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I'm actually gonna murder you for this someday
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Strongest 5-D Characters on the Wiki
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I thought you were going to give me the thread that talks about it lol
The NEP page is clear, if reality is nuked they are effectively "defeated" unless they have feats of still display some existent properties on a different plane of existence.
Because you are destroying the whole thing. That's how Aliex-X got away with having history, info2, concept and other stuff for being able to nuke reality. Destroy reality and all in it goes too. It doesn't give you individual abilities obviously.
As for BDE, idk I haven't looked at any thread that talks about it. I would assume it is under the same rules as NEP of necessitating something to "display" some existing property or feats.
eehhh 50/50 here, dunno what would happen
It still doesn't help that Hellfilth is an infinite amount of L1C universes away
I mean sure why not
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Well, it doesn't automatically mean DMC's concept and Tensura's information scale to each other. Atleast, that's what understood from this page hence we have to give both aspects the benefit of the doubt here.
How? Both verses have superiority over CM
DMC soul > type 1 concept
Tensura information > type 1 concept
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GoW doesn't have information being superior to type 1 concepts but Tensura does + also having cm 1 in the verse that's the difference
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That CM1 means nothing if it is below the specified information unless the concept in question scales to information themselves apparently
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Again, it is a topic that depends on interpretation and not something that have definitive answer to it. Even assume having CM1 on the same scale as DMC's souls themselves, you have to deal with the layers too on top of it so information is really your only bread and butter here
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BTW where is the sealing hax for hellfilth? She literally seals the timeline to prevent Dante and Vergil from escaping, why didn't you add that?
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Gonna take some time. You have infected me with your virus
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Do it for me
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Plane of existence as mentioned on the Nonexistent Physiology page isn't just conventional space-time, else any powerful enough character can just ignore NEP entirely.
You very much have to actually address why Helfilth can affect Chaos or Tensura and not just hide behind that one line.
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I think nuking dimension here implies "Nonexistence in 4-D isn't Nonexistence in 5-D hence nuking 5 Dimensional space would be enough for killing NEP from 4th Existence.
But well even if so I guess it literally won't work since Chaos and Tensura characters are 5-D kinda meaning their NEP from 5-D. So I don't see how nuking 5-Dimensional Reality would affect GoW and Tensura characters ceasing to exist. But idk what DT clearly meant here since he didn't respond to if exactly Dimensionless NEP (Which can imply Space Time aspect as well as BDE 1 since same bs) counters nuking reality. So I guess it would be better to clarify that if nuking reality gets countered by lacking space time
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Sigh... The entire point of non-existence is to ignore existence entirely. Space-time is an extension of existence so in that sense destroying it shouldn't achieve anything whatsoever. Especially those with BDE shouldn't even care about it
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Ugh, if people are gonna reference shit I say please just quote me so I can actually respond to correct any potential misunderstandings
I'm not reading through/quoting all that
The way that a cosmology nuke works to incapacitate a character is under the assumption that the character then can no longer act due to the resulting reality lacking one or more features that would allow them to take actions the resulting void, from the basic lack of space-time to the more esoteric lack of various metaphysical aspects, what it doesn't mean is that said cosmology nuke extends to features of reality that the verse itself doesn't have from beforehand, even moreso when said features "underlie" the reality being nuked in question.
Having BDE is an easy way to be able to act in cosmology nuke situations if and only if the nuke is just spatiotemporal or what have you, given you as a character already lack spatiotemporal features and thus being able to act without them is pretty easy, that doesn't extent to if the destruction of anything beyond space-time, but it's a good basis (and is still required beyond just having a feat of such)
Hellfith's destruction of reality isn't enough to bypass the existence of Tensura characters being informational and whatnot, we only assume what goes is what the verse already has (and in any case I'm wondering why they haven't just submitted god to the list to shut this debate down given the NEP 2)
I'm not reading through/quoting all that
The way that a cosmology nuke works to incapacitate a character is under the assumption that the character then can no longer act due to the resulting reality lacking one or more features that would allow them to take actions the resulting void, from the basic lack of space-time to the more esoteric lack of various metaphysical aspects, what it doesn't mean is that said cosmology nuke extends to features of reality that the verse itself doesn't have from beforehand, even moreso when said features "underlie" the reality being nuked in question.
Having BDE is an easy way to be able to act in cosmology nuke situations if and only if the nuke is just spatiotemporal or what have you, given you as a character already lack spatiotemporal features and thus being able to act without them is pretty easy, that doesn't extent to if the destruction of anything beyond space-time, but it's a good basis (and is still required beyond just having a feat of such)
Hellfith's destruction of reality isn't enough to bypass the existence of Tensura characters being informational and whatnot, we only assume what goes is what the verse already has (and in any case I'm wondering why they haven't just submitted god to the list to shut this debate down given the NEP 2)
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Being nonexistent doesn't actually make you independent of space-time, you still have to interact with people through reality/space-time to do things surprisingly or not,
BDE does, however, do the job
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There is no possible way to interact with Chaos so most likely
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i would ask this for Chaos vs AIO
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yes
i wanted to know if Rimuru's BDE would save himself from Chaos erasure
If its just incon doesn't that mean tensura characters take 4th place
i wanted to know if Rimuru's BDE would save himself from Chaos erasure
If its just incon doesn't that mean tensura characters take 4th place
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Blue names can't ping people and give them a notif as a result, only staff can
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Lol no. It would just be Tensura characters unable to interact with DMC Souls and DMC characters not being able to interact with Info 2 of Tensura.
So just incon.
But DMC characters can still AoE BFR, Power Null, Seal etc.
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Should I bring up that there's a Type 1 concept superior to a Type 1 concept on a fundamental level in Tensura too?
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what is that?
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Just create a match and debate it there, that's where versus battles are for.
Tanin_iver
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Oh btw, PoH and Athena also should be uninteractable from GoW iirc.
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Attributes (the thing magic utilizes) >>>> Spiritual Lifeforms
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Yeah as Spaceman said, better to just create a vs thread for it
EL_xWatcher1234x
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DMC and Tensura fans?
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Demon Lords May Cry (Rimuru vs Dante From DMC)
Will Dante avenge his fallen brethen Kratos after his defeat at the Hands of the Ruler of Monsters ? Or will another Hybrid Fall !? Rules : 1. Speed Equalised 2. Distance : 500 Metres 3. Location : Red Grave City 4. Both Low 1C (DMC 5 Dante and Digital Lifeform Rimuru is used) Funny Woohoo...
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EL_xWatcher1234x
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To whoever is responsible for Greeza's profile
His AE should be changed to 1 and aspect type 2 added to his NEP
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Also, I never really understood what's up with "What a beautiful series" people at spot 1
Their profiles say they have BDE2
How are they not Low 1-A or smurfs?
Their profiles say they have BDE2
How are they not Low 1-A or smurfs?
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1-A is one thing, Low 1-A is another
And if they're that old and some abilities don't correspond to current standards, why are they even here?
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I've mentioned this before, if the profiles are so outdated they legit have type 2 BDE they shouldn't even be added because who knows what else is outdated (also someone should seriously make a CRT to fix that)
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so my teacher @Hecky2222 is telling me that Chaos stomps tensura verse because of NEP and erasure aspects
is this true
is this true
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Pretty sure Pre-descent Velda does have NEP2 interaction given the recent CRT in Zero NEP2
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does velda have every single ability in tensura verse
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Of regular characters - yea
Infinity, Zero, AIO - no
But he was in the void before creation, so has interacted with things akin to Zero
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