General DC Comics Discussion Thread

[Hecky2222]

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(I enjoyed it for Darkseid and Darkseid only tbf since I'm a Darkseid simp)

Final Crisis solos

 

[KirbyFan03]

Final Crisis solos

I mean it did undo a lot of villain decay to Darkseid and gave ALL The New Gods respect as well as making them abstracts blatant af (hinted at in the 70s, 80s and 90s but they're more like the marvel gods before FC)

 

[PromptedElephant641]

My personal Crisis Rankings:

Final Crisis (by a wide margin)
Infinite Crisis
Crisis on Infinite Earths
Convergence (This may be controversial but it was enjoyable for what it was)
Dark Nights: Metal
Death Metal
Dark Crisis on Infinite Earths (TBWL / TDK is literally my least favorite character in all of DC yet Dark Crisis was so unnecessary that it easily belongs here)
The Flashpoint (There was literally no need to reboot the Post-Crisis continuity, it took DC 10 or so years to recover from this blunder and it can be argued that it has yet to return to the quality Post-Crisis had reached in the 2000s)

 

[Osemere]

No, it is not. I literally just explained to you that “all possible” is limited to the set of higher dimensions the verse has/shows.

No, that would be all actual dimensions, not all possible dimensions.

And yes, the burden is indeed high. The problem is that the Tiering System page is badly worded. There is still an open staff thread where they are thinking of modifying that part.

The letter is what’s due here, isn’t it? If you can’t point to anything in writing that’s on you.

 

[ExcelsisBerny]

No, that would be all actual dimensions, not all possible dimensions.

 

[Elizio33]

Well it shows that the Bleed encompasses Fifth Dimensional universes in a hyper spatial manner in the same way that lesser versions of the Bleed exist in a hyper spatial manner around normal universes in the Orrery of Worlds. When Superman Prime tears a hole in the fabric of the Mr Mxyzptlk’s universe in the Fifth Dimension, the Bleed can be seen outside of it and when Mr Mxyzptlk flees back home, he moves through the Bleed to get there. And of course, there are random monsters in the Bleed that can consume the Gentry which are the extremely powerful Fifth Dimensional servants of the Empty Hand. In Strnage Visitor Superman Mr Mxyzptlk tells Superman regarding the spaceship Phaethon: “I THOUGHT YOU'D WANNA KNOW IT'S STILL THERE, TRAPPED BETWEEN BLEEDS OF REALITY.” And “THE PHAETHON'S IN A STATE FAR MORE VOLATILE THAN EVEN THE FIFTH DIMENSION'S. TRAPPED IN AN UNSTABLE STATE, A STASIS FLICKERING THROUGH REALITIES LIKE AN UNSPOOLED FILM REEL.” Mr Mxyzptlk tells Superman “YOU'VE GOT A WAYS TO SO BEFORE YOU COULD JOIN THEM. A WAYS TO TRAIN. YOU BETTER START PUMPING IRON.” This version of Superman who has Fifth Dimensional powers granted to him whenever he says NAMERPUS, Superman backwards, has to train for the entire span of the universe’s history in order to reach the Phaethon.

This simply means that the Bleed interacts with higher layers of reality, and not necessarily that it encompasses or surpasses them. We already know that the House of Heroes rotates through the Fifth Dimension around a fixed point in the Orrery of Worlds, which supports this idea. Regarding the Bleed's life devouring a fifth-dimensional Gentry, this also does not support the idea that the Bleed > the Fifth Dimension, since a Gentry ≠ the entirety of the Fifth Dimension. Anyway, I've gathered everything I could find on the Bleed; most of the information is already on our blog, but we need to add more:

The Bleed is the membrane between universes — Final Crisis: Superman Beyond #1

Universes grow within the Bleed like crystals in solution — Final Crisis: Superman Beyond #1

The Bleed houses infinite worlds, crises, and possibilities — Batman Vol 3 #134

The Bleed nature is that of transdimensional energy that goes through an infinity of universes — Batman/Superman: World’s Finest Vol 1 #23

The transdimensional field of the Bleed is a void outside the physical reality — Lazarus Planet: We Once Were Gods Vol 1 #1

The Bleed is an interdimensional Void that separates and connects Multiverses — The DC Book: Vast and Vibrant Multiverse Simply Explained

The Bleed can only be accessed by moving through higher dimensions — The Green Lantern Vol 1 #12

The Monitor Satellite is nexus, which is a unique adjunct to the Timestream, where the Monitors can see everything except the Bleed — Countdown Vol 1 #38

Then, now, and tomorrow coexist in the Bleed. This confirms that the Bleed is beyond linear time — Dark Knights Rising: The Wild Hunt Vol 1 #1

Monitor Zillo Valla had to enhance Superman's vision to 4D so he could understand the Bleed. 4D vision here isn't meant literally, as the Bleed incorporates a greater number of higher dimensions; rather, it describes a multidimensional perspective — Final Crisis: Superman Beyond Vol 1 #1

After reaching the Bleed, Captain Adam no longer perceives his enclosed environment, but rather something beyond the infinite. For comparison, he is able to perceive a Möbius loop curving through eight dimensions — Final Crisis: Superman Beyond Vol 1 #1

The Bleed is the higher-dimensional Bulk between brane universes — Grant Morrison interview regarding Final Crisis

The Bleed is the barrier between Multiverses — Final Crisis: Secret Files Vol 1 #1

The Bleed is a string that hold together all levels of reality — Coup d'État: Sleeper Vol 1 #1

The Bleed is between layers of reality — Death of the New Gods Vol 1 #4

The Bleed is the medium that surrounds and enfolds all dimensions of reality — Infinite Crisis: Fight for the Multiverse Vol 1 #2

The Bleedspace is a higher-dimensional medium fluid that contains the House of Heroes which rotates through the Fifth Dimension around a fixed point in the Orrery of Worlds — Multiversity Guidebook Vol 1 #1

Anyone crossing in the Bleed without a Monitor-class carrier to travel through it properly would find themselves fragmented into an infinite number of possibilities of themselves — Justice League Vol 4 #31

The Bleed is the Ultramenstruum, the essence of life that only Monitors can contain and consume — Final Crisis: Superman Beyond Vol 1 #1

When Mandrakk drinks the Bleed, it is described as feeding directly on the life of the story itself — Newsarama Interview Pt. 1

Draining the Bleed out drained the meaning and story from the Orrery — Newsarama Interview Pt. 1

The Monitors have drilled four siphons from Nil to the Orrery of Worlds where they harvest the Bleed — Multiversity Guidebook Vol 1 #1

The Bleed is referred to as the lifeblood of the Multiverse — Justice League Incarnate Vol 1 #1

The Bleed is the veins of the Multiverse and it is bigger than anything we can imagine — The Authority Vol 1 #1

Superman manages to give a fragment of the Bleed to Lois Lane to heal her, indicating that the Monitors were mistaken in thinking they were the only ones capable of consuming the Bleed — Final Crisis Vol 1 #2

The Bleed's life devoured a fifth-dimensional Gentry — Multiversity Vol 1 #2

The Bleed contains the eleven-dimensional hyperspace of M-Theory before collapsing into the Bleed — The Authority Vol 1 #11

The Bleed is the collective tissue of the Multiverse, with the Speed Force Wall as its impenetrable barrier — Dial H for Hero Vol 1 #5

More to come...

 

[PromptedElephant641]

This simply means that the Bleed interacts with higher layers of reality, and not necessarily that it encompasses or surpasses them. We already know that the House of Heroes rotates through the Fifth Dimension around a fixed point in the Orrery of Worlds, which supports this idea. Regarding the Bleed's life devouring a fifth-dimensional Gentry, this also does not support the idea that the Bleed > the Fifth Dimension, since a Gentry ≠ the entirety of the Fifth Dimension. Anyway, I've gathered everything I could find on the Bleed; most of the information is already on our blog, but we need to add more:

The Bleed is the membrane between universes — Final Crisis: Superman Beyond #1

Universes grow within the Bleed like crystals in solution — Final Crisis: Superman Beyond #1

The Bleed houses infinite worlds, crises, and possibilities — Batman Vol 3 #134

The Bleed nature is that of transdimensional energy that goes through an infinity of universes — Batman/Superman: World’s Finest Vol 1 #23

The transdimensional field of the Bleed is a void outside the physical reality — Lazarus Planet: We Once Were Gods Vol 1 #1

The Bleed is an interdimensional Void that separates and connects Multiverses — The DC Book: Vast and Vibrant Multiverse Simply Explained

The Bleed can only be accessed by moving through higher dimensions — The Green Lantern Vol 1 #12

The Monitor Satellite is nexus, which is a unique adjunct to the Timestream, where the Monitors can see everything except the Bleed — Countdown Vol 1 #38

Then, now, and tomorrow coexist in the Bleed. This confirms that the Bleed is beyond linear time — Dark Knights Rising: The Wild Hunt Vol 1 #1

Monitor Zillo Valla had to enhance Superman's vision to 4D so he could understand the Bleed. 4D vision here isn't meant literally, as the Bleed incorporates a greater number of higher dimensions; rather, it describes a multidimensional perspective — Final Crisis: Superman Beyond Vol 1 #1

After reaching the Bleed, Captain Adam no longer perceives his enclosed environment, but rather something beyond the infinite. For comparison, he is able to perceive a Möbius loop curving through eight dimensions — Final Crisis: Superman Beyond Vol 1 #1

The Bleed is the higher-dimensional Bulk between brane universes — Grant Morrison interview regarding Final Crisis

The Bleed is the barrier between Multiverses — Final Crisis: Secret Files Vol 1 #1

The Bleed is a string that hold together all levels of reality — Coup d'État: Sleeper Vol 1 #1

The Bleed is between layers of reality — Death of the New Gods Vol 1 #4

The Bleed is the medium that surrounds and enfolds all dimensions of reality — Infinite Crisis: Fight for the Multiverse Vol 1 #2

The Bleedspace is a higher-dimensional medium fluid that contains the House of Heroes which rotates through the Fifth Dimension around a fixed point in the Orrery of Worlds — Multiversity Guidebook Vol 1 #1

Anyone crossing in the Bleed without a Monitor-class carrier to travel through it properly would find themselves fragmented into an infinite number of possibilities of themselves — Justice League Vol 4 #31

The Bleed is the Ultramenstruum, the essence of life that only Monitors can contain and consume — Final Crisis: Superman Beyond Vol 1 #1

When Mandrakk drinks the Bleed, it is described as feeding directly on the life of the story itself — Newsarama Interview Pt. 1

Draining the Bleed out drained the meaning and story from the Orrery — Newsarama Interview Pt. 1

The Monitors have drilled four siphons from Nil to the Orrery of Worlds where they harvest the Bleed — Multiversity Guidebook Vol 1 #1

The Bleed is referred to as the lifeblood of the Multiverse — Justice League Incarnate Vol 1 #1

The Bleed is the veins of the Multiverse and it is bigger than anything we can imagine — The Authority Vol 1 #1

Superman manages to give a fragment of the Bleed to Lois Lane to heal her, indicating that the Monitors were mistaken in thinking they were the only ones capable of consuming the Bleed — Final Crisis Vol 1 #2

The Bleed's life devoured a fifth-dimensional Gentry — Multiversity Vol 1 #2

The Bleed contains the eleven-dimensional hyperspace of M-Theory before collapsing into the Bleed — The Authority Vol 1 #11

The Bleed is the collective tissue of the Multiverse, with the Speed Force Wall as its impenetrable barrier — Dial H for Hero Vol 1 #5

More to come...

Good stuff. Here is a few more things:

The Bleed is “the space between worlds in the multiverse.” - Justice League Incarnate Vol1 #3.

“This is the Bleed. It's been described as an ocean, a river, a place between places I'm still learning it, but it's a way of getting from one place to another … … and it's the one place I can be away from the prying eyes of the monitors.”- Ion Vol1 #10.

The Candlemaker-Mr Immortal gets banished to the Bleed where he will be unable to cause any damage. The Bleed is described as the "space between universes" - Unstoppable Doom Patrol Vol1 #7.

This goes along with the fact that the Monitors admit that they can see everything everywhere but the Bleed is beyond their vision - Countdown to Final Crisis Vol1 #39.
(You already have this but have the wrong citation. I use Read_All_Comics because the way it indexes comics is more efficient than Read_Comics_Online by keeping all issues from one title in one place and organizing them by volume number. Unfortunately, this ONE panel (https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/U...y_solved?file=Dimensional_space_Countdown.jpg) was left out of issue 39, so I read through all 52 issues of Countdown trying to find it, thinking I must have been mistaken, but I did not find it. Thinking I must have missed it, I read through it again but still did not find it. Then I did some reverse image searches but I did not find any matches. Now thinking I must be going insane I uploaded the picture to Chat GPT which for once was actually useful and asked it to find that panel, and surprisingly it found a review of the comic back from when it was published confirming that it was in issue 39. So I decided to check Read_Comics_Online this time and it was actually there )

“The Bleed is something Else. It is the interstitial void that exists between realities. The medium between multiversal continua.” - Titans Vol3 #32.

The Bleed connects to everything, even Unearth, a fictional world made real by Source energy, that has been removed from the multiverse and is described as being entirely separate as well as being the closest thing to Eden in the multiverse due to being made by Source energy - Titans Vol3 #31 and 32.
“Source energy altered the mind of the author and brought his entire world into being.” - Titans Vol3 #33.

The Bleed will allow Mother Blood to extend her influence everywhere: “Kyle Rayner, the only living being to cross beyond the Source Wall. Your knowledge will show me the Bleed space that connects the entire multiverse.” “See how the multiversal secrets I seek are bled from you and inscribed upon the very air? A map of the cosmos, revealing its gateways and points of intersection. This universe is tainted with creatures like you who seek to keep US all under the bootheel of your insane idea of "Justice." well, when I open the cosmic gates, my power can flow to all worlds everywhere. That's real power.” “When you open the doors of the Bleed for me, I will extend that influence to all universes. What the world took from Sonya Tarinka, Mother Blood will take back from unnumbered worlds.” - Titans Vol3 #34.

The Bleed connects everything: “Tidy up in here, Travesty. And see to it our prisoners finish their work unlocking the multiverse. The reign of blood awaits us. When all worlds everywhere will bend to my will”- Titans Vol3 #35.

“She’s forced Kyle and Steel to open a doorway into the bleed." Upon gaining access to the aforementioned Bleed portal, Mother Blood says: “I can see Eternity … And it’s mine. I can see. I can see it all. The power is much more than I ever imagined. I had no idea.” - Titans Vol3 #36.

Of course, no list of Bleed information would be complete without a reference to DC's most important comic book issue: The Bleed is the “nowhere realm between realities” - KFC: Crisis of Infinite Colonels (A legitimate comic published by DC ).

 

[PromptedElephant641]

Rebirth 1C Herald High End Feats

Green Lantern Hal Jordan - 1C (7D) Possibly 1C (8D):

• There is a Multiversal version of the Lantern Corps which of course spans the entire multiverse. The Comic issue is even called “Multi Crisis on Intimate Earths” which is of course a reference to the "Crisis on Infinite Earths" further showing that the entire multiverse is involved as well as the fact that the issue is about Hal Jordan and Carrol Ferris across different Earths - Green Lantern Season Two Vol1 #10. The Central Power Battery is described as a "hyper-object existing across parallel universes and manifold dimensions". The Central Power Batteries are one of many “echos” of "The primary power source” known as "The Golden Lamp" - Green Lantern Season Two Vol1 #11. It is stated that there are countless parallel universes and Hal Jordan charges his ring simultaneously using every battery across the entire multiverse. This seemingly includes all the batteries of Emotional Electromagnetic Spectrum and not just the Green Lantern batteries as the batteries of all the other colors are shown on the following page. By doing this Hal Jordan mends The Golden Lamp Itself and stops and repairs the damage of the Ultrawar, a war in which "everything fights against everything else" - Green Lantern Season Two Vol1 #12.
• This is a 1C (7D) feat, as discussed at great length a few pages back, the total number of timelines making up the temporal half of the mainstream DC multiverse is 1C (7D) in nature and the same is true with the total quantity of quantum offshoot realities making up the spatial half also being 1C (7D). Hal Jordan here managed to charge his Ring at every Battery in the multiverse to mend The Golden Lamp. This feat is actually infinitely high into 7D because each Green lantern Power Battery has a 2A maximum potential on their own.
• Each Green Lantern Power Battery is low-1C in Pre-Crisis continuity, if this is carried over into Post-Crisis Continuity since Green Lantern continuity was not effected by the Crisis on Infinite earths, this would make this feat 1C (8D). See my earlier post on Pre-Crisis Herald Tier characters.
• Lore Side Note: The Golden Lamp may be the Cosmic Grail, the only remnant of Earth-15 after it was destroyed by Superman Prime. Sir Zundernell is the only Golden Lantern and is the custodian of the Cosmic Grail. Given that he is the Golden Lantern, this could mean that The Golden Lamp is the Cosmic Grail. Ultimately it is not clear if this is the case or not, this is a Grant Morrison story so it has multiple interpretations.

The Flash Family - 1C (7D):

• The Flash (Barry Allen) along with the rest of The Flash Family including Wally West used their vibrational powers to integrate Multiverse-1 (The Post-Crisis Multiverse) with Multiverse-2 (The True Pre-Crisis Multiverse) restoring the later and merging the two once and for all - Dark Crisis Vol1 #7.
• This does not need much more elaboration, this is clearly a 1C (7D) feat affecting not just the entirety of the normal Multiverse-1 but Multiverse-2 as well.

Black Adam - 1C (7D):

• Black Adam, who channels The Wizard Shazam's power (who himself channels power from multiple gods), was powerful enough to fight Dark Pariah who had the power of Infinite Earths though he was ultimately being overwhelmed. Even still, he could resist, with great effort, being BFR’d the way the rest of the Justice League and even Dr Multiverse were. (The characters of the DC universe thought Dark Pariah had killed the Justice League, but in reality he sent them away to other worlds). Furthermore, upon yelling Shazam, he knocks out BOTH Dark Pariah and himself ending the fight. He likely would have been erased or BFR’d if he had not done this - Justice League Vol4 #75.
• Black Adam transfers his power to all the other heroes and exorcises the corruption that jumped from Dark Pariah to Deathstroke after the former was defeated. This shows that his first fight against Pariah was not an inconsistency - Dark Crisis Vol1 #7
• These are 1C (7D) feats, he managed to temporarily match Dark Pariah who had the power of infinite worlds (Multiverse-2) and even used his last resort attack to get a mutual KO ending the fight. Then he de-powered Deathstroke who had Dark Pariah's power though he de-powered himself in the process as he transferred his power to protect the other heroes making himself just a normal man.

Dark Pariah / Dark Deathstroke - 1C (7D):

• He has the power to restore Multiverse-2, the original Pre-Crisis Multiverse that he came from.
• He is shown to be comparable though superior to an absolute peak Black Adam and he easily defeated the Justice League and Pariah directly states that none of them can harm him because he has survived the destruction of infinite universes - Justice League Vol4 #75.
• Varies with summoning: Dark Pariah can summon weak variants of any villain that has ever been corrupted by the Darkness including beings like Eclipso, Darkseid, Nekron, The Empty Hand, Neron, and Ares. The versions of these characters he can summon are all incredibly weak compared to their normal depictions. Far higher with darkness corruption: His corruption was spreading to all the multiverses within the Divine Continuum - Flashpoint Beyond Vol1 #3. It is extremely doubtful that he can be scaled any higher since, after he is defeated, Pariah's power and corruption transfers to Deathstroke. Then Black Adam nullifies and removes Deathstroke's power in a pretty short fight by sharing his Shazam powers with everyone making them immune to Deathstroke's ability to corrupt them after yelling "Black Adam" instead of Shazam. This act, as stated, even removes Deathstroke's corruption and power returning him to normal, showing that Dark Pariah is not nearly as powerful as one would think. - Dark Crisis Vol1 #7. This also shows that the power Dark Pariah / Deathstroke wields is quite consistent in its depictions and scale, since in both showings against Black Adam, they are relatively equal. In the first encounter Black Adam was being over powered until he went for the mutual KO. In the second encounter, this time with Deathstroke who has Dark Pariah's power, Black Adam fully believes in himself and is able to depower Deathstroke at the cost of giving up his own powers in the process. Overall, Dark Pariah is NOT at all impressive and the corrupted beings that he controls are stated to be far weaker than their freed normal versions so he does not scale to any of the beings he summons (it is a summoning feat and not an AP feat anyway so he would not scale to them in the first place). He was hyped up by DC as a big deal without demonstrating any impressive feats or even statements to back up the hype. He is the absolute trash tier of Crisis Characters and Dark Crisis was totally pointless, reading Dark Crisis is bad for one's brain.
• Not much elaboration needed here, this is a 7D feat for effecting the entire multiverse.

Doctor Light - Normally 2A far higher with energy absorption, Empowered Form - 1C (7D):

• Under normal circumstances she should be comparable to high end superheroes like powerful Green Lanterns.
• In her empowered form, she wields the light of the infinite worlds of the multiverse - Dark Crisis: The Dark Army Vol1 #1 and Dark Crisis Vol1 #7.
• She helps the Flash Family mend Multiverse-1 and Multiverse-2 - Dark Crisis Vol1 #7.
• Again, not much explanation needed here, this is a 7D feat for having the power of the entire multiverse and assisting in merging multiverse-1 and multiverse-2. She is pretty much the Light version of Dark Pariah.

Superman - 1C (6D) Possibly 1C (8D):

• 1C (6D): Superman beats up Time Trapper Doomsday - Superman Vol6 #23.
• Universal Time Trapper can manipulate then entire 1C (6D) structure of a universe consisting of all timelines.
• 1C (8D): Superman punches out a Weakened Barbatos - Dark Nights: Death Metal Trinity Crisis.
• Barbatos is the master of the Dark Multiverse to which the normal multiverse and its 1C (7D) structure is infinitesimal in comparison, being a mere spot floating on an infinite ocean.
• NOTE: While I have said Superman's feats against Time Trapper Doomsday and Barbatos were outliers, I have since found all these other feats in the same range for other characters making Superman's feats at this level more consistent as the absolute pinnacle of his capabilities.

Who Else Scales to These Feats?:

• At the moment it is not clear who would scale to these because for the majority of them, each character has a varies mechanism it would need to be careful examined on a case by case basis. For several of them it is not even possible for anyone to scale because nobody fought that particular character while they were in their peak state. It goes without saying that these feats represent the peak showing of these characters and not their base state.
• Green lantern's Feat: No body scales to this feat as this was a specific instance of Hal Jordan charging his ring using EVERY Lantern Battery in the entire multiverse. He has not done this since so there is no reason anyone would scale to this. Additionally, he did not fight anyone in this enhanced state.
• The Flash Family Feat: Members of the Flash Family vary up to 1A via the Speed Force so this does not really impact anything due to their varies mechanism. This feat just serves as a mid level bridge between the normal mundane showing of the Flash Family and their absolute peak feats.
• Black Adam's Feat: Black Adam's power level varies based off of how much energy he is channeling from the Wizard Shazam / The Gods that empower him as such, besides members of the Shazam family, nobody scales to this feat.
• Dark Pariah's Feat: Besides Black Adam, nobody else could match Dark Pariah so this does not scale to anyone.
• Doctor Light's Feat: Doctor Lights power varies heavily based on the amount of energy she has absorbed. Additionally, this was a temporary amp after absorbing the light of infinite universes. After Dark Crisis she returned to her normal power levels so nobody scales to her in this state.
• Superman's Feat: Superman holds back heavily on everyone except his strongest opponents and varies depending upon his solar energy charge so not many people would scale to his full capacity. However, there are some characters that clearly do scale and in fact upscale from him such as a version of Darkseid who shrugged off attacks from Prime Earth Superman and Earth-22 Superman at the same time as well as the Earth-22 Justice League without flinching or even being slightly inconvenienced - Batman/Superman: World's Finest Vol1 #24.

 

[Osemere]

Rebirth 1C Herald High End Feats

Green Lantern Hal Jordan - 1C (7D) Possibly 1C (8D):

• There is a Multiversal version of the Lantern Corps which of course spans the entire multiverse. The Comic issue is even called “Multi Crisis on Intimate Earths” which is of course a reference to the "Crisis on Infinite Earths" further showing that the entire multiverse is involved as well as the fact that the issue is about Hal Jordan and Carrol Ferris across different Earths - Green Lantern Season Two Vol1 #10. The Central Power Battery is described as a "hyper-object existing across parallel universes and manifold dimensions". The Central Power Batteries are one of many “echos” of "The primary power source” known as "The Golden Lamp" - Green Lantern Season Two Vol1 #11. It is stated that there are countless parallel universes and Hal Jordan charges his ring simultaneously using every battery across the entire multiverse. This seemingly includes all the batteries of Emotional Electromagnetic Spectrum and not just the Green Lantern batteries as the batteries of all the other colors are shown on the following page. By doing this Hal Jordan mends The Golden Lamp Itself and stops and repairs the damage of the Ultrawar, a war in which "everything fights against everything else" - Green Lantern Season Two Vol1 #12.
• This is a 1C (7D) feat, as discussed at great length a few pages back, the total number of timelines making up the temporal half of the mainstream DC multiverse is 1C (7D) in nature and the same is true with the total quantity of quantum offshoot realities making up the spatial half also being 1C (7D). Hal Jordan here managed to charge his Ring at every Battery in the multiverse to mend The Golden Lamp. This feat is actually infinitely high into 7D because each Green lantern Power Battery has a 2A maximum potential on their own.
• Each Green Lantern Power Battery is low-1C in Pre-Crisis continuity, if this is carried over into Post-Crisis Continuity since Green Lantern continuity was not effected by the Crisis on Infinite earths, this would make this feat 1C (8D). See my earlier post on Pre-Crisis Herald Tier characters.
• Lore Side Note: The Golden Lamp may be the Cosmic Grail, the only remnant of Earth-15 after it was destroyed by Superman Prime. Sir Zundernell is the only Golden Lantern and is the custodian of the Cosmic Grail. Given that he is the Golden Lantern, this could mean that The Golden Lamp is the Cosmic Grail. Ultimately it is not clear if this is the case or not, this is a Grant Morrison story so it has multiple interpretations.

The Flash Family - 1C (7D):

• The Flash (Barry Allen) along with the rest of The Flash Family including Wally West used their vibrational powers to integrate Multiverse-1 (The Post-Crisis Multiverse) with Multiverse-2 (The True Pre-Crisis Multiverse) restoring the later and merging the two once and for all - Dark Crisis Vol1 #7.
• This does not need much more elaboration, this is clearly a 1C (7D) feat affecting not just the entirety of the normal Multiverse-1 but Multiverse-2 as well.

Black Adam - 1C (7D):

• Black Adam, who channels The Wizard Shazam's power (who himself channels power from multiple gods), was powerful enough to fight Dark Pariah who had the power of Infinite Earths though he was ultimately being overwhelmed. Even still, he could resist, with great effort, being BFR’d the way the rest of the Justice League and even Dr Multiverse were. (The characters of the DC universe thought Dark Pariah had killed the Justice League, but in reality he sent them away to other worlds). Furthermore, upon yelling Shazam, he knocks out BOTH Dark Pariah and himself ending the fight. He likely would have been erased or BFR’d if he had not done this - Justice League Vol4 #75.
• Black Adam transfers his power to all the other heroes and exorcises the corruption that jumped from Dark Pariah to Deathstroke after the former was defeated. This shows that his first fight against Pariah was not an inconsistency - Dark Crisis Vol1 #7
• These are 1C (7D) feats, he managed to temporarily match Dark Pariah who had the power of infinite worlds (Multiverse-2) and even used his last resort attack to get a mutual KO ending the fight. Then he de-powered Deathstroke who had Dark Pariah's power though he de-powered himself in the process as he transferred his power to protect the other heroes making himself just a normal man.

Dark Pariah / Dark Deathstroke - 1C (7D):

• He has the power to restore Multiverse-2, the original Pre-Crisis Multiverse that he came from.
• He is shown to be comparable though superior to an absolute peak Black Adam and he easily defeated the Justice League and Pariah directly states that none of them can harm him because he has survived the destruction of infinite universes - Justice League Vol4 #75.
• Varies with summoning: Dark Pariah can summon weak variants of any villain that has ever been corrupted by the Darkness including beings like Eclipso, Darkseid, Nekron, The Empty Hand, Neron, and Ares. The versions of these characters he can summon are all incredibly weak compared to their normal depictions. Hypothetically, but doubtfully, up to High-1A with darkness manipulation: He can call upon the power of the Great Darkness to some degree but this is not really his power and it is up to the Great Darkness to choose to support him and provide him with power or not. It is extremely doubtful that his power extends that high as after he is defeated, Pariah's power and corruption transfers to Deathstroke and Black Adam nullifies this power by sharing his powers with everyone making them immune to Deathstroke's ability to corrupt them after yelling "Black Adam" instead of Shazam. This act even removes the corruption in Deathstroke, showing that Dark Pariah is not nearly as powerful as one would think - Dark Crisis Vol1 #7. Overall, he is NOT at all impressive and the corrupted beings that he controls are stated to be far weaker than their freed normal versions so he does not scale to any of the beings he summons (it is a summoning feat and not an AP feat anyway so he would not scale to them in the first place). He was hyped up by DC as a big deal without demonstrating any impressive feats or even statements to back up the hype. He is the absolute trash tier of Crisis Characters and Dark Crisis was totally pointless, reading Dark Crisis is bad for one's brain.
• Not much elaboration needed here, this is a 7D feat for effecting the entire multiverse.

Doctor Light - Normally 2A far higher with energy absorption, Empowered Form - 1C (7D):

• Under normal circumstances she should be comparable to high end superheroes like powerful Green Lanterns.
• In her empowered form, she wields the light of the infinite worlds of the multiverse - Dark Crisis: The Dark Army Vol1 #1 and Dark Crisis Vol1 #7.
• She helps the Flash Family mend Multiverse-1 and Multiverse-2 - Dark Crisis Vol1 #7.
• Again, not much explanation needed here, this is a 7D feat for having the power of the entire multiverse and assisting in merging multiverse-1 and multiverse-2. She is pretty much the Light version of Dark Pariah.

Superman - 1C (6D) Possibly 1C (8D):

• 1C (6D): Superman beats up Time Trapper Doomsday - Superman Vol6 #23.
• Universal Time Trapper can manipulate then entire 1C (6D) structure of a universe consisting of all timelines.
• 1C (8D): Superman punches out a Weakened Barbatos - Dark Nights: Death Metal Trinity Crisis.
• Barbatos is the master of the Dark Multiverse to which the normal multiverse and its 1C (7D) structure is infinitesimal in comparison, being a mere spot floating on an infinite ocean.
• NOTE: While I have said Superman's feats against Time Trapper Doomsday and Barbatos were outliers, I have since found all these other feats in the same range for other characters making Superman's feats at this level more consistent as the absolute pinnacle of his capabilities.

Who Else Scales to These Feats?:

• At the moment it is not clear who would scale to these because for the majority of them, each character has a varies mechanism it would need to be careful examined on a case by case basis. For several of them it is not even possible for anyone to scale because nobody fought that particular character while they were in their peak state. It goes without saying that these feats represent the peak showing of these characters and not their base state.
• Green lantern's Feat: No body scales to this feat as this was a specific instance of Hal Jordan charging his ring using EVERY Lantern Battery in the entire multiverse. He has not done this since so there is no reason anyone would scale to this. Additionally, he did not fight anyone in this enhanced state.
• The Flash Family Feat: Members of the Flash Family vary up to 1A via the Speed Force so this does not really impact anything due to their varies mechanism. This feat just serves as a mid level bridge between the normal mundane showing of the Flash Family and their absolute peak feats.
• Black Adam's Feat: Black Adam's power level varies based off of how much energy he is channeling from the Wizard Shazam / The Gods that empower him as such, besides members of the Shazam family, nobody scales to this feat.
• Dark Pariah's Feat: Besides Black Adam, nobody else could match Dark Pariah so this does not scale to anyone.
• Doctor Light's Feat: Doctor Lights power varies heavily based on the amount of energy she has absorbed. Additionally, this was a temporary amp after absorbing the light of infinite universes. After Dark Crisis she returned to her normal power levels so nobody scales to her in this state.
• Superman's Feat: Superman holds back heavily on everyone except his strongest opponents and varies depending upon his solar energy charge so not many people would scale to his full capacity. However, there are some characters that clearly do scale and in fact upscale from him such as a version of Darkseid who shrugged off attacks from Prime Earth Superman and Earth-22 Superman at the same time as well as the Earth-22 Justice League without flinching or even being slightly inconvenienced - Batman/Superman: World's Finest Vol1 #24.

Where are you getting 1C from?

 

[PromptedElephant641]

Where are you getting 1C from?

I made a 10,000+ word post back on page 161 of this discussion as referenced in the post. In summary:
For the Temporal Half: 1C (7D)
A single universe has a timeline, said timeline contains an uncountably infinite number of points.
At each point in the timeline an infinite number of timelines are made.
In turn in each of those infinite timelines, at each point an infinite number of timelines is made. This process goes on into infinity. Infinity^Infinity is equivalent to aleph-1 (low-1C).
In summary there are uncountably infinite timelines created for each point in the timeline which is low-1C for each point.
Since there are uncountably infinite points in a universe's timeline and there are uncountably infinite divergent timelines produced at each point, each universe is 1C (6D) in its entirety for the total number of timelines.
The multiverse itself contains uncountably infinite universes as such the total number of timelines in the multiverse is 7D.

For the Spatial Half: 1C (7D)
The spatial half works in the exact same manner as the temporal half, except instead of timelines, they are quantum offshoot universes.

This only applies to characters that can destroy or manipulate the ENTIRE multiverse. If a character is stated to be able to manipulate infinite realities such as the Red King, or Green lanterns when doing the trial of WillWorld as shown in Pre-Flashpoint Continuity, this is only a 2A feat. Characters like the universal form of the Time Trapper can manipulate ALL of the timelines of a universe as such he would be 1C (6D). A character like Dark Pariah has the power of Multiverse-1 (the Pre-Crisis Multiverse) which is 1C (7D) in nature.

 

[Hecky2222]

I made a 10,000+ word post back on page 161 of this discussion as referenced in the post. In summary:
For the Temporal Half: 1C (7D)
A single universe has a timeline, said timeline contains an uncountably infinite number of points.
At each point in the timeline an infinite number of timelines are made.
In turn in each of those infinite timelines, at each point an infinite number of timelines is made. This process goes on into infinity. Infinity^Infinity is equivalent to aleph-1 (low-1C).
In summary there are uncountably infinite timelines created for each point in the timeline which is low-1C for each point.
Since there are uncountably infinite points in a universe's timeline and there are uncountably infinite divergent timelines produced at each point, each universe is 1C (6D) in its entirety for the total number of timelines.
The multiverse itself contains uncountably infinite universes as such the total number of timelines in the multiverse is 7D.

For the Spatial Half: 1C (7D)
The spatial half works in the exact same manner as the temporal half, except instead of timelines, they are quantum offshoot universes.

This only applies to characters that can destroy or manipulate the ENTIRE multiverse. If a character is stated to be able to manipulate infinite realities such as the Red King, or Green lanterns when doing the trial of WillWorld as shown in Pre-Flashpoint Continuity, this is only a 2A feat. Characters like the universal form of the Time Trapper can manipulate ALL of the timelines of a universe as such he would be 1C (6D). A character like Dark Pariah has the power of Multiverse-1 (the Pre-Crisis Multiverse) which is 1C (7D) in nature.

at this point you could make user blog with each scans and explanations

 

[Osemere]

I made a 10,000+ word post back on page 161 of this discussion as referenced in the post. In summary:
For the Temporal Half: 1C (7D)
A single universe has a timeline, said timeline contains an uncountably infinite number of points.
At each point in the timeline an infinite number of timelines are made.
In turn in each of those infinite timelines, at each point an infinite number of timelines is made. This process goes on into infinity. Infinity^Infinity is equivalent to aleph-1 (low-1C).
In summary there are uncountably infinite timelines created for each point in the timeline which is low-1C for each point.
Since there are uncountably infinite points in a universe's timeline and there are uncountably infinite divergent timelines produced at each point, each universe is 1C (6D) in its entirety for the total number of timelines.
The multiverse itself contains uncountably infinite universes as such the total number of timelines in the multiverse is 7D.

For the Spatial Half: 1C (7D)
The spatial half works in the exact same manner as the temporal half, except instead of timelines, they are quantum offshoot universes.

This only applies to characters that can destroy or manipulate the ENTIRE multiverse. If a character is stated to be able to manipulate infinite realities such as the Red King, or Green lanterns when doing the trial of WillWorld as shown in Pre-Flashpoint Continuity, this is only a 2A feat. Characters like the universal form of the Time Trapper can manipulate ALL of the timelines of a universe as such he would be 1C (6D). A character like Dark Pariah has the power of Multiverse-1 (the Pre-Crisis Multiverse) which is 1C (7D) in nature.

wouldn’t that be 2^aleph_1 or H1-B+?

 

[PromptedElephant641]

wouldn’t that be 2^aleph_1 or H1-B+?

No. Uncountably infinite universes is a low-1C 5D structure. An uncountably infinite number of 5D structures is 6D and an uncountably infinite number of 6D structures is 7D and so on.

 

[KirbyFan03]

Where are you getting 1C from?

He made a thing above with a lot of words

It makes sense so give it a read

 

[Elizio33]

Good stuff. Here is a few more things:

The Bleed is “the space between worlds in the multiverse.” - Justice League Incarnate Vol1 #3.

“This is the Bleed. It's been described as an ocean, a river, a place between places I'm still learning it, but it's a way of getting from one place to another … … and it's the one place I can be away from the prying eyes of the monitors.”- Ion Vol1 #10.

This goes along with the fact that the Monitors admit that they can see everything everywhere but the Bleed is beyond their vision - Countdown to Final Crisis Vol1 #39.
(You already have this but have the wrong citation. I use Read_All_Comics because the way it indexes comics is more efficient than Read_Comics_Online by keeping all issues from one title in one place and organizing them by volume number. Unfortunately, this ONE panel (https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/U...y_solved?file=Dimensional_space_Countdown.jpg) was left out of issue 39, so I read through all 52 issues of Countdown trying to find it, thinking I must have been mistaken, but I did not find it. Thinking I must have missed it, I read through it again but still did not find it. Then I did some reverse image searches but I did not find any matches. Now thinking I must be going insane I uploaded the picture to Chat GPT which for once was actually useful and asked it to find that panel, and surprisingly it found a review of the comic back from when it was published confirming that it was in issue 39. So I decided to check Read_Comics_Online this time and it was actually there )

“The Bleed is something Else. It is the interstitial void that exists between realities. The medium between multiversal continua.” - Titans Vol3 #32.

The Bleed connects to everything, even Unearth, a fictional world made real by Source energy, that has been removed from the multiverse and is described as being entirely separate as well as being the closest thing to Eden in the multiverse due to being made by Source energy - Titans Vol3 #31 and 32.
“Source energy altered the mind of the author and brought his entire world into being.” - Titans Vol3 #33.

The Bleed will allow Mother Blood to extend her influence everywhere: “Kyle Rayner, the only living being to cross beyond the Source Wall. Your knowledge will show me the Bleed space that connects the entire multiverse.” “See how the multiversal secrets I seek are bled from you and inscribed upon the very air? A map of the cosmos, revealing its gateways and points of intersection. This universe is tainted with creatures like you who seek to keep US all under the bootheel of your insane idea of "Justice." well, when I open the cosmic gates, my power can flow to all worlds everywhere. That's real power.” “When you open the doors of the Bleed for me, I will extend that influence to all universes. What the world took from Sonya Tarinka, Mother Blood will take back from unnumbered worlds.” - Titans Vol3 #34.

The Bleed connects everything: “Tidy up in here, Travesty. And see to it our prisoners finish their work unlocking the multiverse. The reign of blood awaits us. When all worlds everywhere will bend to my will”- Titans Vol3 #35.

“She’s forced Kyle and Steel to open a doorway into the bleed." Upon gaining access to the aforementioned Bleed portal, Mother Blood says: “I can see Eternity … And it’s mine. I can see. I can see it all. The power is much more than I ever imagined. I had no idea.” - Titans Vol3 #36.

Of course, no list of Bleed information would be complete without a reference to DC's most important comic book issue: The Bleed is the “nowhere realm between realities” - KFC: Crisis of Infinite Colonels (A legitimate comic published by DC ).

Oh thank you! I was looking for the comics about Mother Blood. To paraphrase all of this:

The Bleed is the interdimensional, interstitial medium between and around realities, accessible only through higher-dimensional traversal. It contains all brane universes within the Orrery of Worlds and extend beyond them to connect other Multiverses across the Divine Continuum. Acting as a connective substrate, it binds together all layers of reality while interfacing with higher dimensions, notably with the Fifth Dimension. It exists outside conventional space and time and is described as a void of immense scale, so vast that even advanced observation from Monitor technology struggles to fully interpret it. It is composed of the Ultramenstruum, a fundamental life-essence associated with the Monitors, who utilize it as a source of sustenance and power. Additionally, the Bleed is sometimes framed in meta-fictional terms, likened to the space surrounding and sustaining the narrative.

If we take the last sentence literally, the Bleed could be a jump to 1-A! For those wondering, this quote comes from the blog dedicated to Morrison's cosmology, and more specifically from the scan describing the Bleed as a page outside the comic book. I know we should be very careful about such a statement, which should not always be taken literally, but still, hehe.

 

[KirbyFan03]

Oh thank you! I was looking for the comics about Mother Blood. To paraphrase all of this:

The Bleed is the interdimensional, interstitial medium between and around realities, accessible only through higher-dimensional traversal. It contains all brane universes within the Orrery of Worlds and extend beyond them to connect other Multiverses across thr Divine Continuum. Acting as a connective substrate, it binds together all layers of reality while interfacing with higher dimensions, notably with the Fifth Dimension. It exists outside conventional space and time and is described as a void of immense scale, so vast that even advanced observation from Monitor technology struggles to fully interpret it. It is composed of the Ultramenstruum, a fundamental life-essence associated with the Monitors, who utilize it as a source of sustenance and power. Additionally, the Bleed is sometimes framed in meta-fictional terms, likened to the space surrounding the narrative.

If we take the last sentence literally, the Bleed could be a jump to 1-A! For those wondering, this quote comes from the blog dedicated to Morrison's cosmology, and more specifically from the scan describing the Bleed as a page outside the comic book. I know we should be very careful about such a statement, which should not always be taken literally, but still, hehe.

Now do High 1-A Godsphere XD

 

[Elizio33]

Now do High 1-A Godsphere XD

Well, if we combine that with how it connects and interacts with the Fifth Dimension and how the Bleed-drinking Mandrakk feeds directly on the very life of the story, it's possible for a High 1-A upgrade for the Sphere of the Gods !

 

[PromptedElephant641]

Now do High 1-A Godsphere XD

I will eventually get to this but not for a long time and probably not in the way you think. Avatars (any depiction of a New God depicted in the material plane or outside of the two God worlds of Apokolips and New Genesis) have feats that range up to 1 layer into 1A but are typically in the Superhuman range. The Emanation form (any depiction of a New God as shown in the two god worlds in their appearances outside of physical reality are 2 layers into 1A). The Godheads themselves (the abstraction, the theme, and the very concept that each New God represents is baseline High-1A).

 

[Elizio33]

The Monitors also have a representation that supports High 1-A, not only because they are superior to the gods and their true essence, but also because they are thoughts of the Source/Overvoid itself. Nowadays, this is attributed to the Light of Creation, but the Light itself is the manifest aspect of The Source. The Monitor Brothers were "rent" from the Overvoid into flesh by Perpetua, but since the Hands draw upon the energies of The Source to shape the Multiverses, it would not be an exaggeration to say that such an act was authorized by The Source itself. Here again, we could reinterpret this as being the Light, which would be more logical.

 

[ExcelsisBerny]

For those wondering, this quote comes from the blog dedicated to Morrison's cosmology, and more specifically from the scan describing the Bleed as a page outside the comic book

Tbh I don't think that statement would entail a 1-A necessarily. Trivializing something as a drawing or comic is an extremely common way of explaining normal higher-dimensional differences.

 

[Elizio33]

Tbh I don't think that statement would entail a 1-A necessarily. Trivializing something as a drawing or comic is an extremely common way of explaining normal higher-dimensional differences.

Yes, I know, that's why I said that such a statement should not always be taken literally. However, given how it connects and interacts with the Fifth Dimension and how the Bleed-drinking Mandrakk feeds directly on the life of the story itself, it would have been a good possibility. I was just saying that.

 

[PromptedElephant641]

Tbh I don't think that statement would entail a 1-A necessarily. Trivializing something as a drawing or comic is an extremely common way of explaining normal higher-dimensional differences.

That was just being used as further evidence. The Bleed was already unanimously approved to scale to the Fifth Dimension (https://vsbattles.com/threads/bleed-is-5d-dc-comics.161991/); however, this was never updated or made clear on the DC Cosmology page. Elizio33 and I have just been elaborating on the nature of the Bleed and its relationship with other realms to better flesh out the Bleed section of the DC Cosmology page by collecting a bunch of statements on it.

 

[Hecky2222]

That was just being used as further evidence. The Bleed was already unanimously approved to scale to the Fifth Dimension (https://vsbattles.com/threads/bleed-is-5d-dc-comics.161991/); however, this was never updated or made clear on the DC Cosmology page. Elizio33 and I have just been elaborating on the nature of the Bleed and its relationship with other realms to better flesh out the Bleed section of the DC Cosmology page by collecting a bunch of statements on it.

Link doesn't work.

I don't remember Bleed being approved to scale to Fifth Dimension, but if so. I don't see reason why everyone else would get upscaled rather than just Bleed(Since Fifth Dimension is automatically higher than lot hierarchies in DC Map)

 

[PromptedElephant641]

Link doesn't work.

I don't remember Bleed being approved to scale to Fifth Dimension, but if so. I don't see reason why everyone else would get upscaled rather than just Bleed(Since Fifth Dimension is automatically higher than lot hierarchies in DC Map)

I don't know why the link doesn't work as I just copied and pasted the URL, but here it is again maybe you can open it this time? If not you can probably just search for it.

Bleed is 5D (DC Comics)

i know there is a reason on why the bleed isn't 5D but i just can't find it so i'll post this Bleed The Bleed, also called Bleedspace and Hyperspace, is a dimension that can only be conventionally accessed by moving up through higher dimensions[41]. It is the dimension that contains all...

vsbattles.com

Nobody really scales to the Bleed to begin with so this does not impact anyone; however, it is one of the most important components of DC comics cosmology so it is important to have more information on it especially as the current section in the Cosmology Blog is kind of lackluster and could use work. Furthermore, the Bleed exists between and around the levels, planes, dimensions, universes, realities, timelines, and realms of DC so if someone were to effect the Bleed it would only scale to their level of reality nothing more. So there is no upscaling for any characters or any alterations to any profiles on the wiki. This investigation into the Bleed, at the moment, is to gather more information about it not to upgrade any characters.

 

[Frankky123]

That would never get approved though AND it would not be consistent. I guess Rebirth Superman could be 2A possibly low-1C. If his feat against Imperiex Prime was done without the amp from Kismet then he would have some low-1C/1C feats but unfortunately she was doing the heavy lifting there.

Captain Atoms profile is pretty good for DC profile standards, but it is still missing a lot of stuff. In fact at his full capacity, Captain Atom is FAR beyond Sphere of the Gods level. The thing with Superman Prime One Million is another problem as he is the mainstream Superman in the 853 millennium so he is the exact same guy but more powerful in the future yet he couldn't beat monarch 1v1. The other thing is that both Monarch and Superman Prime One Million DIE to COLD????! which is a massive inconsistency and anti feat for both of them as both characters are immune to temperature. The comic does not portray EITHER Superman or Captain Atom particularly well. All in All DC KO was not well written particularly this issue and the one with Wonder Woman where she is allowed to cheat and have back up allies (what kind of writing is that?). I have Tier justification for Superman prime One Million that I have worked on that I will eventually post. Superman can scale to or above Hank Hall Monarch, but Countdown Monarch absolutely Mogs every version of Superman.

Where does Countdown Monarch scale to

 

[KirbyFan03]

Where does Countdown Monarch scale to

Above The Monitors

 

[PromptedElephant641]

Where does Countdown Monarch scale to

I have since changed my stance on Rebirth Superman, he is likely in the 1C (6D) - scaling to the Time Trapper up to 1C (8D) range - scaling to Barbatos (scroll up to the top of page 166 for more info).

As for Countdown Monarch, he scales above Superman Prime as well as the Monitors:

BASE (Superboy Prime) - varies up to at least low-1C: Comparable to silver age Pre-Crisis Superman at the start of his time with super powers but would become much stronger and demonstrate far greater feats, even when not using rage power, than Pre-Crisis Superman ever did. Additionally, he seemingly metabolizes yellow sun (and other energies) far faster than any other version of Superman. He is far faster than even Golden Age Superman who like the Post Crisis Superman, has no chance of keeping up with him - Infinite Crisis Vol1 #7. He easily overpowered the combine efforts of The Green Lantern Corps during Infinite Crisis. In most of his appearances he is seen taking on a massive number of heroes and frequently is shown blitzing even Wally West - Tales of the Sinestro Corps: Superman-Prime #1. He defeats Ion empowered Sodam Yat - Green Lantern Corps Vol2 #18. In almost all of his appearances he is seen effortlessly overpowering a massive number of heroes and sometimes villains as well and is never really challenged. During the Sinestro Corps War he even flew through and finished off the weakened Anti-Monitor who’s armor had been damaged (he had not fully reformed after the Crisis on Infinite Earths and as such was already pretty weak to begin with) throwing him into space where he would eventually land on the planet Ryut in Sector-666 where it would become the power source of the Black Lantern Corps - Green Lantern Vol4 #25, 42. His only weakness is Red Sun radiation as kryptonite from any universe other than Earth-Prime does not effect him. Additionally, the Krypton from Earth-Prime was engulfed by its Sun Rao as such there was never any Kryptonite produced. He is also, for some reason, immune to magic. Just getting near Superboy-Prime overloaded Parasite, actually touching him would kill him - Dark Nights: Death Metal The Secret Origin #1. Likely 1C (6D - 8D): was completely unfazed by an attack from Mordru who commands most of the magic in the universe during the 30th century and had absorbed all of the magic of Earth-247 - Final Crisis: Legion of 3 Worlds #2. Mordru is directly comparable to the Time Trapper as Mordru is his greatest rival. Superboy is immune to magic and doesn’t even feel anything from an enraged Black Adam and effortlessly knocks him out with a single punch - Infinite Crisis Vol1 #6. He could even absorb magic and use it to revert the Shazam Family back to their normal forms. He could easily blitz Shazam (who is now the Wizard himself) and Black Adam - Shazam Vol3 #14. He could out speed, while punching, Wally, Bart, and Jay Garrick at the same time - Teen Titans Vol3 #32. He is even unaffected by the Angel Zauriel’s magic sword which can cut through all bonds and even “non-material” entities - Infinite Crisis Vol1 #7, JLA Vol1 #1,000,000. He should be far stronger than Rebirth Superman - Superman Vol6. Possibly 1A: The Flashes exhausted the entire Speed Force to imprison Superboy Prime in it - Infinite Crisis Vol1 #4. Later he escaped from the Speed Force and the Flash states that they (the Flash Family) could not hold him there - Infinite Crisis Vol1 #5. It is revealed that the Flashes kept Superboy Prime under Red Sunlight yet he still found a way to escape - Infinite Crisis Vol1 #6. Bart Allen had to absorb the entire Speed Force to catch up with him - The Flash: The Fastest Man Alive Vol1 #6. Up to High-1A with rage power: During moments of extreme anger or emotional impact Superboy Prime gains access to an entirely greater level of power where he is capable of manipulating reality itself with pure strength alone. He is considered by Thomas Wayne of the Flashpoint Universe to be capable of manipulating reality alongside beings like the Anti-Monitor, Darkseid, and Barry Allen (though it was really Dr Manhattan that caused the effects of the Flashpoint that eliminated 10 years of history from Post-Crisis and not Barry) - Flashpoint Beyond Vol1 #2. Superboy Prime demonstrates his reality warping power in the Infinite Crisis with the (in)famous retcon punch - Infinite Crisis Secret Files and Origins #1, Batman Vol1 Annual #25, The New History of the DC Universe Vol1 #3. When he escaped the Phantom Zone by shattering it - Teen Titans Vol3 #32. When he is shown manipulating time and Hypertime with his punches in order to travel through them - Superman Vol6 #29,30. When he has a mental break down briefly reverting to villainy and kills a villain and but undoes this with a punch - Superman Vol6 #36. When he punches through Multiversal Barriers to reach the Marvel Multiverse to go on adventures with Spider-Man. While there he shows that he can choose which Marvel Comic issue he wants to travel to and can do this by pure punching strength alone - DC/Marvel: Superman/Spider-Man #1. When he destroys the Crisis worlds during Death Metal. The Crisis Worlds contained a world where he, Superboy prime, won Infinite Crisis, Darkseid won The Final Crisis, and the Anti Monitor won The Crisis on Infinite Earths - Dark Nights: Death Metal Vol1 #4. He destroys the Darkest Knight’s Multiverse (the last 52). He beat up and defeated Crisis Energy amped Darkest Knight and could have killed him and taken his power. He would have done so if not for the presence of Krypto convincing him to take a different path. The Darkest Knight admits that he can’t kill Superboy prime. While the darkest knight says that prime cannot kill him, this is clearly not the case as prime literally beat down the darkest knight and was going to kill him and take his power - Dark Nights: Death Metal The Secret Origin #1. The Batman Who Laughs / The Darkest Knight has a history of hyperbolic and incorrect statements in relation to his power levels and of course out of self preservation it would be in his best interest to say that Superboy Prime cannot kill him. Superboy Prime, his metafictional reality manipulating strength and his fourth wall breaking powers are likely all connected. One likely causes the other, though it is impossible to say which causes which. Remember in the words of Superboy Prime himself: “I’m a power scaler’s dream.” - Superman Vol6 #32. He is also fully aware of how powerful he is and what people say about him online as shown in several of his appearances.

FULL CAPACITY (Superman Prime) - High-1A: Superman Prime is incomprehensibly superior to his normal self. He is physically aged up by his power-up and as such is made visibly much larger and much more muscular. He tears a hole in the fabric of Fifth Dimension and forcefully rips Mr Mxyzptlk out so quickly that Miss Gsptlsnz, his wife who was walking next to him, doesn’t even see it happen and only notices that he has disappeared due to the hole torn in the Fifth Dimension into the Bleed - Countdown to Final Crisis Vol1 #31. He tortures Mxyzptlk and when he won’t give him what he wanted (bringing back Earth-Prime) he was going to kill him. Mr Mxyzptlk flees into the Bleed back to the Fifth Dimension in terror from Superman Prime - Countdown to Final Crisis Vol1 #23. Upon returning home, full of panic and fear, he states he never wants to return to the third dimension again and tells his wife they need to seal off the Fifth Dimension forever: “Seal!! Seal the Dimension off! The F-Fifth Dimension! Seal it off! He’s there! He is … the End! I can never go back there!”. Mr Mxyzptlk has never shown such terrror throughout all of his appearances in DC comics, even during the Emperor Joker Storyline when he accidentally gave up 99% of his powers. Mr Mxyzptlk was genuinely scared out of his mind by Superman Prime - Countdown to Final Crisis Vol1 #22. Superman Prime is shown to be able to freely fly through the multiverse during his rampage throughout reality and can even fly and rip through the fabric the Fifth Dimension itself - Countdown to Final Crisis Vol1 #31. He states that he will rip apart the entire multiverse to find his home - Countdown to Final Crisis Vol1 #24. He is even referred to as the beast by the monitors and Nix Uotan, the Monitor of Earth-51, loses hope when he realizes that Superman Prime is in his universe and will fight Monarch which will of course result in it being destroyed. There is nothing the Monitors can do to prevent this - Countdown to Final Crisis Vol1 #13. High-1A with rage power: far greater than in his base form as Superboy Prime. While completely berserk and more enraged and insane than he has ever been (Superman Prime is already the most insane, angry, and bloodthirsty version of the character to begin with), due to Monitor Solomon telling him that Monarch is destroying his perfect home [(Earth-Prime) (Superboy Prime’s entire rationale as a villain is that he misses his home universe and wants it back thereby removing the immoral Post Crisis Universes and characters, returning to the purity of good versus evil as depicted in Pre-Crisis Continuity)], he fights Monarch but expends all of his built up energy in the process. Ultimately Superman Prime was unable to actually damage Monarch and instead ends the fight by ripping open Monarch's radiation containment suit destroying the universe in the process - Countdown to Final Crisis Vol1 #13. The explosion instantly sends Prime into the Timestream where he is found by the Time Trapper as shown in Final Crisis: Legion of Three Worlds. His exposure to the Timestream is how he becomes the Time Trapper in the first place.
NOTE: The alternate reality Zatanna was NOT neutralizing Mr Mxyzptlk’s power as some people have erroneously claimed. She was there to prevent Mr Mxyzptlk from teleporting away not to depower him. She would not have been able to neutralize his powers anyway as such a feat would be far far beyond her capacity. Superman Prime explicitly states that Mr Mxyzptlk has the strongest magic of anyone he is aware of. Furthermore, Mr Mxyzptlk is completely terrified of Superman Prime and flees in terror into the Bleed to get back to the Fifth Dimension. He is so traumatized that he doesn’t want to ever come back to the third dimension. Saying he must never go back. Though eventually he makes a psychological recovery and does return to third dimensional mischief. Given how time works in the Fifth Dimension, this could have taken thousands of years perhaps even an eternity, in relation to the main universe, for him to return to his normal self. As much of a nuisance as he is, Mr Mxyzptlk did not deserve the abuse that he received here.

Time Trapper Superboy Prime - 1C (6D): He should have all of the power and abilities of the Time Trapper. He does not seem to possess the powers he had in his youth to warp reality and he never demonstrates any feats impressive feats. He is a calmer and smarter version of his normal self so he seemingly no longer has access to his rage power. All in all he doesn’t demonstrate the impressive feats of either Superboy Prime or the Time Trapper which is disappointing. In fact, he gets knocked out by a few legionnaires and Superman which is a massive outlier for the Time Trapper as well as base form Superboy Prime. As the Time Trapper he should be just as powerful as any other version as they are all the exact same entity not merely an individual taking on an alias or mantle. All in all he is an unimpressive version of Superboy Prime. This version gets erased after Superboy Prime from the present touches him thereby removing his future self from existence through the paradox.

 

[Osemere]

I have since changed my stance on Rebirth Superman, he is likely in the 1C (6D) - scaling to the Time Trapper up to 1C (8D) range - scaling to Barbatos (scroll up to the top of page 166 for more info).

As for Countdown Monarch, he scales above Superman Prime as well as the Monitors:

BASE (Superboy Prime) - varies up to at least low-1C: Comparable to silver age Pre-Crisis Superman at the start of his time with super powers but would become much stronger and demonstrate far greater feats, even when not using rage power, than Pre-Crisis Superman ever did. Additionally, he seemingly metabolizes yellow sun (and other energies) far faster than any other version of Superman. He is far faster than even Golden Age Superman who like the Post Crisis Superman, has no chance of keeping up with him - Infinite Crisis Vol1 #7. He easily overpowered the combine efforts of The Green Lantern Corps during Infinite Crisis. In most of his appearances he is seen taking on a massive number of heroes and frequently is shown blitzing even Wally West - Tales of the Sinestro Corps: Superman-Prime #1. He defeats Ion empowered Sodam Yat - Green Lantern Corps Vol2 #18. In almost all of his appearances he is seen effortlessly overpowering a massive number of heroes and sometimes villains as well and is never really challenged. During the Sinestro Corps War he even flew through and finished off the weakened Anti-Monitor who’s armor had been damaged (he had not fully reformed after the Crisis on Infinite Earths and as such was already pretty weak to begin with) throwing him into space where he would eventually land on the planet Ryut in Sector-666 where it would become the power source of the Black Lantern Corps - Green Lantern Vol4 #25, 42. His only weakness is Red Sun radiation as kryptonite from any universe other than Earth-Prime does not effect him. Additionally, the Krypton from Earth-Prime was engulfed by its Sun Rao as such there was never any Kryptonite produced. He is also, for some reason, immune to magic. Just getting near Superboy-Prime overloaded Parasite, actually touching him would kill him - Dark Nights: Death Metal The Secret Origin #1. Likely 1C (6D - 8D): was completely unfazed by an attack from Mordru who commands most of the magic in the universe during the 30th century and had absorbed all of the magic of Earth-247 - Final Crisis: Legion of 3 Worlds #2. Mordru is directly comparable to the Time Trapper as Mordru is his greatest rival. Superboy is immune to magic and doesn’t even feel anything from an enraged Black Adam and effortlessly knocks him out with a single punch - Infinite Crisis Vol1 #6. He could even absorb magic and use it to revert the Shazam Family back to their normal forms. He could easily blitz Shazam (who is now the Wizard himself) and Black Adam - Shazam Vol3 #14. He could out speed, while punching, Wally, Bart, and Jay Garrick at the same time - Teen Titans Vol3 #32. He is even unaffected by the Angel Zauriel’s magic sword which can cut through all bonds and even “non-material” entities - Infinite Crisis Vol1 #7, JLA Vol1 #1,000,000. He should be far stronger than Rebirth Superman - Superman Vol6. Possibly 1A: The Flashes exhausted the entire Speed Force to imprison Superboy Prime in it - Infinite Crisis Vol1 #4. Later he escaped from the Speed Force and the Flash states that they (the Flash Family) could not hold him there - Infinite Crisis Vol1 #5. It is revealed that the Flashes kept Superboy Prime under Red Sunlight yet he still found a way to escape - Infinite Crisis Vol1 #6. Bart Allen had to absorb the entire Speed Force to catch up with him - The Flash: The Fastest Man Alive Vol1 #6. Up to High-1A with rage power: During moments of extreme anger or emotional impact Superboy Prime gains access to an entirely greater level of power where he is capable of manipulating reality itself with pure strength alone. He is considered by Thomas Wayne of the Flashpoint Universe to be capable of manipulating reality alongside beings like the Anti-Monitor, Darkseid, and Barry Allen (though it was really Dr Manhattan that caused the effects of the Flashpoint that eliminated 10 years of history from Post-Crisis and not Barry) - Flashpoint Beyond Vol1 #2. Superboy Prime demonstrates his reality warping power in the Infinite Crisis with the (in)famous retcon punch - Infinite Crisis Secret Files and Origins #1, Batman Vol1 Annual #25, The New History of the DC Universe Vol1 #3. When he escaped the Phantom Zone by shattering it - Teen Titans Vol3 #32. When he is shown manipulating time and Hypertime with his punches in order to travel through them - Superman Vol6 #29,30. When he has a mental break down briefly reverting to villainy and kills a villain and but undoes this with a punch - Superman Vol6 #36. When he punches through Multiversal Barriers to reach the Marvel Multiverse to go on adventures with Spider-Man. While there he shows that he can choose which Marvel Comic issue he wants to travel to and can do this by pure punching strength alone - DC/Marvel: Superman/Spider-Man #1. When he destroys the Crisis worlds during Death Metal. The Crisis Worlds contained a world where he, Superboy prime, won Infinite Crisis, Darkseid won The Final Crisis, and the Anti Monitor won The Crisis on Infinite Earths - Dark Nights: Death Metal Vol1 #4. He destroys the Darkest Knight’s Multiverse (the last 52). He beat up and defeated Crisis Energy amped Darkest Knight and could have killed him and taken his power. He would have done so if not for the presence of Krypto convincing him to take a different path. The Darkest Knight admits that he can’t kill Superboy prime. While the darkest knight says that prime cannot kill him, this is clearly not the case as prime literally beat down the darkest knight and was going to kill him and take his power - Dark Nights: Death Metal The Secret Origin #1. The Batman Who Laughs / The Darkest Knight has a history of hyperbolic and incorrect statements in relation to his power levels and of course out of self preservation it would be in his best interest to say that Superboy Prime cannot kill him. Superboy Prime, his metafictional reality manipulating strength and his fourth wall breaking powers are likely all connected. One likely causes the other, though it is impossible to say which causes which. Remember in the words of Superboy Prime himself: “I’m a power scaler’s dream.” - Superman Vol6 #32. He is also fully aware of how powerful he is and what people say about him online as shown in several of his appearances.

FULL CAPACITY (Superman Prime) - High-1A: Superman Prime is incomprehensibly superior to his normal self. He is physically aged up by his power-up and as such is made visibly much larger and much more muscular. He tears a hole in the fabric of Fifth Dimension and forcefully rips Mr Mxyzptlk out so quickly that Miss Gsptlsnz, his wife who was walking next to him, doesn’t even see it happen and only notices that he has disappeared due to the hole torn in the Fifth Dimension into the Bleed - Countdown to Final Crisis Vol1 #31. He tortures Mxyzptlk and when he won’t give him what he wanted (bringing back Earth-Prime) he was going to kill him. Mr Mxyzptlk flees into the Bleed back to the Fifth Dimension in terror from Superman Prime - Countdown to Final Crisis Vol1 #23. Upon returning home, full of panic and fear, he states he never wants to return to the third dimension again and tells his wife they need to seal off the Fifth Dimension forever: “Seal!! Seal the Dimension off! The F-Fifth Dimension! Seal it off! He’s there! He is … the End! I can never go back there!”. Mr Mxyzptlk has never shown such terrror throughout all of his appearances in DC comics, even during the Emperor Joker Storyline when he accidentally gave up 99% of his powers. Mr Mxyzptlk was genuinely scared out of his mind by Superman Prime - Countdown to Final Crisis Vol1 #22. Superman Prime is shown to be able to freely fly through the multiverse during his rampage throughout reality and can even fly and rip through the fabric the Fifth Dimension itself - Countdown to Final Crisis Vol1 #31. He states that he will rip apart the entire multiverse to find his home - Countdown to Final Crisis Vol1 #24. He is even referred to as the beast by the monitors and Nix Uotan, the Monitor of Earth-51, loses hope when he realizes that Superman Prime is in his universe and will fight Monarch which will of course result in it being destroyed. There is nothing the Monitors can do to prevent this - Countdown to Final Crisis Vol1 #13. High-1A with rage power: far greater than in his base form as Superboy Prime. While completely berserk and more enraged and insane than he has ever been (Superman Prime is already the most insane, angry, and bloodthirsty version of the character to begin with), due to Monitor Solomon telling him that Monarch is destroying his perfect home [(Earth-Prime) (Superboy Prime’s entire rationale as a villain is that he misses his home universe and wants it back thereby removing the immoral Post Crisis Universes and characters, returning to the purity of good versus evil as depicted in Pre-Crisis Continuity)], he fights Monarch but expends all of his built up energy in the process. Ultimately Superman Prime was unable to actually damage Monarch and instead ends the fight by ripping open Monarch's radiation containment suit destroying the universe in the process - Countdown to Final Crisis Vol1 #13. The explosion instantly sends Prime into the Timestream where he is found by the Time Trapper as shown in Final Crisis: Legion of Three Worlds. His exposure to the Timestream is how he becomes the Time Trapper in the first place.
NOTE: The alternate reality Zatanna was NOT neutralizing Mr Mxyzptlk’s power as some people have erroneously claimed. She was there to prevent Mr Mxyzptlk from teleporting away not to depower him. She would not have been able to neutralize his powers anyway as such a feat would be far far beyond her capacity. Superman Prime explicitly states that Mr Mxyzptlk has the strongest magic of anyone he is aware of. Furthermore, Mr Mxyzptlk is completely terrified of Superman Prime and flees in terror into the Bleed to get back to the Fifth Dimension. He is so traumatized that he doesn’t want to ever come back to the third dimension. Saying he must never go back. Though eventually he makes a psychological recovery and does return to third dimensional mischief. Given how time works in the Fifth Dimension, this could have taken thousands of years perhaps even an eternity, in relation to the main universe, for him to return to his normal self. As much of a nuisance as he is, Mr Mxyzptlk did not deserve the abuse that he received here.

Time Trapper Superboy Prime - 1C (6D): He should have all of the power and abilities of the Time Trapper. He does not seem to possess the powers he had in his youth to warp reality and he never demonstrates any feats impressive feats. He is a calmer and smarter version of his normal self so he seemingly no longer has access to his rage power. All in all he doesn’t demonstrate the impressive feats of either Superboy Prime or the Time Trapper which is disappointing. In fact, he gets knocked out by a few legionnaires and Superman which is a massive outlier for the Time Trapper as well as base form Superboy Prime. As the Time Trapper he should be just as powerful as any other version as they are all the exact same entity not merely an individual taking on an alias or mantle. All in all he is an unimpressive version of Superboy Prime. This version gets erased after Superboy Prime from the present touches him thereby removing his future self from existence through the paradox.

Recommend this page made by a former mod here, we can possibly import it given his consent like the Marvel supporters did with his Moon Knight profile:

https://all-fiction-battles.fandom.com/wiki/Superboy-Prime

 

[PromptedElephant641]

That profile on all fiction battles is a really good resource for adding powers to Superboy Prime’s awful page on this wiki, but other than that it is quite convoluted. Superboy Prime only needs three keys: His normal state key, his enhanced Countdown key, and as Time Trapper.

 

[Osemere]

That profile on all fiction battles is a really good resource for adding powers to Superboy Prime’s awful page on this wiki, but other than that it is quite convoluted. Superboy Prime only needs three keys: His normal state key, his enhanced Countdown key, and as Time Trapper.

Agree, but I can imagine it was made just to be exhaustive. Also should be updated with some of his new abilities showcased in Williamson’s use of him.

 

[PromptedElephant641]

Considering how big of a deal Superboy Prime has been in the DC power scaling space, I am quite surprised that his profile is in the state that it is. It is pretty much been in the same state for a decade.

 

[Frankky123]

Considering how big of a deal Superboy Prime has been in the DC power scaling space, I am quite surprised that his profile is in the state that it is. It is pretty much been in the same state for a decade.

Don’t forget that SBP is actually capable to affect the fifth dimension. This isn’t just his own claim but Mxyzptlk confirmed it, which makes it far more valid.

 

[PromptedElephant641]

Was there actually a statement by Mr Mxyzptlk? Not that it is needed given what I provided above, but if there is such a statement I would like to see it as I don’t believe I have seen that or perhaps I overlooked it somehow. Even in his base form, when he is using his rage power, he is capable of killing the Darkest Knight. Superboy Prime just is that guy. He is HIM.

 

[Frankky123]

Was there actually a statement by Mr Mxyzptlk? Not that it is needed given what I provided above, but if there is such a statement I would like to see it as I don’t believe I have seen that or perhaps I overlooked it somehow. Even in his base form, when he is using his rage power, he is capable of killing the Darkest Knight. Superboy Prime just is that guy. He is HIM.

It does, i have it on my first post in vsb

 

[Tarcaver]

Considering how big of a deal Superboy Prime has been in the DC power scaling space, I am quite surprised that his profile is in the state that it is. It is pretty much been in the same state for a decade.

The justification for not including the Darkest Knight feat is honestly super bad, it tries in the same breath to dishonestly argue that he's not even planet level which is super hilarious.

He can do stuff like this casually but sure bro, he needs help for a planetary feat.

 

[Frankky123]

Was there actually a statement by Mr Mxyzptlk? Not that it is needed given what I provided above, but if there is such a statement I would like to see it as I don’t believe I have seen that or perhaps I overlooked it somehow. Even in his base form, when he is using his rage power, he is capable of killing the Darkest Knight. Superboy Prime just is that guy. He is HIM.

Here

HI, I think Superboy should have plot manipulation ability & higher tier

There is author's statement saying everyone on earth prime is able to affect reality like the writer which is plot manipulation because earth prime described as a metafiction world also in infinite crisis when Alexander luthor of earth 3 looking for earth prime, he performed a 4th wall feat similiar to Thought Robot in Final Crisis Beyond #2, and superboy prime said realities is a comic page (2). In Earth Prime there is a DC Comics Tower where there is Julie Schwartz (Script editor), Cary Bates & Elliot (Both this are writer) they are representations of real people btw, you can search their names. And this is the ability of writer, Julie(editor)talks about :

Cary Bates was imagining the plot for the next issue and it really happened in reality. "I started dreaming up a plot for my next flash yarn". He chose Trickster as the villain and it actually happened in reality. He did it all just with his mind and happened.

that's why Superboy Prime changed Imaginary Stories Reject after he hit it. The reason he said it was imaginary stories reject because it was a story made by Darkest Knight with the crisis energy which is a stories that never would have been allowed to be real before, same description with stories from Lucien Library which is an impossible story to happen and made from horror of human heart(1)(2)(Impossible Volume) & Crisis Energy is explained to be born from the bad side of humans (we are the batteries for the crisis energy and its opposite) such as greed, selfishness, predation & human desire to be big. This suggests that Crisis Energy is the source of the stories within Lucien's Library, which explains why The Darkest Knight can made them into reality.

Superboy prime new scale :

He tortured mxzptlk and made him scared even with his magic returned (IMP TO MAGIC RETURN) and shouted to seal off the fifth dimension and said superboy prime is the end, even with his powered fifth dimension friends there. It implies superboy capable to affect fifth dimension. In death metal prime also destroyed world of Godhood darkseid with a punch.

 

[Frankky123]

Above The Monitors

Im really confused with those "emanation" or "avatar" things

 

[KirbyFan03]

Im really confused with those "emanation" or "avatar" things

Elephant views emanations as New Gods within the Godworlds which are separate from main reality

He considered avatars the emanations that go through boomtubes to enter baseline reality/main universe

 

[Frankky123]

I have since changed my stance on Rebirth Superman, he is likely in the 1C (6D) - scaling to the Time Trapper up to 1C (8D) range - scaling to Barbatos (scroll up to the top of page 166 for more info).

As for Countdown Monarch, he scales above Superman Prime as well as the Monitors:

BASE (Superboy Prime) - varies up to at least low-1C: Comparable to silver age Pre-Crisis Superman at the start of his time with super powers but would become much stronger and demonstrate far greater feats, even when not using rage power, than Pre-Crisis Superman ever did. Additionally, he seemingly metabolizes yellow sun (and other energies) far faster than any other version of Superman. He is far faster than even Golden Age Superman who like the Post Crisis Superman, has no chance of keeping up with him - Infinite Crisis Vol1 #7. He easily overpowered the combine efforts of The Green Lantern Corps during Infinite Crisis. In most of his appearances he is seen taking on a massive number of heroes and frequently is shown blitzing even Wally West - Tales of the Sinestro Corps: Superman-Prime #1. He defeats Ion empowered Sodam Yat - Green Lantern Corps Vol2 #18. In almost all of his appearances he is seen effortlessly overpowering a massive number of heroes and sometimes villains as well and is never really challenged. During the Sinestro Corps War he even flew through and finished off the weakened Anti-Monitor who’s armor had been damaged (he had not fully reformed after the Crisis on Infinite Earths and as such was already pretty weak to begin with) throwing him into space where he would eventually land on the planet Ryut in Sector-666 where it would become the power source of the Black Lantern Corps - Green Lantern Vol4 #25, 42. His only weakness is Red Sun radiation as kryptonite from any universe other than Earth-Prime does not effect him. Additionally, the Krypton from Earth-Prime was engulfed by its Sun Rao as such there was never any Kryptonite produced. He is also, for some reason, immune to magic. Just getting near Superboy-Prime overloaded Parasite, actually touching him would kill him - Dark Nights: Death Metal The Secret Origin #1. Likely 1C (6D - 8D): was completely unfazed by an attack from Mordru who commands most of the magic in the universe during the 30th century and had absorbed all of the magic of Earth-247 - Final Crisis: Legion of 3 Worlds #2. Mordru is directly comparable to the Time Trapper as Mordru is his greatest rival. Superboy is immune to magic and doesn’t even feel anything from an enraged Black Adam and effortlessly knocks him out with a single punch - Infinite Crisis Vol1 #6. He could even absorb magic and use it to revert the Shazam Family back to their normal forms. He could easily blitz Shazam (who is now the Wizard himself) and Black Adam - Shazam Vol3 #14. He could out speed, while punching, Wally, Bart, and Jay Garrick at the same time - Teen Titans Vol3 #32. He is even unaffected by the Angel Zauriel’s magic sword which can cut through all bonds and even “non-material” entities - Infinite Crisis Vol1 #7, JLA Vol1 #1,000,000. He should be far stronger than Rebirth Superman - Superman Vol6. Possibly 1A: The Flashes exhausted the entire Speed Force to imprison Superboy Prime in it - Infinite Crisis Vol1 #4. Later he escaped from the Speed Force and the Flash states that they (the Flash Family) could not hold him there - Infinite Crisis Vol1 #5. It is revealed that the Flashes kept Superboy Prime under Red Sunlight yet he still found a way to escape - Infinite Crisis Vol1 #6. Bart Allen had to absorb the entire Speed Force to catch up with him - The Flash: The Fastest Man Alive Vol1 #6. Up to High-1A with rage power: During moments of extreme anger or emotional impact Superboy Prime gains access to an entirely greater level of power where he is capable of manipulating reality itself with pure strength alone. He is considered by Thomas Wayne of the Flashpoint Universe to be capable of manipulating reality alongside beings like the Anti-Monitor, Darkseid, and Barry Allen (though it was really Dr Manhattan that caused the effects of the Flashpoint that eliminated 10 years of history from Post-Crisis and not Barry) - Flashpoint Beyond Vol1 #2. Superboy Prime demonstrates his reality warping power in the Infinite Crisis with the (in)famous retcon punch - Infinite Crisis Secret Files and Origins #1, Batman Vol1 Annual #25, The New History of the DC Universe Vol1 #3. When he escaped the Phantom Zone by shattering it - Teen Titans Vol3 #32. When he is shown manipulating time and Hypertime with his punches in order to travel through them - Superman Vol6 #29,30. When he has a mental break down briefly reverting to villainy and kills a villain and but undoes this with a punch - Superman Vol6 #36. When he punches through Multiversal Barriers to reach the Marvel Multiverse to go on adventures with Spider-Man. While there he shows that he can choose which Marvel Comic issue he wants to travel to and can do this by pure punching strength alone - DC/Marvel: Superman/Spider-Man #1. When he destroys the Crisis worlds during Death Metal. The Crisis Worlds contained a world where he, Superboy prime, won Infinite Crisis, Darkseid won The Final Crisis, and the Anti Monitor won The Crisis on Infinite Earths - Dark Nights: Death Metal Vol1 #4. He destroys the Darkest Knight’s Multiverse (the last 52). He beat up and defeated Crisis Energy amped Darkest Knight and could have killed him and taken his power. He would have done so if not for the presence of Krypto convincing him to take a different path. The Darkest Knight admits that he can’t kill Superboy prime. While the darkest knight says that prime cannot kill him, this is clearly not the case as prime literally beat down the darkest knight and was going to kill him and take his power - Dark Nights: Death Metal The Secret Origin #1. The Batman Who Laughs / The Darkest Knight has a history of hyperbolic and incorrect statements in relation to his power levels and of course out of self preservation it would be in his best interest to say that Superboy Prime cannot kill him. Superboy Prime, his metafictional reality manipulating strength and his fourth wall breaking powers are likely all connected. One likely causes the other, though it is impossible to say which causes which. Remember in the words of Superboy Prime himself: “I’m a power scaler’s dream.” - Superman Vol6 #32. He is also fully aware of how powerful he is and what people say about him online as shown in several of his appearances.

FULL CAPACITY (Superman Prime) - High-1A: Superman Prime is incomprehensibly superior to his normal self. He is physically aged up by his power-up and as such is made visibly much larger and much more muscular. He tears a hole in the fabric of Fifth Dimension and forcefully rips Mr Mxyzptlk out so quickly that Miss Gsptlsnz, his wife who was walking next to him, doesn’t even see it happen and only notices that he has disappeared due to the hole torn in the Fifth Dimension into the Bleed - Countdown to Final Crisis Vol1 #31. He tortures Mxyzptlk and when he won’t give him what he wanted (bringing back Earth-Prime) he was going to kill him. Mr Mxyzptlk flees into the Bleed back to the Fifth Dimension in terror from Superman Prime - Countdown to Final Crisis Vol1 #23. Upon returning home, full of panic and fear, he states he never wants to return to the third dimension again and tells his wife they need to seal off the Fifth Dimension forever: “Seal!! Seal the Dimension off! The F-Fifth Dimension! Seal it off! He’s there! He is … the End! I can never go back there!”. Mr Mxyzptlk has never shown such terrror throughout all of his appearances in DC comics, even during the Emperor Joker Storyline when he accidentally gave up 99% of his powers. Mr Mxyzptlk was genuinely scared out of his mind by Superman Prime - Countdown to Final Crisis Vol1 #22. Superman Prime is shown to be able to freely fly through the multiverse during his rampage throughout reality and can even fly and rip through the fabric the Fifth Dimension itself - Countdown to Final Crisis Vol1 #31. He states that he will rip apart the entire multiverse to find his home - Countdown to Final Crisis Vol1 #24. He is even referred to as the beast by the monitors and Nix Uotan, the Monitor of Earth-51, loses hope when he realizes that Superman Prime is in his universe and will fight Monarch which will of course result in it being destroyed. There is nothing the Monitors can do to prevent this - Countdown to Final Crisis Vol1 #13. High-1A with rage power: far greater than in his base form as Superboy Prime. While completely berserk and more enraged and insane than he has ever been (Superman Prime is already the most insane, angry, and bloodthirsty version of the character to begin with), due to Monitor Solomon telling him that Monarch is destroying his perfect home [(Earth-Prime) (Superboy Prime’s entire rationale as a villain is that he misses his home universe and wants it back thereby removing the immoral Post Crisis Universes and characters, returning to the purity of good versus evil as depicted in Pre-Crisis Continuity)], he fights Monarch but expends all of his built up energy in the process. Ultimately Superman Prime was unable to actually damage Monarch and instead ends the fight by ripping open Monarch's radiation containment suit destroying the universe in the process - Countdown to Final Crisis Vol1 #13. The explosion instantly sends Prime into the Timestream where he is found by the Time Trapper as shown in Final Crisis: Legion of Three Worlds. His exposure to the Timestream is how he becomes the Time Trapper in the first place.
NOTE: The alternate reality Zatanna was NOT neutralizing Mr Mxyzptlk’s power as some people have erroneously claimed. She was there to prevent Mr Mxyzptlk from teleporting away not to depower him. She would not have been able to neutralize his powers anyway as such a feat would be far far beyond her capacity. Superman Prime explicitly states that Mr Mxyzptlk has the strongest magic of anyone he is aware of. Furthermore, Mr Mxyzptlk is completely terrified of Superman Prime and flees in terror into the Bleed to get back to the Fifth Dimension. He is so traumatized that he doesn’t want to ever come back to the third dimension. Saying he must never go back. Though eventually he makes a psychological recovery and does return to third dimensional mischief. Given how time works in the Fifth Dimension, this could have taken thousands of years perhaps even an eternity, in relation to the main universe, for him to return to his normal self. As much of a nuisance as he is, Mr Mxyzptlk did not deserve the abuse that he received here.

Time Trapper Superboy Prime - 1C (6D): He should have all of the power and abilities of the Time Trapper. He does not seem to possess the powers he had in his youth to warp reality and he never demonstrates any feats impressive feats. He is a calmer and smarter version of his normal self so he seemingly no longer has access to his rage power. All in all he doesn’t demonstrate the impressive feats of either Superboy Prime or the Time Trapper which is disappointing. In fact, he gets knocked out by a few legionnaires and Superman which is a massive outlier for the Time Trapper as well as base form Superboy Prime. As the Time Trapper he should be just as powerful as any other version as they are all the exact same entity not merely an individual taking on an alias or mantle. All in all he is an unimpressive version of Superboy Prime. This version gets erased after Superboy Prime from the present touches him thereby removing his future self from existence through the paradox.

Oh, the Superman Prime you wrote here is actually Superboy-Prime, I didn’t realize it before

 

[Frankky123]

Elephant views emanations as New Gods within the Godworlds which are separate from main reality

He considered avatars the emanations that go through boomtubes to enter baseline reality/main universe

So, The monitors in physical reality are not an emanation or avatar, thats why monarch scale above the monitors?