcelsisBerny
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I agree
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Ok. Let's be the most generous people ever and say the argument for 1-A is correct.
Living Universe isn't infinite in DBS canon
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Why? Isn't the worldview shared?
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Umm...can you atleast say where am I wrong in the blog?
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General worldview yeah, but if there are "contradictions" the composite worldview is discarded. One of the examples is that: the size of the universe. Reason why no DBS character has infinite speed and why Grand Priest gets blitzed by base Pan.
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Um, shouldn't the worldview iteself be not shared in that case? It can't be shared and not shared at the same time. And what contradictions are we talking about, like it was stated mortal world is split in 4 quadrants even in Toei
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Honestly I agree that the standards right now are kinda arbitrary and feel more like a way to pseudo-composite all continuities as long as it can be done.
And nah, DBS universe isn't accepted as infinite because it has a center and an edge, not because of the 4 quadrants.
And nah, DBS universe isn't accepted as infinite because it has a center and an edge, not because of the 4 quadrants.
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Yeah, it's should be either composite without including contradictions(because in that case everything would contradict everything if we include every contradiction about worldview and worldbuilding in every DB media) or just made by itself, which would make DB cosmology really wacky as at this point we can't use any other source except the series for what we use this cosmology, which would mean we can't even use databooks because they would create contradictions, which would lead to not including them
But pseudo-composite isn't better than composite because the world can't be shared and not at the same time, that's just not how it works logicallyIf Toei universe is devided in 4 guadrants shouldn't it mean that it has a center and an edge like DBS one? As if we can devide it in 4 parts, then these parts can be devided too and there should be a center between them
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I’ve been running the comp today and I deadass went from top 2k to top 350 in two sittings, this team is demented asfYeah that’s probably going to be one of the best teams in the game. I don’t even have TGB though. I do have red Z Broly who’s unique comes a week after iirc.
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Top 350 is insanity I got to top 950 I think but I’m back to top 3k since I haven’t been playing PVP as much. I got shafted with 9k cc trying to 8* Broly and it put me off for a while lol. I’ll probably post all the teams I run here just so you can see what I’m working with.
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I dont see any Valid 1-A argument here?
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Chapter 40 he firstly he Goes Fiery Aura Form against UI Sign Goku
They said he is serious first now they see a aura
Every Other media always calls him Full Power. in the Manga he says "I have no limits" I think limit broken comes from here
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pretty much yeah, iirc it was said that he unlocked the powers that were dormant within him, or something along those lines, but he only started using his FP when UI Goku cornered him
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Maybe leave these kinds of things to more qualified people.
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Does anyone have the scan/image from the Dragon Ball Super: Broly light novel where Beerus is stated to be the strongest God of Destruction?
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supertomioka
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No I just wanted to flex for the Screen shot I like using my LL blue ssj2 Gohan and nappa
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Trying to make Goku 1A with "1A" realm
Goku punching it away is an anti feat already
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Goku from DBH is powerful; now his punch is 7D and can destroy everything.
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If that's the case, then I think it should be specified in both Goku's and Fu's pages.
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Well, in short, Afterlife doesn't have time and space and has qualitive superiority above the living world(via shockwave moment and several statements)
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Like who?
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By this logic nothing in DB is higher dimensional because Goku can punch everything away and all Goku versions are 3 dimensional beings that can't add dimensionality to them, so lower dimensional being can't destroy higher dimensional worlds and Goku is bounded by his physiology, he moves in straght lines when higher dimensional beings don't do that, etc. Let's downgrade Xenoverse cosmology to 3-4D at max, bruh
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1-A Afterlife yet being contained within a timeline (space-time continuum) is a huge anti-argument already. Unless the timeline possesses higher concepts of space-time, good luck trying to argue that way
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Timeline is more than just space-time as World of Void, which doesn't has space and time, does exist in it. We can see that from Xenoverse missions
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When Goku says time doesn't exist in the Other World, he's referring to the fact that inhabitants of the Other World are already dead and are, thus, functionally immortal, meaning they have what is essentially unlimited time to spend, rendering exhaustion, for example, insignificant. Moreover, the bodies of the dead evidently expend less energy than the bodies of the living, as stated by Goku during the battle with Kid Buu. If time didn't exist, then King Yemma wouldn't've been able to cross Snake Way "in just the past hundred million years"; Goku wouldn't've been able to increase his abilities or experience the year progressing as he traveled across Snake Way; and Vegeta wouldn't've been able to observe the events transpiring concurrently in the Living World; and Frieza, in Hell, wouldn't've been able to grow rusty or then later train his Golden Frieza form.
Goku has a physical body and interacts with the world physically. Hell, even when he is alive, Goku can travel to King Kai and interact with his planet. Physically.
I genuinely do not understand how you can read one statement say: "The world of Dragon Ball extends without end and has a truly limitless scale that goes beyond human comprehension," and then read another statement saying: "Heavenly land higher than the sky, transcends dimension and can't be perceived from the human world," and deduce that the Other World is qualitatively superior to the Living World and not the Other World is a separate dimension from the Living World.
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You can argue Afterlife to be +1D, but that it, 1-A is.........wel...........
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If it's simultaneously superior to the Living World but also lacks time, then wouldn't it just be 4D? An extra spatial dimension but without a temporal dimension.
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First: Goku didn't say about their time but about time in the mortal world as it was referred to him losing more energy in the mortal world because there is time in the mortal world, when in the Afterlife there is no time and he can use it without losing energy. And it doesn't refferering to his time limit in the mortal world as Uranai Baba doesn't revive or do anything with souls from the Afterlife, she just travel them from the Afterlife to mortal world(as it was stated in original DB) by going through the barrier. So there was no limitations for Goku except the fact mortal world had time, which was the reason for Goku losing energy in SS3
Second: I already reviewed the fact about time in Afterlife [There are some statements about time and distance measurements in Afterlife, however in Buu saga it was stated that time measurement is made by Mortal worlds time, which is accurate as every such statement is connected to Mortal World and not Afterlife's time(because it doesn't have one).] So Afterlife just follows Mortal worlds time as the Afterlife itself doesn't has one, but via timeline(which has time and spaceless too World Void in it) that makes everything go in one specific way in history for every dimension in it. The same thing we can apply to World of Void which didn't have time but via timeline action in it happened at the same maner as in mortal world(we even saw how people from universe 2 in anime was watching the tornament in World of Void while being in the mortal world).
I reviewed that too in my blog.
[Some might ask, how people from other world can enter Afterlife and leave it? The answer is in Daizenshu and Chozenshu.
Afterlife can be visited by dead people and those who has permission from the Afterlife. But even if you don't has permission and enter the Afterlife via Shunkan Ido or Kai Kai, you still bypass the barrier, which makes your existence simillar to soul(the same thing probably happens with those who has permission) as it's shown here:
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Title: THE WORLD AFTER DEATH (Scheme 3)
This world (The World of the Living - the lower part)
All living beings:The lower circle on the scheme.
Process: When a living being dies, it becomes a soul and goes to the World of Enma, which is located in the Otherworld.
Transition:An upward arrow with the text "Become souls."
Judgment in the Palace (Center)
As it shows how by traveling in the Afterlife and bypassing the barrier(wave thing) the person's existence becomes like soul's, as it comes from the Mortal world, which is shown flat(2D), to Afterlife, which is shown as 3D objects in contrast to Mortal World]
And you didn't even address it. Seriously, you should read it more properly
Those are more add on statements, when the main thing is shockwave moment. Also the first one talks about the scale, not just the separation, and the second one depends on the person's interpretation as the translator said
["Transcends dimensions" in original 次元を超越した天の国 can be interpreted by many ways: Word 次元 can mean "dimensionality" in mathematical way, or dimension( length, width, height). But it has third meaning: "point of view", "perspective". 次元を超越した天の国 - "transcends point of view", if literally. Probably, it means it's a place that is impossible to see/understand from human world. But why is unclear. Either it's something with dimensionality or it just can't be perceived cuz it's beyond human comprehension"]
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Why?
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Well Afterlife is not physical too, so it doesn't has time and space, which makes it BDE type 1 and with qualitive superiority it becomes type 3
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An extra spatial dimension still added to the totality of the entire Macrocosm make it 5D, of course the Afterlife will be 4D spatial due to lacking time, but the entire macrocosm will have 4 spatial + 1 temporal = 5D
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Day is a concept used to refer the amount of time a certain planet needs to rotate on its axis once. One Earth day refers to 24h, different planets have different days length.
Not to mention that if the otherworld truly lacked time, then infinite time in the otherworld would be 0 time in the living universe, similar to how 1 year in the Time Chamber is 1 day in the living universe, but to an extreme.
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That's not how it works in DB, because in that case time on Planet Namek, Earth and other planets in the mortal world wouldn't flow at the same time via time delation in Einstein's TOR(that wouldn't happen only if planets are SUPER close to each other or if time in DB's mortal world flows the same way on every planet+we know that DB's physics works not the same way as ours because Bulma could talk with Master Roshi by the phone while being light years away from Earth). Also days on Namek were measurered the same way as Earth's days(time) without reffering to it, so no
No, both Afterlife and Mortal world exist in timeline via it they exist at the same moment. The same thing we saw with World of Void which was stated to lack time and space, but people from the universe 2 could see what happen in the World of Void while being in their universe. So no, action in such realities exist at the same moment with those that do have time
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Dude, it's not that deep. The time a day takes in a planet has no relationship to Einstein's Theory of Relativity, just to —as I have already said— the time it needs to rotate on its axis once. That is literally the definition of day, stop overanalizing things.
WoV lacked time previous to the ToP creation, after the ToP it has time. The main plot of the ToP is that the time left is limited so universes have to hurry and eliminate the other before the timer ends. We also see characters warp space and control time throughout the entire ToP, like Hit or Anilaza.
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