All Purpose Dragon Ball Thread

[Nierre]

the Flash show

lmfao I've heard about how terrible the flash writing is in terms of consistency. powerscaling that verse must be a headache

 

[KingTempest]

lmfao I've heard about how terrible the flash writing is in terms of consistency. powerscaling that verse must be a headache

They think a billion joules is a megaton and that mach 7 is enough to rapidly circle the earth

 

[Huesito88]

You just had to bring up the Elephant in the room

 

[Phsccarvalho]

 

[Qurbonboev]

Tbh it is pretty weird that DB CRTs seem to be the only one held up to "Can't go past the first page" standard, cause practically every Hazbin, Deltarune, JJk CRTs have similar momentum and putting them as Staff Threads was never really even considered.

You meant to say Undertale here, isn't? DR had total of two controversial CRTs in recent times (and only in one of them staff votes were decisive).

Consistency of LS (anti) statements is impressive. Did Toriyama had notes somewhere about how strong this or that fighter should be?

Needless to say, this CRT would make chances of restoring (most) combat speed multipliers lower. One of the arguments for them was UES and that increase in AP should be 1:1 to combat speed increase. If we deny this reasoning for LS, there is no reason to hold strongly to same idea for combat speed

 

[Mgebrat282]

Oh, right, we do databook separation here.

Did you put your calc in calc revision https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/U...sion,_using_an_alternate_method_(Dragon_Ball) ?

 

[Fezzih_007]

If we deny this reasoning for LS,

I don't think we use multipliers for LS anyway, so

 

[Qurbonboev]

I don't think we use multipliers for LS anyway, so

Yeah, and site not using them for LS was used as argument for not using them for combat speed

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

Hmm, i saw a Bleach fan agreeing over there on CRT, interesting...

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

Base Miniku stopping the Megath Child's hand in its track and pushing it back, even forcing the Child to exert effort to overpower him would probably get some good results considering, in comparison to the Megath, Miniku and co are shorter than their dog's equivalent of a single poil and are around the size of ticks.

 

[Phsccarvalho]

Base Miniku stopping the Megath Child's hand in its track and pushing it back, even forcing the Child to exert effort to overpower him would probably get some good results considering, in comparison to the Megath, Miniku and co are shorter than their dog's equivalent of a single poil and are around the size of ticks.

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

 

[Qurbonboev]

Unironically if downgrades went through, could be good feat.
Was it calculated at all?

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

Unironically if downgrades went through, could be good feat.
Was it calculated at all?

It's a Toei thing so it ain't getting touched by the downgrade.
It's really funny, Toei added scenes like Cell stopping asteroids in their tracks and Goku moving a planet but also had Goku at his strongest struggling to move a building lol

 

[Qurbonboev]

It's a Toei thing so it ain't getting touched by the downgrade.
It's really funny, Toei added scenes like Cell stopping asteroids in their tracks and Goku moving a planet but also had Goku at his strongest struggling to move a building lol

Forgot that it was GT

 

[Huesito88]

It's a Toei thing so it ain't getting touched by the downgrade.
It's really funny, Toei added scenes like Cell stopping asteroids in their tracks and Goku moving a planet but also had Goku at his strongest struggling to move a building lol

Don't forget we see fodder great apes existing fine in Planet Vegeta

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

Don't forget we see fodder great apes existing fine in Planet Vegeta

Think in canon too, the evil Saiyans that fought Yamoshi were also Great Apes.

 

[JustANormalPerson01]

Great Apes scaling above other forms in LS reminded me of this funny GT moment where Great Ape Vegeta pinned SSJ4 Goku down

 

[Nullflowerblush]

Goku moving a planet

Do you think Goku physically pushed the planet? Like, with his bare hands? You think the body was a planet?

Think in canon too, the evil Saiyans that fought Yamoshi were also Great Apes.

Just to clarify, ignoring how Yamoshi and the original Super Saiyan God, who may or may not have even existed, are separate characters, Yamoshi is an ancient Saiyan from Planet Sadala, and its gravitational acceleration is currently unknown.

Base Miniku stopping the Megath Child's hand in its track and pushing it back, even forcing the Child to exert effort to overpower him would probably get some good results considering, in comparison to the Megath, Miniku and co are shorter than their dog's equivalent of a single poil and are around the size of ticks.

The aura visually indicates Goku is currently amplifying his physical strength beyond his current limits through Ki. Because he can amplify his physical strength beyond his current limits through Ki, as stated by Toriyama and by various official supplementary sources. They are not passively increasing their physical abilities with Ki, they have to make an effort to concentrate the Ki throughout their body.

Daima Goku only being to lift 40 tons normally and then resisting Class M levels of force because he enhanced his strength with his Ki are two ideas which are capable of co-existing.

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

Do you think Goku physically pushed the planet? Like, with his bare hands? You think the body was a planet?

I'm referring to this.

Just to clarify, ignoring how Yamoshi and the original Super Saiyan God, who may or may not have even existed, are separate characters, Yamoshi is an ancient Saiyan from Planet Sadala, and its gravitational acceleration is currently unknown.

...In time evil again took root on Planet Vegeta.

Is this like a Dub only line, or a retcon, or?

The aura visually indicates Goku is currently amplifying his physical strength beyond his current limits through Ki. Because he can amplify his physical strength beyond his current limits through Ki, as stated by Toriyama and by various official supplementary sources. They are not passively increasing their physical abilities with Ki, they have to make an effort to concentrate the Ki throughout their body.

Daima Goku only being to lift 40 tons normally and then resisting Class M levels of force because he enhanced his strength with his Ki are two ideas which are capable of co-existing.

Yeah Goku without Ki is what, 9-B? Though we don't list how strong the characters are without empowering themselves with Ki, neither do most of the anti-feats apply to their no-ki selfs (Goku/Piccolo are using a bunch of Ki while they're fighting clearly, same with Gravity Training) so I don't see how this is relevant?

 

[Nullflowerblush]

I'm referring to this.

****, you're right. Daizenshuu 5 confirms the body was a planet (星).

Is this like a Dub only line, or a retcon, or?

Both? In the original version of the film version, Shenron does speak of the original Super Saiyan God, but he establishes the Super Saiyan God as having originated from Planet Vegeta; and the character of Yamoshi was only established by Toriyama years later, and he lived "before Planet Vegeta was the Saiyans's planet". Moreover, though, the legend of the Super Saiyan God and the story of Yamoshi being nearly identical does suggest the original Super Saiyan God was entirely fictional, being a mythologization of the real life history of the Sadala civil war and the original Super Saiyan, Yamoshi.

Yeah Goku without Ki is what, 9-B?

No? Throughout the series, in his normal form, he has:

• Outclassed Tien Shinhan, whose strength surpasses that of characters capable of physically deflecting a Kamehameha, like Jackie Chun;
• Overpowered the likes of the original King Piccolo, who was capable of withstanding a full powered Kamehameha without any damage using less than half of his full strength even before restoring his youth, and then later Piccolo Jr., who was significantly more powerful than his predecessor;
• Deflected Grieza's Death Beam Barrage, which scale above, for example, the basic Ki Blast from the Fingertips he used to destroy Planet Vegeta;
• Exchanged blows with and even staggered Frieza, who could withstand Gohan's fully powered energy attacks, both before and after his Zenkai; etc.

The majority of any character's feats are performed without actively amplifying their strength. To amplify their strength requires concentrating and heightening their Ki, as seen during Goku's Meteor Combination, Tien using the Shiyōken, Goku powering up to fight Nappa, Vegeta explicitly unleashing his full power against Goku, Goku explicitly instantaneously heightening his Ki before attacking Recoome or Jeice and Burter, Vegeta powering up to fight Recoome, Gohan and Krillin powering up to fight Guldo, King Piccolo explicitly unleashing his full power against Goku, Piccolo overpowering Android 20 by explicitly amplifying his Ki before attacking, etc.

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

****, you're right. Daizenshuu 5 confirms the body was a planet (星).

Both? In the original version of the film version, Shenron does speak of the original Super Saiyan God, but he establishes the Super Saiyan God as having originated from Planet Vegeta; and the character of Yamoshi was only established by Toriyama years later, and he lived "before Planet Vegeta was the Saiyans's planet". Moreover, though, the legend of the Super Saiyan God and the story of Yamoshi being nearly identical does suggest the original Super Saiyan God was entirely fictional, being a mythologization of the real life history of the Sadala civil war and the original Super Saiyan, Yamoshi.

Neat.

No? Throughout the series, in his normal form, he has:

• Outclassed Tien Shinhan, whose strength surpasses that of characters capable of physically deflecting a Kamehameha, like Jackie Chun;
• Overpowered the likes of the original King Piccolo, who was capable of withstanding a full powered Kamehameha without any damage using less than half of his full strength even before restoring his youth, and then later Piccolo Jr., who was significantly more powerful than his predecessor;
• Deflected Grieza's Death Beam Barrage, which scale above, for example, the basic Ki Blast from the Fingertips he used to destroy Planet Vegeta;
• Exchanged blows with and even staggered Frieza, who could withstand Gohan's fully powered energy attacks, both before and after his Zenkai; etc.

The majority of any character's feats are performed without actively amplifying their strength. To amplify their strength requires concentrating and heightening their Ki, as seen during Goku's Meteor Combination, Tien using the Shiyōken, Goku powering up to fight Nappa, Vegeta explicitly unleashing his full power against Goku, Goku explicitly instantaneously heightening his Ki before attacking Recoome or Jeice and Burter, Vegeta powering up to fight Recoome, Gohan and Krillin powering up to fight Guldo, King Piccolo explicitly unleashing his full power against Goku, Piccolo overpowering Android 20 by explicitly amplifying his Ki before attacking, etc.

I don't think those are cases of Ki amplifying a character beyond their normal power so much as the characters simply holding back, with "flaring up their Ki" just being them revealing their actual full power. Like in the Burter and Jeice example, Goku's baseline power isn't 5,000, it's 80,000. He's just suppressing his power to conserve energy, as Vegeta says (It doesn't look like he's suppressing it in terms of speed either, cause if he was really operating at 5,000 he'd be the one getting blitzed not the other way around). The DKP example is pretty explicit with that "Since my life shortens whenever I fight at full power... I prefer not to, when I can avoid it."

And it's really not relevant with the anti-feats, like Tien explicitly says weighted Goku had even greater power than when he fought DKP's full power in their fight, 100G is still outright lethal to Saiyan Saga Goku's full power and SSJ Vegeta couldn’t budge Magetta no matter what he did.
Like they'd all still apply even if we split the characters into "Normal" states and "Full Power" states.

 

[Nullflowerblush]

To clarify, you do understand Battle Power is a measurement of one's Ki and does not include one's physical abilities, right?

 

[Gp972]

There have been like 3 downgrades in a row already, didn't they scold someone for doing the same thing with Undertale?

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

To clarify, you do understand Battle Power is a measurement of one's Ki and does not include one's physical abilities, right?

I don't think it's just that? Otherwise how did Yajirobe get a PL of 970 despite not even being able to throw a Ki blast lol

 

[Omegabronic]

There have been like 3 downgrades in a row already, didn't they scold someone for doing the same thing with Undertale?

who's "they"?

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

There have been like 3 downgrades in a row already, didn't they scold someone for doing the same thing with Undertale?

I don't think anyone has been scold for that before, hell Fuji did so like, 12 times in a row.

 

[Gp972]

who's "they"?

The translator sometimes fails, I mean someone got scolded by staff

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

There have been like 3 downgrades in a row already, didn't they scold someone for doing the same thing with Undertale?

I think someone seriously pissed off the calc guy, honestly. But what scares me the most is how many people are agreeing with these downgrades: Bleach fans, JoJo fans, and a bunch of random people. These guys are mass downgrading characters just to test how far our patience can go.

 

[Nullflowerblush]

If Daizenshuu 7 and various other guidebooks establish the Living World and Other World co-exist within a "combined space" (あの世とこの世をあわせた空間 anoyo to konoyo o awaseta kūkan)—which the Supreme Kai's World is one-tenth the size of—could events like Gohan sensing SS3 Goku (on Earth) from the Supreme Kai's World and Goku sensing Gohan (on the Supreme Kai's World) from Other World, but Goku, Shin, and Kibito being incapable of sensing Buu's Ki inside the Room of Spirit and Time—"another dimension [of time]"—from the Supreme Kai's World; and SSG Goku and Beerus's shock waves travelling throughout the physical universe and then to the Supreme Kai's World imply the greater Universe being made up of an additional spatial dimension containing at least two universal 4D structures, thus making an entire macrocosm a 5D structure?

Otherwise how did Yajirobe get a PL of 970 despite not even being able to throw a Ki blast lol

By training. What? The size and power of your Ki can grow without you being capable of manipulating the energy. Your Ki grows the most when you are training your mental facilities and honing your energy specifically, but your Ki also naturally develops alongside your body, due to a culmination of a number of different factors (e.g., genki, shōki, life force, willpower, etc.). Ki is the life energy of the body, after all.

 

[Gp972]

I think someone seriously pissed off the calc guy, honestly. But what scares me the most is how many people are agreeing with these downgrades: Bleach fans, JoJo fans, and a bunch of random people. These guys are mass downgrading characters just to test how far our patience can go.

The consequences of being the most influential and popular anime/manga in history, I suppose.

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

I don't think anyone has been scold for that before, hell Fuji did so like, 12 times in a row.

I feel bad for the DMC and GoW fans getting hit with so many mass downgrades from Fuji. His hatred was really aimed at those two franchises

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

The consequences of being the most influential and popular anime/manga in history, I suppose.

No way, our verse has gone back to the golden age, where we had downgrades every day, when one closed there was another, one after the other, and what was worse was that it was very funny.

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

I feel bad for the DMC and GoW fans getting hit with so many mass downgrades from Fuji. His hatred was really aimed at those two franchises

Her. And like come on, one of the things Fuji removed from GoW was some character having life manip... For getting pregnant...
It's genuinely crazy how much stuff GoW got away with back then, and still does today.

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

Her. And like come on, one of the things Fuji removed from GoW was some character having life manip... For getting pregnant...
It's genuinely crazy how much stuff GoW got away with back then, and still does today.

Greek mythology, bro.

 

[Omegabronic]

I think someone seriously pissed off the calc guy, honestly. But what scares me the most is how many people are agreeing with these downgrades: Bleach fans, JoJo fans, and a bunch of random people. These guys are mass downgrading characters just to test how far our patience can go.

Or maybe they just agree with the arguments? Don't instigate a "My Fandom vs Their Fandom" mentality dude, we are not in 2016

 

[Nullflowerblush]

The Taiyōken being negated by sunglasses should qualify for "behaves in a reasonably realistic way", I think.

 

[Omegabronic]

If Daizenshuu 7 and various other guidebooks establish the Living World and Other World co-exist within a "combined space" (あの世とこの世をあわせた空間 anoyo to konoyo o awaseta kūkan)—which the Supreme Kai's World is one-tenth the size of

scan please?

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

If Daizenshuu 7 and various other guidebooks establish the Living World and Other World co-exist within a "combined space" (あの世とこの世をあわせた空間 anoyo to konoyo o awaseta kūkan)—which the Supreme Kai's World is one-tenth the size of—could events like Gohan sensing SS3 Goku (on Earth) from the Supreme Kai's World and Goku sensing Gohan (on the Supreme Kai's World) from Other World, but Goku, Shin, and Kibito being incapable of sensing Buu's Ki inside the Room of Spirit and Time—"another dimension [of time]"—from the Supreme Kai's World; and SSG Goku and Beerus's shock waves travelling throughout the physical universe and then to the Supreme Kai's World imply the greater Universe being made up of an additional spatial dimension containing at least two universal 4D structures, thus making an entire macrocosm a 5D structure?

Null, being the savior of the verse? Could you send me all the scans?

 

[KaramcaS]

It feels like something has been planned and put into action this month