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General DC Comics Discussion Thread

Frankky123 said:
So, The monitors in physical reality are not an emanation or avatar, thats why monarch scale above the monitors?
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Monitors dont work like New Gods no

Plus there's superboy prime scaling with Sodat or whatever his name is and his statement about the Monitors not being able to scratch the paint off his armor

He should be above normal Monitors imo but below Mandrakk or CAS
 
KirbyFan03 said:
Monitors dont work like New Gods no

Plus there's superboy prime scaling with Sodat or whatever his name is and his statement about the Monitors not being able to scratch the paint off his armor

He should be above normal Monitors imo but below Mandrakk or CAS
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The Monitors are much weaker in what they call the germ worlds, which refers to the realities within the Orrery of Worlds. They reduce their scale and pitch to enter germ worlds, so Superboy-Prime should only scale to their diminished states, not to their true state.
 
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Elizio33 said:
The Monitors are much weaker in what they call the germ worlds, which refers to the realities within the Orrery of Worlds. They reduce their scale and pitch to enter germ worlds, so Superboy-Prime should only scale at their diminished states, not to their true state.
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Aaaah MK
 
Small question. Are there any plans to add a key for King Omega Superman? Or a key for King Omega Darkseid?
 
Tarcaver said:
The justification for not including the Darkest Knight feat is honestly super bad, it tries in the same breath to dishonestly argue that he's not even planet level which is super hilarious.

He can do stuff like this casually but sure bro, he needs help for a planetary feat.
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Yeah, that note is nonsense. Nothing states that Prime needed help, especially since he destroyed a universe in the same comic
 
Tarcaver said:
The justification for not including the Darkest Knight feat is honestly super bad, it tries in the same breath to dishonestly argue that he's not even planet level which is super hilarious.

He can do stuff like this casually but sure bro, he needs help for a planetary feat.
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This note should definitely be changed, but the fight itself shouldn't be used to upgrade Superboy-Prime. For one thing, the Darkest Knight held back against Prime and didn't try to kill him like he did during his fight against Perpetua. He was mainly trying to deceive or manipulate Superboy-Prime into joining him.
 
Elizio33 said:
This note should definitely be changed, but the fight itself shouldn't be used to upgrade Superboy-Prime. For one thing, the Darkest Knight held back against Prime and didn't try to kill him like he did during his fight against Perpetua. He was mainly trying to deceive or manipulate Superboy-Prime into joining him.
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what do you think about Prime shattering reality of godhood darkseid & tortured mxy
 
Elizio33 said:
This note should definitely be changed, but the fight itself shouldn't be used to upgrade Superboy-Prime. For one thing, the Darkest Knight held back against Prime and didn't try to kill him like he did during his fight against Perpetua. He was mainly trying to deceive or manipulate Superboy-Prime into joining him.
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Eh
DK straight up says in the middle of the fight that he can't destroy Prime. I understand being wary of chainscaling to the high tiers, but Prime of all characters has demonstrated prior feats (like the ones that Frankky said) that doesn't make this seem like a ludicrous jump.
 
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Elizio33 said:
This note should definitely be changed, but the fight itself shouldn't be used to upgrade Superboy-Prime. For one thing, the Darkest Knight held back against Prime and didn't try to kill him like he did during his fight against Perpetua. He was mainly trying to deceive or manipulate Superboy-Prime into joining him.
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I don’t know, man, this whole thing about a High 1-A compressing his strength/AP down to 2-C levels is extremely weird to me.
 
High 1-A "Superman" Prime seems enormously exaggerated, without truly understanding the sheer magnitude that tier fundamentally means in terms of scale and nature of existence.

What seems reliable to use here for our scaling Elizio, and what tiers seem most reliable to set? 🙏
 
ExcelsisBerny said:
I don’t know, man, this whole thing about a High 1-A compressing his strength/AP down to 2-C levels is extremely weird to me.
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That's how DC Comics has defined their system in order to make it work in terms of story logic. 🙏
 
Tarcaver said:
Eh
DK straight up says in the middle of the fight that he can't destroy Prime. I understand being wary of chainscaling to the high tiers, but Prime of all characters has demonstrated prior feats that doesn't make this seem like a ludicrous jump like the ones that Frankky said.
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I think the Darkest Knight was lying, because he didn't even try to kill Superboy-Prime in the same way he fought Perpetua. He was trying to manipulate Superboy-Prime. We saw such lies from him during his fight against Wonder Woman, when he claimed that she could not create new worlds with anti-crisis energy, while previous statements from Wally West said the opposite. Again, he was trying to manipulate Wonder Woman into letting him kill the Hands.
 
Antvasima said:
That's how DC Comics has defined their system in order to make it work in terms of story logic. 🙏
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I may not be an expert regarding comics as you, Antvasima, but I’m pretty sure that most of the time, the main character receives a massive amp for some X reason that lets them reach the opponent’s level.

It is weird, because on one hand, DC and Marvel benefit from a strange kind of special pleading regarding some things, but on the other hand, there is a level of skepticism that feels way too high to me.

If something like that happened in any other franchise, I’m sure the character would be at least “Varies, up to High 1-A” or something like that.
 
ExcelsisBerny said:
I don’t know, man, this whole thing about a High 1-A compressing his strength/AP down to 2-C levels is extremely weird to me.
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Comics are extremely inconsistent in terms of power scaling, but regarding the fight, it is quite clear that the Dark Knight did not fight Superboy-Prime in the same way he did Perpetua.
 
ExcelsisBerny said:
I may not be an expert regarding comics as you, Antvasima, but I’m pretty sure that most of the time, the main character receives a massive amp for some X reason that lets them reach the opponent’s level.

It is weird, because on one hand, DC and Marvel benefit from a strange kind of special pleading regarding some things, but on the other hand, there is a level of skepticism that feels way too high to me.

If something like that happened in any other franchise, I’m sure the character would be at least “Varies, up to High 1-A” or something like that.
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1-A and upwards technically shouldn't be logically possible for characters that are purely physical in nature in the first place, as far as I am aware, so if anything, I think that Marvel and DC have been given extraordinary degrees of leniency in that regard. 🙏
 
Elizio33 said:
I'm fine with this, but I should first examine the exact context of these feats. Unless someone else can explain it to me.
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it's in my previous comment but Here it is

HI, I think Superboy should have plot manipulation ability & higher tier

There is author's statement saying everyone on earth prime is able to affect reality like the writer which is plot manipulation because earth prime described as a metafiction world also in infinite crisis when Alexander luthor of earth 3 looking for earth prime, he performed a 4th wall feat similiar to Thought Robot in Final Crisis Beyond #2, and superboy prime said realities is a comic page (2). In Earth Prime there is a DC Comics Tower where there is Julie Schwartz (Script editor), Cary Bates & Elliot (Both this are writer) they are representations of real people btw, you can search their names. And this is the ability of writer, Julie(editor)talks about :

Cary Bates was imagining the plot for the next issue and it really happened in reality. "I started dreaming up a plot for my next flash yarn". He chose Trickster as the villain and it actually happened in reality. He did it all just with his mind and happened.

that's why Superboy Prime changed Imaginary Stories Reject after he hit it. The reason he said it was imaginary stories reject because it was a story made by Darkest Knight with the crisis energy which is a stories that never would have been allowed to be real before, same description with stories from Lucien Library which is an impossible story to happen and made from horror of human heart(1)(2)(Impossible Volume) & Crisis Energy is explained to be born from the bad side of humans (we are the batteries for the crisis energy and its opposite) such as greed, selfishness, predation & human desire to be big. This suggests that Crisis Energy is the source of the stories within Lucien's Library, which explains why The Darkest Knight can made them into reality.

Superboy prime new scale :

He tortured mxzptlk and made him scared even with his magic returned (IMP TO MAGIC RETURN) and shouted to seal off the fifth dimension and said superboy prime is the end, even with his powered fifth dimension friends there. It implies superboy capable to affect fifth dimension. In death metal prime also shattered reality of Godhood darkseid with a punch.
 
KirbyFan03 said:
I think High 1-A prime is a valid feat

It's just an outlier
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Because King Omega Darkseid who  is High 1-A sent Prime skedaddling

So I think TDK stuff is an outlier

Feel free to use it in discord debates tho I won't stop you (I literally can't XD)
 
KirbyFan03 said:
Because King Omega Darkseid who  is High 1-A sent Prime skedaddling

So I think TDK stuff is an outlier

Feel free to use it in discord debates tho I won't stop you (I literally can't XD)
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Superboy Prime stated that he was always holding back in this current run. His retcon punch could have easily ended the Darkseid Legion, but he didn’t use it
 
On the topic of The New Gods

Darkseid just gave a bit more consistency to mathematics manip for The New Gods

Speedforce = Deep Change which is an underlying mathematical principle

The Absolute Universe doesn't  have The Speedforce but instead it has Darkseids Omega Force as a replacement

It's even said in current stuff that Omega Speed was going to replace the speedforce iirc

Obviously New Gods can't just dick over mathematics principles like that as their math manip is more akin to super probability manip

I just think it shows King Omega Darkseids New God Physiology got jacked with Omega Steroids when he became K.O.D
 
Frankky123 said:
i dont think he can beat TDK or current darkseid anyway im more focused on fifth dimension statement feat & punching through godhood darkseid reality.

maybe he give a damage to tdk so he able to take TDK's power
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Personally I disagree with current Darkseid as even World Forger said only another King Omega can take him on

Which meant prime wasn't strong enough
 
Superboy Prime’s fight with The Darkest Knight is actually confusing. But when they traded blows, it resulted in the destruction of multiple planets, similar to The Darkest Knight’s battle with Perpetua. After that blow, we see that Prime was the one left standing, and The Darkest Knight got his power spilled out. Prime even stated that he could have taken that power, but he chose not to. (that note in sbp profile really should be deleted)

As shown in the previous scan, The Darkest Knight was actually using his power, he even blast prime with his power crisis energy and prime seems to tanked it, but TDK didn’t use it to its full extent since he still had to face The Hand after.

Atp can we just give him 1-A to 1-A+ possibly/likely h1a?
 
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KirbyFan03 said:
Outlier

As he was no match for another H1A being

Unless this upscales King Omega Darkseid I'll take it!
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Let's take win win solution, prime gets H1A and omega energy is scale 1 layer above seven force for superboy Prime seems not capable of doing the same thing to Darkseid as he did to Darkest Knight☺️
 
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